Anonymous
04/29/2021 16:00
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And if you watch SB meetings, last Fall, Lisa Stengle hinted strongly that an option program may be moved "North of Lee Highway." So my prediction is that Tuckahoe or Nottingham aren't long for the world either. North North Arlington schools will become overcrowded like the rest of the county.
There was no hinting. The proposal specifically identified Discovery, Jamestown, Nottingham, Taylor and Tuckahoe as schools to be considered as potential option sites in the future to provide capacity on the western end of Columbia Pile, and also specifically identified Campbell and Claremont as option schools to evaluate moving north.
And it totally makes sense that discovery Nottingham or Tuckahoe would be used as an option school, since they have overlapping walk boundaries and are all under populated. One of the big push backs is that more kids would have to be bussed up there.
My prediction is that poor Campbell will move to N. Arlington. Discovery may make the most sense for an expeditionary school to move to because it has woods and focuses on green space already, but it will probably be Tuckahoe. Claremont will probably move to Carlin Springs to ease up space for Abington, and the poor Carlin Springs kids will move to Campbell, the one school that isn't walkable for most of its population.
When the original school moves proposal was put out, it included Campbell and Carlin Springs in addition to Key, ATS and McKinley. Kadera saw all of this, and that's where her arguments came from. She wasn't trying to throw other schools under the bus.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 15:26
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:And if you watch SB meetings, last Fall, Lisa Stengle hinted strongly that an option program may be moved "North of Lee Highway." So my prediction is that Tuckahoe or Nottingham aren't long for the world either. North North Arlington schools will become overcrowded like the rest of the county.
There was no hinting. The proposal specifically identified Discovery, Jamestown, Nottingham, Taylor and Tuckahoe as schools to be considered as potential option sites in the future to provide capacity on the western end of Columbia Pile, and also specifically identified Campbell and Claremont as option schools to evaluate moving north.
And it totally makes sense that discovery Nottingham or Tuckahoe would be used as an option school, since they have overlapping walk boundaries and are all under populated. One of the big push backs is that more kids would have to be bussed up there.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 15:23
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:And if you watch SB meetings, last Fall, Lisa Stengle hinted strongly that an option program may be moved "North of Lee Highway." So my prediction is that Tuckahoe or Nottingham aren't long for the world either. North North Arlington schools will become overcrowded like the rest of the county.
There was no hinting. The proposal specifically identified Discovery, Jamestown, Nottingham, Taylor and Tuckahoe as schools to be considered as potential option sites in the future to provide capacity on the western end of Columbia Pile, and also specifically identified Campbell and Claremont as option schools to evaluate moving north.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 15:18
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:She was kind of right, though. There aren't enough kids up in that Northern quadrant to fill the seats, leaving the schools up there underenrolled, while Glebe and McKinley and Ashlawn continue to be overenrolled. I thought the point was that if you take away one of the neighborhood schools near McKinley, the new school at Reed wasn't ultimately going to solve the McKinley/Glebe/Ashlawn overcapacity problem because you would just be moving a full cup from one site to another, while Jamestown etc. remained underenrolled as per usual because not enough kids were getting bused up there (and never have been).
Like, she's not wrong about that. And I understand people didn't want two neighborhood schools there near McKinley because they want capacity relief too. In the end, though, Reed is going to be a smaller school than McKinley was, with no room for trailers like McKinley had (!), so the overage is going to have to go somewhere and you can bet it's not going to be Nottingham and Jamestown.
Not to go through all this again. But she had a point and it wasn't "hey let's bring back de facto segregation" but more like "please don't oversubscribe my school again after severely, severely overscribing them repeatedly for the past 10 years."
That could have been fixed through a comprehensive boundary review. The problem is that APS instead decided to punt on the issue and do the bare minimum necessary to open Reed and move option schools.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 14:15
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She was kind of right, though. There aren't enough kids up in that Northern quadrant to fill the seats, leaving the schools up there underenrolled, while Glebe and McKinley and Ashlawn continue to be overenrolled. I thought the point was that if you take away one of the neighborhood schools near McKinley, the new school at Reed wasn't ultimately going to solve the McKinley/Glebe/Ashlawn overcapacity problem because you would just be moving a full cup from one site to another, while Jamestown etc. remained underenrolled as per usual because not enough kids were getting bused up there (and never have been).
Like, she's not wrong about that. And I understand people didn't want two neighborhood schools there near McKinley because they want capacity relief too. In the end, though, Reed is going to be a smaller school than McKinley was, with no room for trailers like McKinley had (!), so the overage is going to have to go somewhere and you can bet it's not going to be Nottingham and Jamestown.
Not to go through all this again. But she had a point and it wasn't "hey let's bring back de facto segregation" but more like "please don't oversubscribe my school again after severely, severely overscribing them repeatedly for the past 10 years."
That ignores the fact that you can push planning units north - some of Discovery is moved to Jamestown, some of Glebe and Cardinal can go to Nottingham and Discovery, etc. McKinley sent tons of emails asking to be moved en masse instead of rezoning for this fall, so they kind of brought the overcrowding in 2021 on themselves.
I mean, yeah the Board sure can in theory, but Jamestown has been undersubscribed for a decade or more so wrf actually? Every time the Board played musical chairs with the extra kids and tried to redistribute enrollment, some of the northern schools were mysteriously left out of the game or let off the hook at the last minute, so am I ignoring that fact or just acknowledging reality?
Anonymous
04/29/2021 14:03
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She was kind of right, though. There aren't enough kids up in that Northern quadrant to fill the seats, leaving the schools up there underenrolled, while Glebe and McKinley and Ashlawn continue to be overenrolled. I thought the point was that if you take away one of the neighborhood schools near McKinley, the new school at Reed wasn't ultimately going to solve the McKinley/Glebe/Ashlawn overcapacity problem because you would just be moving a full cup from one site to another, while Jamestown etc. remained underenrolled as per usual because not enough kids were getting bused up there (and never have been).
Like, she's not wrong about that. And I understand people didn't want two neighborhood schools there near McKinley because they want capacity relief too. In the end, though, Reed is going to be a smaller school than McKinley was, with no room for trailers like McKinley had (!), so the overage is going to have to go somewhere and you can bet it's not going to be Nottingham and Jamestown.
Not to go through all this again. But she had a point and it wasn't "hey let's bring back de facto segregation" but more like "please don't oversubscribe my school again after severely, severely overscribing them repeatedly for the past 10 years."
That ignores the fact that you can push planning units north - some of Discovery is moved to Jamestown, some of Glebe and Cardinal can go to Nottingham and Discovery, etc. McKinley sent tons of emails asking to be moved en masse instead of rezoning for this fall, so they kind of brought the overcrowding in 2021 on themselves.
And if you watch SB meetings, last Fall, Lisa Stengle hinted strongly that an option program may be moved "North of Lee Highway." So my prediction is that Tuckahoe or Nottingham aren't long for the world either. North North Arlington schools will become overcrowded like the rest of the county.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 13:45
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:She was kind of right, though. There aren't enough kids up in that Northern quadrant to fill the seats, leaving the schools up there underenrolled, while Glebe and McKinley and Ashlawn continue to be overenrolled. I thought the point was that if you take away one of the neighborhood schools near McKinley, the new school at Reed wasn't ultimately going to solve the McKinley/Glebe/Ashlawn overcapacity problem because you would just be moving a full cup from one site to another, while Jamestown etc. remained underenrolled as per usual because not enough kids were getting bused up there (and never have been).
Like, she's not wrong about that. And I understand people didn't want two neighborhood schools there near McKinley because they want capacity relief too. In the end, though, Reed is going to be a smaller school than McKinley was, with no room for trailers like McKinley had (!), so the overage is going to have to go somewhere and you can bet it's not going to be Nottingham and Jamestown.
Not to go through all this again. But she had a point and it wasn't "hey let's bring back de facto segregation" but more like "please don't oversubscribe my school again after severely, severely overscribing them repeatedly for the past 10 years."
That ignores the fact that you can push planning units north - some of Discovery is moved to Jamestown, some of Glebe and Cardinal can go to Nottingham and Discovery, etc. McKinley sent tons of emails asking to be moved en masse instead of rezoning for this fall, so they kind of brought the overcrowding in 2021 on themselves.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 13:35
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
She was kind of right, though. There aren't enough kids up in that Northern quadrant to fill the seats, leaving the schools up there underenrolled, while Glebe and McKinley and Ashlawn continue to be overenrolled. I thought the point was that if you take away one of the neighborhood schools near McKinley, the new school at Reed wasn't ultimately going to solve the McKinley/Glebe/Ashlawn overcapacity problem because you would just be moving a full cup from one site to another, while Jamestown etc. remained underenrolled as per usual because not enough kids were getting bused up there (and never have been).
Like, she's not wrong about that. And I understand people didn't want two neighborhood schools there near McKinley because they want capacity relief too. In the end, though, Reed is going to be a smaller school than McKinley was, with no room for trailers like McKinley had (!), so the overage is going to have to go somewhere and you can bet it's not going to be Nottingham and Jamestown.
Not to go through all this again. But she had a point and it wasn't "hey let's bring back de facto segregation" but more like "please don't oversubscribe my school again after severely, severely overscribing them repeatedly for the past 10 years."
Like, she's not wrong about that. And I understand people didn't want two neighborhood schools there near McKinley because they want capacity relief too. In the end, though, Reed is going to be a smaller school than McKinley was, with no room for trailers like McKinley had (!), so the overage is going to have to go somewhere and you can bet it's not going to be Nottingham and Jamestown.
Not to go through all this again. But she had a point and it wasn't "hey let's bring back de facto segregation" but more like "please don't oversubscribe my school again after severely, severely overscribing them repeatedly for the past 10 years."
Anonymous
04/29/2021 10:54
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
I think she needs help. So does EHN and a few other frequent posters.
EHN doesn't even really know what she's fighting for anymore. She just wants to win.
Is there really a point to MT running anymore? There aren't going to be more days this school year. It's almost May FFS. APE is getting what they want for the fall. What else she got?
I’ll vote for her just because I remember how Kadera handled the school moves. I suspect I’m not the only one.
What happened?
DP. Kadera, in her capacity as McKinley PTA president, tried to throw a number of other schools under the bus when APS set its sights on McKinley as an option site. In doing so, she also argued that roads like Lee Highway are some kind of uncrossable barrier to school zones, which is problematic since that mindset has fed into the continuing geographic (and thus racial/FARMS) segregation in Arlington schools.
I don’t think this is exactly true, otherwise the NES ride or die couple wouldn’t be willing to overlook this, even to keep MT off the SB. I think she was bound, as the McKinley PTA Pres, to bring forward questions and concerns from members of the PTA community, McCrazy included. I think it was an appropriate question whether or not the analysis APS did of which school in the NW quadrant should become an option took into account walkability, etc. If the idea was that option schools should be on sites that don’t lend themselves to walking, which is what APS was saying, asking which of the schools in that quadrant is the least walkable wasn’t because she believes in segregation. It’s what APS was saying was a determining factor. Of course, what wound up being the real determining factor was that the Reed school and McKinley had the largest overlap of walk zones, and the students would primarily be coming from that school. It was easier and more palatable for APS to just move the administration and staff from McK to the new school since the majority of kids would be drawn from the old McK boundary.
DP. I don't know who you are referring to as the "NES ride or die" couple, and I've had kids at Nottingham this whole time (but won't when the boundaries go into effect next year, so I had no personal stake in that boundary process).
The part I think pp was referring to isn't the focus on "walkability," it was her repeated insistence that putting an option school at McKinley rather than Nottingham or Tuckahoe would result in too many seats in the NW quadrant north of Lee Highway, as if students couldn't possibly be bused across Lee Highway to those schools (never mind that they already are and have been for years). I doubt Mary Kadera was thinking about the implications of her arguments for broader school segregation issues, but her rhetoric was very consistent with it in a way that I found troubling.
Anonymous
04/29/2021 09:14
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
I think she needs help. So does EHN and a few other frequent posters.
EHN doesn't even really know what she's fighting for anymore. She just wants to win.
Is there really a point to MT running anymore? There aren't going to be more days this school year. It's almost May FFS. APE is getting what they want for the fall. What else she got?
I’ll vote for her just because I remember how Kadera handled the school moves. I suspect I’m not the only one.
What happened?
DP. Kadera, in her capacity as McKinley PTA president, tried to throw a number of other schools under the bus when APS set its sights on McKinley as an option site. In doing so, she also argued that roads like Lee Highway are some kind of uncrossable barrier to school zones, which is problematic since that mindset has fed into the continuing geographic (and thus racial/FARMS) segregation in Arlington schools.
I don’t think this is exactly true, otherwise the NES ride or die couple wouldn’t be willing to overlook this, even to keep MT off the SB. I think she was bound, as the McKinley PTA Pres, to bring forward questions and concerns from members of the PTA community, McCrazy included. I think it was an appropriate question whether or not the analysis APS did of which school in the NW quadrant should become an option took into account walkability, etc. If the idea was that option schools should be on sites that don’t lend themselves to walking, which is what APS was saying, asking which of the schools in that quadrant is the least walkable wasn’t because she believes in segregation. It’s what APS was saying was a determining factor. Of course, what wound up being the real determining factor was that the Reed school and McKinley had the largest overlap of walk zones, and the students would primarily be coming from that school. It was easier and more palatable for APS to just move the administration and staff from McK to the new school since the majority of kids would be drawn from the old McK boundary.
Anonymous
04/28/2021 20:44
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
I think she needs help. So does EHN and a few other frequent posters.
EHN doesn't even really know what she's fighting for anymore. She just wants to win.
Is there really a point to MT running anymore? There aren't going to be more days this school year. It's almost May FFS. APE is getting what they want for the fall. What else she got?
I’ll vote for her just because I remember how Kadera handled the school moves. I suspect I’m not the only one.
What happened?
DP. Kadera, in her capacity as McKinley PTA president, tried to throw a number of other schools under the bus when APS set its sights on McKinley as an option site. In doing so, she also argued that roads like Lee Highway are some kind of uncrossable barrier to school zones, which is problematic since that mindset has fed into the continuing geographic (and thus racial/FARMS) segregation in Arlington schools.
Anonymous
04/28/2021 20:37
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
I have no idea who this is - are they in AEM??
Never mind, I understand.
Anonymous
04/28/2021 20:36
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
I have no idea who this is - are they in AEM??
Anonymous
04/28/2021 18:39
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
This is truly bonkers. What if her kid gets the placebo???? Just stay in virtual!
It’s amazing the things people put on social media.
Anonymous
04/28/2021 18:36
Subject: APS - Elementary school -who is opting for virtual in 2021/22
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:VL has lost it, now she says she's looking for a vaccine trial for her child. Now? This is what pushed her to do that?
This is truly bonkers. What if her kid gets the placebo???? Just stay in virtual!
Actually, those in the placebo trial get the vaccine after the trial is over. Months before everyone else. I signed my kid up too, but I’m sure there’s a lot of people in line, so not holding my breath.
I tried to get in a trial last summer, and I would gladly sign my kids up for one (with their assent). But the reality is, roughly half the HS population can get vaccinated TODAY in Arlington, 12-15 year olds are coming soon (all of HS, roughly half to 2/3 of MS), and case counts are rapidly dropping. Back to where they were last summer, when we decided to be #OneAPS and make everyone stay virtual. But, I digress. I think things will look dramatically better by the fall, whether or not all kids are vaccinated.