Anonymous
04/13/2021 14:33
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Potter resigned.
And: so did the police chief. That seems like an admission that he was making stuff up when he said she reached for the wrong weapon.
Now there has to be a full open investigation into her conduct. That both quit tells me they know she acted negligently and incompetently in the execution of her sworn duty. She’s probably hoping that by resigning she can be exempt from the consequences.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 14:28
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
I guess they don't want asian hate to be the focus... Ughhh tired of us asians getting shafted by aa
Anonymous
04/13/2021 14:22
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Potter resigned.
And: so did the police chief. That seems like an admission that he was making stuff up when he said she reached for the wrong weapon.
And: so did the police chief. That seems like an admission that he was making stuff up when he said she reached for the wrong weapon.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 13:11
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: This is horrible we all know this.
The officer involved is a 26 year veteran. One would think she would know the difference between her taser and her gun. A gun weighs more. It would have felt very different to her even in the heat of the moment.
I highly doubt the officer woke up this morning deciding to kill someone. She needed better training and this is negligent manslaughter. A "senior" member of the department should know the difference between a gun and a taser.
Whatever this man did prior to getting killed is not the issue. Anyone who thinks so is wrong.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Second degree manslaughter in Minnesota still requires a conscious decision to take an unreasonable risk. What was that conscious decision? You seem to agree that the video suggests she thought she pulled out her taser.
I'm sure the officer can tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But any time you're put in a stressful and potentially dangerous situation, there's going to be a risk of making a mistake. That's what seemed to happen here. That doesn't make it OK. But it doesn't necessarily make her criminally responsible for a homicide, either.
There is enough for you probable cause. I’d like to see her arrested and forced to go through the process at the very least.
Great example. No she would not. She may have to go to a hearing in front of senior officer but I would not expect punishment except it would be in her file and she would never be promoted and likely would leave. Same thing that is going to happen here.
There is no basis for that. None.
And it would be completely sexist.
she shot a man. If she was in the army, she'd already be facing court martial, but civilian police forces cling to the belief that there is even a such thing as an accidental discharge
I don't think you know what a court martial is.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 13:05
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: This is horrible we all know this.
The officer involved is a 26 year veteran. One would think she would know the difference between her taser and her gun. A gun weighs more. It would have felt very different to her even in the heat of the moment.
I highly doubt the officer woke up this morning deciding to kill someone. She needed better training and this is negligent manslaughter. A "senior" member of the department should know the difference between a gun and a taser.
Whatever this man did prior to getting killed is not the issue. Anyone who thinks so is wrong.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Second degree manslaughter in Minnesota still requires a conscious decision to take an unreasonable risk. What was that conscious decision? You seem to agree that the video suggests she thought she pulled out her taser.
I'm sure the officer can tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But any time you're put in a stressful and potentially dangerous situation, there's going to be a risk of making a mistake. That's what seemed to happen here. That doesn't make it OK. But it doesn't necessarily make her criminally responsible for a homicide, either.
There is enough for you probable cause. I’d like to see her arrested and forced to go through the process at the very least.
a military criminal trial where accidentally firing a weapon is not an available defense because there is an assumed responsibility for someone holding a weapon
There is no basis for that. None.
And it would be completely sexist.
she shot a man. If she was in the army, she'd already be facing court martial, but civilian police forces cling to the belief that there is even a such thing as an accidental discharge
I don't think you know what a court martial is.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 13:01
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: This is horrible we all know this.
The officer involved is a 26 year veteran. One would think she would know the difference between her taser and her gun. A gun weighs more. It would have felt very different to her even in the heat of the moment.
I highly doubt the officer woke up this morning deciding to kill someone. She needed better training and this is negligent manslaughter. A "senior" member of the department should know the difference between a gun and a taser.
Whatever this man did prior to getting killed is not the issue. Anyone who thinks so is wrong.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Second degree manslaughter in Minnesota still requires a conscious decision to take an unreasonable risk. What was that conscious decision? You seem to agree that the video suggests she thought she pulled out her taser.
I'm sure the officer can tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But any time you're put in a stressful and potentially dangerous situation, there's going to be a risk of making a mistake. That's what seemed to happen here. That doesn't make it OK. But it doesn't necessarily make her criminally responsible for a homicide, either.
There is enough for you probable cause. I’d like to see her arrested and forced to go through the process at the very least.
There is no basis for that. None.
And it would be completely sexist.
she shot a man. If she was in the army, she'd already be facing court martial, but civilian police forces cling to the belief that there is even a such thing as an accidental discharge
I don't think you know what a court martial is.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:50
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.
Thx for weighing in, always nice to get knowledgeable opinions.
Cop who investigates police shootings here.
It was a mistake, she did not “intend” to shoot him. But she did not follow police procedures (keep tazer on opposite side of body) and her neglect caused a death. Procedures are in place so these things don’t happen.
That is a crime.
Do we know that she claims to have had the tazer on the same side of her body as the gun (/admits to violating the procedure regs)? I hadn't seen that as of last night.
It seems relevant because if these weapons were on the opposite sides of her body, it's a lot harder to accept the proposition that this was a non-culpable mistake. It would be more like "accidentally" driving on the left instead of the right on a US street--doesn't make sense.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:48
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.
Thx for weighing in, always nice to get knowledgeable opinions.
Cop who investigates police shootings here.
It was a mistake, she did not “intend” to shoot him. But she did not follow police procedures (keep tazer on opposite side of body) and her neglect caused a death. Procedures are in place so these things don’t happen.
That is a crime.
Do we know that she claims to have had the tazer on the same side of her body as the gun (/admits to violating the procedure regs)? I hadn't seen that as of last night.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:40
Subject: Re:MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
The biggest problems with the Daunte Wright tragedy are:
1. Under Supreme Court case law, pretextual stops for racist reasons are 100% allowable; and
2. Immediate escalation by law enforcement where reaching for whatever she thought she was reaching for is an option.
Armed police shouldn't be able to so easily stop people for "traffic violations" real or imagined.
1. Under Supreme Court case law, pretextual stops for racist reasons are 100% allowable; and
2. Immediate escalation by law enforcement where reaching for whatever she thought she was reaching for is an option.
Armed police shouldn't be able to so easily stop people for "traffic violations" real or imagined.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:34
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.
You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.
NP. This killer cop needs to be prosecuted and spend at least a few years behind bars. She definitely should never work as a police officer ever again given her gross lack of self-control and judgement.
Judgement?
- she chose to deploy NON-LETHAL force, and believed she held her Tazer in her hand; she even announced it three times.
Please explain how her “judgment” to use a Tazer was faulty? (pp or anyone).
Ummmm. She’s a 26 year veteran cop! She should know without question the difference between a taser and firearm. That she didn’t know shows incredible incompetence and inability to remain in control of herself and the situation. She’ll be arrested, charged, and prosecuted fir killing the man. Otherwise, expect a crazy summer in the Twin Cities area. She’s a killer cop.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:34
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The article you linked conveniently leaves out what the outstanding warrant was for.
That's no excuse for murder. Period.
- NP
He resisted police and then attempted to gain control of a 3000 lb weapon. The same weapon that killed a Capitol Hill police officer who is being buried today. You people are crazy. Thank you to all the police who may be reading this.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:22
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: This is horrible we all know this.
The officer involved is a 26 year veteran. One would think she would know the difference between her taser and her gun. A gun weighs more. It would have felt very different to her even in the heat of the moment.
I highly doubt the officer woke up this morning deciding to kill someone. She needed better training and this is negligent manslaughter. A "senior" member of the department should know the difference between a gun and a taser.
Whatever this man did prior to getting killed is not the issue. Anyone who thinks so is wrong.
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Second degree manslaughter in Minnesota still requires a conscious decision to take an unreasonable risk. What was that conscious decision? You seem to agree that the video suggests she thought she pulled out her taser.
I'm sure the officer can tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But any time you're put in a stressful and potentially dangerous situation, there's going to be a risk of making a mistake. That's what seemed to happen here. That doesn't make it OK. But it doesn't necessarily make her criminally responsible for a homicide, either.
There is enough for you probable cause. I’d like to see her arrested and forced to go through the process at the very least.
There is no basis for that. None.
And it would be completely sexist.
she shot a man. If she was in the army, she'd already be facing court martial, but civilian police forces cling to the belief that there is even a such thing as an accidental discharge
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:17
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
We to get off the talking points and the outrage and see what we see. What happened with in Virginia is flat out wrong and cannot be defended. What happened here is something different.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:13
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.
You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.
NP. This killer cop needs to be prosecuted and spend at least a few years behind bars. She definitely should never work as a police officer ever again given her gross lack of self-control and judgement.
You are just not watching the video. Or you are and you don't understand what you see. There is no evidence this was anything other than a mistake. There is no crime for a mistake in this situation. Someone above said there is probable cause. Of what? Not that a crime has been committed. A guy is dead. That is awful. But she does not have the intent needed. That disregard. A poster above said taser should have been on other side. Maybe someone could argue that but I do not think so. There is no such firm requirement and it all depends on what the officer wants to do. But for those people saying it should have been on the other side, what if in another scenario it was and she still did this? From my perspective no change in analysis.
She made a mistake. there is no gross lack of self control and judgment. She made the decision to deploy non lethal force. That decision in the context of that video is correct. Her judgment is correct. She makes an error in performing. That simply put is not a crime even when someone dies.
what is she was in a fight and used a baton. She means to make a legal strike but she misaims and the person moves and she hits him in the head and he dies. No crime there. She made a mistake and there is a death. No you would not lose your job for this. Same as what happened here.
Anonymous
04/13/2021 12:04
Subject: MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.
You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.
NP. This killer cop needs to be prosecuted and spend at least a few years behind bars. She definitely should never work as a police officer ever again given her gross lack of self-control and judgement.
Judgement?
- she chose to deploy NON-LETHAL force, and believed she held her Tazer in her hand; she even announced it three times.
Please explain how her “judgment” to use a Tazer was faulty? (pp or anyone).