Anonymous
03/27/2021 22:35
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?
Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?
Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.
If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.
So now it's only about the black people living in the South who can't make it to the DMV, but can somehow find a way to make it everywhere else they need to go to. But the poor white people have no problem making it to the DMV? This is almost as ridiculous as the "can't find my birth certificate" excuse. lol
Millions and millions of people in this country, for multiple reasons, do not have access to basic services.
Numerous people never had birth certificates, and therefore cannot “find” them because there are no birth certificates to find.
Literally no one in this long and tedious thread has made statements about what “poor white people” have “no problem” doing — although it has been pointed out numerous times that laws have been framed to disproportionately impact Blacks and other people of color.
DP
Cry me a river. How can take they make it to the polling location every other year, but can't seem to make it to the DMV in the last 10 years ( or however long a state ID is valid for)?
See my earlier post about my ill father, the WWII Marine.
Why are you determined to be so ignorant?
Because they are using bad faith arguments to defend the indefensible. They want to live in a fascist state that pays lip service to people who have served but ultimately only serves the rich.
Anonymous
03/27/2021 22:33
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?
Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?
Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.
If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.
So now it's only about the black people living in the South who can't make it to the DMV, but can somehow find a way to make it everywhere else they need to go to. But the poor white people have no problem making it to the DMV? This is almost as ridiculous as the "can't find my birth certificate" excuse. lol
Millions and millions of people in this country, for multiple reasons, do not have access to basic services.
Numerous people never had birth certificates, and therefore cannot “find” them because there are no birth certificates to find.
Literally no one in this long and tedious thread has made statements about what “poor white people” have “no problem” doing — although it has been pointed out numerous times that laws have been framed to disproportionately impact Blacks and other people of color.
DP
Cry me a river. How can take they make it to the polling location every other year, but can't seem to make it to the DMV in the last 10 years ( or however long a state ID is valid for)?
See my earlier post about my ill father, the WWII Marine.
Why are you determined to be so ignorant?
Anonymous
03/27/2021 22:29
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
*fake ID?
And how would they even know which name to use? This is a very complicated crime that has a limited impact.
And how would they even know which name to use? This is a very complicated crime that has a limited impact.
Anonymous
03/27/2021 22:23
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is the thought that poor folks don’t have IDs?
Or only black people somehow can't make it to the DMV, but white people can?
Google a map in the south of the DMV locations and superimpose the map with where the communities are majority AA. You will see the problem.
If you are making a statement that "only the black people somehow can't make it to the DMV" then you have clearly never experienced the problem. Glad you are enjoying your privilege.
So now it's only about the black people living in the South who can't make it to the DMV, but can somehow find a way to make it everywhere else they need to go to. But the poor white people have no problem making it to the DMV? This is almost as ridiculous as the "can't find my birth certificate" excuse. lol
Millions and millions of people in this country, for multiple reasons, do not have access to basic services.
Numerous people never had birth certificates, and therefore cannot “find” them because there are no birth certificates to find.
Literally no one in this long and tedious thread has made statements about what “poor white people” have “no problem” doing — although it has been pointed out numerous times that laws have been framed to disproportionately impact Blacks and other people of color.
DP
Cry me a river. How can take they make it to the polling location every other year, but can't seem to make it to the DMV in the last 10 years ( or however long a state ID is valid for)?
Anonymous
03/27/2021 22:20
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:
You missed the point. A valid passport does not need to be renewed every time you change your address. As such, it cannot be used as a means to validate a jurisdiction to vote
You missed the point.
People are registered to vote in a jurisdiction. To register, you would need to show that you live there (utility bills, tax returns, etc) and to prove that you are a citizen. The passport takes care of that and it is a valid photo ID at the polling place, as shown in the extensive list above of states that recognize the passport as a valid voter ID.
If you think that a person would break the law and use a fake name to vote, why wouldn’t they just get a fake if? How does this even prevent the fraud you claim can transpire?
Anonymous
03/27/2021 22:06
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
You missed the point. A valid passport does not need to be renewed every time you change your address. As such, it cannot be used as a means to validate a jurisdiction to vote
You missed the point.
People are registered to vote in a jurisdiction. To register, you would need to show that you live there (utility bills, tax returns, etc) and to prove that you are a citizen. The passport takes care of that and it is a valid photo ID at the polling place, as shown in the extensive list above of states that recognize the passport as a valid voter ID.
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:50
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:
You seem to be ignorant of the fact that many people do very few of those things.
I just went to the dentist. They know me by name, sight, and even by my voice. No ID needed. I don’t drink, smoke or own a gun — that cuts your list down considerably. I’ve had one of my bank accounts since I was six, and even then I realized that many people could not afford to have bank accounts.
TLDR: Your lengthy list really doesn’t support your conclusion. If you think it does, you either need to work on your critical thinking skills, or you are for voter disenfranchisement. There is no other plausible reason. See how that works?
I think some of you simply want to be outraged about SOMETHING.
What is the definition of elector and what are the documents allowable in subsection C. Without defined terms you cant state that this makes any point. Electors seem to be defined from the voter rolls but its unclear as I searched in the law and it wasnt defined. It also requires the "elector" to list the registered address. Registered address for what? How do you update that? If it doesnt match the registered address, again see previous question, then its considered provisional. Provisional can only be counted if the board is able to confirm the information provided.
As far as 2000 electors, if its 2000 electors defined by the voter rolls then those were purged. https://www.gpb.org/news/2019/10/31/georgia-releases-list-of-313000-voter-registrations-be-removed-in-december. How do you lose your right to be considered an elector and counted in a precinct just because you didnt vote.
"Georgians that are facing cancellation were moved to inactive status if they had “no contact” with elections officials after three years. That means they did not vote in elections, update their registrations or have any contact with elections officials, then failed to respond to a letter sent by elections officials.
A law passed this year lengthens the time period to be declared inactive to five years."
Didn't realize there was an expiration date on the right to vote?
My DH has updated his address with the TSP 10x and we still get forwarded mail. Has updated DOD HR, has called and it doesnt matter.
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:50
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:US passport doesn't establish the right to vote in a local/state jurisdiction. It only allows passage to and from the US to other countries.
you are wrong, please do a minimum amount of diligence before typing away
US passport is a valid form of ID in practically all states:
State Acceptable Forms of ID Voters Without ID
Alabama
Valid U.S. passport
Alaska
Passport
Arizona
Valid U.S. federal, state or local government issued identification
Arkansas
United States passport
Colorado
U.S. passport
Connecticut
Social Security card
Any other preprinted form of identification which shows the elector's name and either the elector's address, signature or photograph
Delaware
Any government document with voter’s name and address
Florida
U.S. passport
Georgia
U.S. passport
Hawaii
Acceptable types of ID are not specified by law. Hawaii's office of elections provides this information:
Forms of acceptable identification include a valid photo ID (Drivers License, State ID, etc), a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, or other government issued document that shows your name and address.
Idaho
Passport
Indiana
Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana
Iowa
U.S. passport
Kansas
U.S. passport
Louisiana
Louisiana driver’s license
Louisiana special ID card
Military ID with photo
Other generally recognized picture identification
Michigan
U.S. passport
Mississippi
United States passport
Missouri
Identification issued by the federal government, state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority;
Montana
Current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, notice of confirmation of voter registration, government check, or other government document that shows the elector's name and current address
New Hampshire
U.S. passport, regardless of expiration date
North Carolina
Passport
North Dakota
A valid form of identification is:
Document issued by a federal, state or local government
Ohio
Current and valid photo identification, defined as a document that shows the individual’s name and current address, includes a photograph, includes an expiration date that has not passed, and was issued by the U.S. government or the state of Ohio
Oklahoma
Proof of identity shall mean a document that satisfies the following:
Shows a name that substantially conforms to the name in the precinct registry
Shows a photograph
Includes an expiration date that is after the date of the election
Was issued by the United States, state of Oklahoma, or a federally recognized Indian tribe or nation
Rhode Island
A valid (unexpired or expired within the last 6 months) document showing a photo of the person to whom it was issued, including:
U.S. passport
South Carolina
Passport
Tennessee
U.S. passport
Texas
U.S. passport
Utah
U.S. passport
Virginia
Valid United States passport
West Virginia
U.S. Passport
Wisconsin
U.S. Passport
You missed the point. A valid passport does not need to be renewed every time you change your address. As such, it cannot be used as a means to validate a jurisdiction to vote.
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:45
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
Here is the list again, a bit cleaner
US passport is a valid form of ID in practically all states:
State Acceptable Forms of ID
Alabama
Valid U.S. passport
Alaska
Passport
Arizona
Valid U.S. federal, state or local government issued identification
Arkansas
United States passport
Colorado
U.S. passport
Connecticut
Social Security card
Any other preprinted form of identification which shows the elector's name and either the elector's address, signature or photograph
Delaware
Any government document with voter’s name and address
Florida
U.S. passport
Georgia
U.S. passport
Hawaii
Acceptable types of ID are not specified by law. Hawaii's office of elections provides this information:
Forms of acceptable identification include a valid photo ID (Drivers License, State ID, etc), a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, or other government issued document that shows your name and address.
Idaho
Passport
Indiana
Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana
Iowa
U.S. passport
Kansas
U.S. passport
Louisiana
Louisiana driver’s license
Louisiana special ID card
Military ID with photo
Other generally recognized picture identification
Michigan
U.S. passport
Mississippi
United States passport
Missouri
Identification issued by the federal government, state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority;
Montana
Current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, notice of confirmation of voter registration, government check, or other government document that shows the elector's name and current address
New Hampshire
U.S. passport, regardless of expiration date
North Carolina
Passport
North Dakota
A valid form of identification is:
Document issued by a federal, state or local government
Ohio
Current and valid photo identification, defined as a document that shows the individual’s name and current address, includes a photograph, includes an expiration date that has not passed, and was issued by the U.S. government or the state of Ohio
Oklahoma
Proof of identity shall mean a document that satisfies the following:
Shows a name that substantially conforms to the name in the precinct registry
Shows a photograph
Includes an expiration date that is after the date of the election
Was issued by the United States, state of Oklahoma, or a federally recognized Indian tribe or nation
Rhode Island
A valid (unexpired or expired within the last 6 months) document showing a photo of the person to whom it was issued, including:
U.S. passport
South Carolina
Passport
Tennessee
U.S. passport
Texas
U.S. passport
Utah
U.S. passport
Virginia
Valid United States passport
West Virginia
U.S. Passport
Wisconsin
U.S. Passport
US passport is a valid form of ID in practically all states:
State Acceptable Forms of ID
Alabama
Valid U.S. passport
Alaska
Passport
Arizona
Valid U.S. federal, state or local government issued identification
Arkansas
United States passport
Colorado
U.S. passport
Connecticut
Social Security card
Any other preprinted form of identification which shows the elector's name and either the elector's address, signature or photograph
Delaware
Any government document with voter’s name and address
Florida
U.S. passport
Georgia
U.S. passport
Hawaii
Acceptable types of ID are not specified by law. Hawaii's office of elections provides this information:
Forms of acceptable identification include a valid photo ID (Drivers License, State ID, etc), a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, or other government issued document that shows your name and address.
Idaho
Passport
Indiana
Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana
Iowa
U.S. passport
Kansas
U.S. passport
Louisiana
Louisiana driver’s license
Louisiana special ID card
Military ID with photo
Other generally recognized picture identification
Michigan
U.S. passport
Mississippi
United States passport
Missouri
Identification issued by the federal government, state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority;
Montana
Current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, notice of confirmation of voter registration, government check, or other government document that shows the elector's name and current address
New Hampshire
U.S. passport, regardless of expiration date
North Carolina
Passport
North Dakota
A valid form of identification is:
Document issued by a federal, state or local government
Ohio
Current and valid photo identification, defined as a document that shows the individual’s name and current address, includes a photograph, includes an expiration date that has not passed, and was issued by the U.S. government or the state of Ohio
Oklahoma
Proof of identity shall mean a document that satisfies the following:
Shows a name that substantially conforms to the name in the precinct registry
Shows a photograph
Includes an expiration date that is after the date of the election
Was issued by the United States, state of Oklahoma, or a federally recognized Indian tribe or nation
Rhode Island
A valid (unexpired or expired within the last 6 months) document showing a photo of the person to whom it was issued, including:
U.S. passport
South Carolina
Passport
Tennessee
U.S. passport
Texas
U.S. passport
Utah
U.S. passport
Virginia
Valid United States passport
West Virginia
U.S. Passport
Wisconsin
U.S. Passport
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:40
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
US passport doesn't establish the right to vote in a local/state jurisdiction. It only allows passage to and from the US to other countries.
you are wrong, please do a minimum amount of diligence before typing away
US passport is a valid form of ID in practically all states:
State Acceptable Forms of ID Voters Without ID
Alabama
Valid U.S. passport
Alaska
Passport
Arizona
Valid U.S. federal, state or local government issued identification
Arkansas
United States passport
Colorado
U.S. passport
Connecticut
Social Security card
Any other preprinted form of identification which shows the elector's name and either the elector's address, signature or photograph
Delaware
Any government document with voter’s name and address
Florida
U.S. passport
Georgia
U.S. passport
Hawaii
Acceptable types of ID are not specified by law. Hawaii's office of elections provides this information:
Forms of acceptable identification include a valid photo ID (Drivers License, State ID, etc), a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, or other government issued document that shows your name and address.
Idaho
Passport
Indiana
Specific forms of ID are not listed in statute. ID must be issued by the state of Indiana or the U.S. government and must show the following:
Name of individual to whom it was issued, which must conform to the individual's registration record
Photo of the person to whom it was issued
Expiration date (if it is expired, it must have an expiration date after the most recent general election; military IDs are exempted from the requirement that ID bear an expiration date)
Must be issued by the United States or the state of Indiana
Iowa
U.S. passport
Kansas
U.S. passport
Louisiana
Louisiana driver’s license
Louisiana special ID card
Military ID with photo
Other generally recognized picture identification
Michigan
U.S. passport
Mississippi
United States passport
Missouri
Identification issued by the federal government, state of Missouri, an agency of the state, or a local election authority;
Montana
Current utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, notice of confirmation of voter registration, government check, or other government document that shows the elector's name and current address
New Hampshire
U.S. passport, regardless of expiration date
North Carolina
Passport
North Dakota
A valid form of identification is:
Document issued by a federal, state or local government
Ohio
Current and valid photo identification, defined as a document that shows the individual’s name and current address, includes a photograph, includes an expiration date that has not passed, and was issued by the U.S. government or the state of Ohio
Oklahoma
Proof of identity shall mean a document that satisfies the following:
Shows a name that substantially conforms to the name in the precinct registry
Shows a photograph
Includes an expiration date that is after the date of the election
Was issued by the United States, state of Oklahoma, or a federally recognized Indian tribe or nation
Rhode Island
A valid (unexpired or expired within the last 6 months) document showing a photo of the person to whom it was issued, including:
U.S. passport
South Carolina
Passport
Tennessee
U.S. passport
Texas
U.S. passport
Utah
U.S. passport
Virginia
Valid United States passport
West Virginia
U.S. Passport
Wisconsin
U.S. Passport
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:30
Subject: Re:stop whining about voter ID requirements
What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP
It doesn't but if you don't solve the problem of making ID's accessible for all who are entitled to them, then it is a form of voter suppression.
.
I agree it is a form of voter suppression if you don't solve the problem of making ID's accessible for all who are entitled to them.
This whole thread started advocating that the federal government should solve this problem.
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:07
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?
And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.
We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.
There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.
What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP
It doesn't but if you don't solve the problem of making ID's accessible for all who are entitled to them, then it is a form of voter suppression. But why do you keep citing the bogeyman of the hordes of illegals voting when there is no proof of any such activity taking place?
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:01
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?
And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.
We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.
There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.
What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP
This was explained. It is a barrier that disproportionately impacts people of color. That is wrong. What are you confused about?
Anonymous
03/27/2021 21:00
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Again: did JFK, Nixon, or Reagan have to show ID when they cast their ballots?
If no, there is zero reason to make any of us show an ID.
What has changed in the intervening years that necessitates voter ID?
Not one Republican has addressed these points.
Because they are utterly stupid and irrelevant “points” which have nothing to do with present day? Just a thought.
Show, dear, don’t tell. Why has this country allowed voting without an ID for centuries if it’s so important?
With upward of 22 million illegal aliens present, it is important to know who actually has the right to vote. ID is essential.
You are welcome.
There have always been non citizens present in the country. Why do you need ids now? Isn’t this the purpose of voter registration?
Anonymous
03/27/2021 20:59
Subject: stop whining about voter ID requirements
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t the new bill say that the state would provide a voter ID card to those that don’t have photo ID?
And if someone doesn’t have a birth certificate then it seems like they wouldn’t be able to get a bank account either. We should fix those issues, not have insecure elections because of it.
We don't have insecure elections. It is a myth. The only insecurity in the 2020 election were a couple of GOP voters in PA, another GOP from Florida who voted in GA and some wacko lady in Nevada.
There is literally no widespread voter fraud and thus no problem to fix. The only reason these bills are happening is so the GOP can suppress votes and try to remain in power.
What a lie. Why are you so vehemently against American citizens being required to have ID in order to vote? Why does this threaten you so?
DP