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I’m seriously thinking about moving. Where in Wootton district is not susceptible to busing to other district? Or maybe have to go to Churchill

Nobody in the Wootton service area will get bused to a high school in a different service area, unless they're in a magnet program.

On the other hand, it is likely that the boundaries of the Wootton service area will change as a result of the Crown HS boundary study, since Wootton will be included in the Crown HS boundary study. But in that case, the people bused to a different high school won't be in the Wootton service area, they'll be in the service area for that high school.

Looks like you typed so much for nothing. Of course the question is asking where in current Wootton service area would be safe

Safe? Safe from what dangers?

Danger of kids being the first batch of a brand new high school and being ripped off

Ripped off? What would they be cheated/defrauded of? Having an old, run-down building instead of a brand-new one?

+1 some of you are seriously ridiculous.

Should we NEVER have any boundary redrawn? Should we never build new schools to address the population growth? What should be done about overcrowded schools? Does it make any sense to have one school over capacity and an adjacent school be under capacity?

Everyone else can move but my neighborhood. NIMBYism at its finest.

Redrawing because of overcrowding is understandable, redrawing to balance farm rate is not

They have to redraw the boundaries. If a kid goes on the bus to school A going north, then the boundaries get redrawn such that the kid now takes the bus to school B going south, about the same distance, I really don't see that as a problem. And it's not like your kid will be *the* only kid in your neighborhood going to a different school.

Many of the boundaries are ridiculous, including Wootton's with that island out that way, and some of the neighborhoods are closer to other schools than Wootton. There are also neighborhoods zoned for Churchill that is pretty far from that school, and those people who live there who scream the loudest about neighborhood schools and "don't bus my kid just for diversity" look very silly.

Also, diversity has always been part of the four factors when drawing boundaries. It's not a new thing. There is no way to draw boundaries giving each factor the same weight. Sometimes, diversity will be given a bit more weight than geography, and sometimes not. There have been at least two boundaries recently where the option that was chosen was not the one that had diversity as the most important factor. This was explained in the Supe's memo, and you could also clearly see it in the options.

I feel like a broken record writing this.

Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students.". Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boy Daryl study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

Yes, I'm aware. I'm also aware that the option they chose for upcounty did not have diversity as the most important factor. Again, that was in the Supe's memo. Yes, they took diversity into account because that is one of the four factors.

Yes, in Wootton case, some neighborhoods could get sent to GHS or QO or RM. Why? Because a new HS is being built, and they need to redraw boundaries, and some of the neighborhoods in the Wootton cluster are closer or equidistant to other clusters. It makes little sense to have an over capacity cluster adjacent to an under capacity cluster. The only people who think that makes sense are the ones who are NIMBYs - everyone else can be moved but not us.

Also, a kid who is currently taking the bus to Wootton may continue to take the bus to a different HS because, once again, a new HS is being built and boundaries need to be redrawn. Like I said - instead of going south x miles, you now go north or east or west x miles.

A kid who is currently within walking distance to Wootton HS won't be taking a bus further away, unless it's by choice for a magnet. There has been zero boundaries redrawn since 2018 where a student who was a walker is now a bus rider to a different school. Why? Because geogpraphy (walk zone) is one of the four factors that they won't ignore. Why? Because it costs money to bus kids, money that MCPS doesn't have.

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Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students.". Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boy Daryl study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

(gotta watch out for those scary boy Daryl studies)

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Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students." Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boundary study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

Rockville HS has nothing to do with the Crown study. The five included schools are Gaithersburg, Northwest, Quince Orchard, Richard Montgomery, and Wootton.

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Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students.". Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boy Daryl study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

(gotta watch out for those scary boy Daryl studies)

Thank you for catching my typo. I'll repost.

Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students." Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boundary study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

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Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students.". Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boy Daryl study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

(gotta watch out for those scary boy Daryl studies)

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I’m seriously thinking about moving. Where in Wootton district is not susceptible to busing to other district? Or maybe have to go to Churchill

Nobody in the Wootton service area will get bused to a high school in a different service area, unless they're in a magnet program.

On the other hand, it is likely that the boundaries of the Wootton service area will change as a result of the Crown HS boundary study, since Wootton will be included in the Crown HS boundary study. But in that case, the people bused to a different high school won't be in the Wootton service area, they'll be in the service area for that high school.

Looks like you typed so much for nothing. Of course the question is asking where in current Wootton service area would be safe

If you are currently in the Wootton walk zone, you will stay a walker. If you are currently a bus rider, you will stay a bus rider, but your bus could go to an adjacent school after rezoning.

Yes, and bother Gaithersburg and Rockville high schools are adjacent and in desperate need of white and Asian kids to balance diversity. These are lokely busing destinations for Wootton kids.

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I’m seriously thinking about moving. Where in Wootton district is not susceptible to busing to other district? Or maybe have to go to Churchill

Nobody in the Wootton service area will get bused to a high school in a different service area, unless they're in a magnet program.

On the other hand, it is likely that the boundaries of the Wootton service area will change as a result of the Crown HS boundary study, since Wootton will be included in the Crown HS boundary study. But in that case, the people bused to a different high school won't be in the Wootton service area, they'll be in the service area for that high school.

Looks like you typed so much for nothing. Of course the question is asking where in current Wootton service area would be safe

Safe? Safe from what dangers?

Danger of kids being the first batch of a brand new high school and being ripped off

Ripped off? What would they be cheated/defrauded of? Having an old, run-down building instead of a brand-new one?

+1 some of you are seriously ridiculous.

Should we NEVER have any boundary redrawn? Should we never build new schools to address the population growth? What should be done about overcrowded schools? Does it make any sense to have one school over capacity and an adjacent school be under capacity?

Everyone else can move but my neighborhood. NIMBYism at its finest.

Redrawing because of overcrowding is understandable, redrawing to balance farm rate is not

They have to redraw the boundaries. If a kid goes on the bus to school A going north, then the boundaries get redrawn such that the kid now takes the bus to school B going south, about the same distance, I really don't see that as a problem. And it's not like your kid will be *the* only kid in your neighborhood going to a different school.

Many of the boundaries are ridiculous, including Wootton's with that island out that way, and some of the neighborhoods are closer to other schools than Wootton. There are also neighborhoods zoned for Churchill that is pretty far from that school, and those people who live there who scream the loudest about neighborhood schools and "don't bus my kid just for diversity" look very silly.

Also, diversity has always been part of the four factors when drawing boundaries. It's not a new thing. There is no way to draw boundaries giving each factor the same weight. Sometimes, diversity will be given a bit more weight than geography, and sometimes not. There have been at least two boundaries recently where the option that was chosen was not the one that had diversity as the most important factor. This was explained in the Supe's memo, and you could also clearly see it in the options.

I feel like a broken record writing this.

Not sure if you are aware but in 2018 the BOE made diversity the most important factor in the boundary policy because "increasing diversity is the most important thing we can do for our students.". Imagine being in education and actually thinking that. Crazy. In any case, this means that Wootton (and any other student subject to a boy Daryl study) is in danger of being bused. In Wootton's case, kids could be sent to Gaithersburg, Rockville, RM, or Northwest to balance diversity.

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Spoken like a true member of the board or central office staff! I'm sure everyone in MC will welcome traffic-backups at the left-hand-turn from 370 into Downtown Crown. As we are all aware, MC residents are super understanding of unilateral board and sup decisions that affect parent livelihood. I'm sure the police will also appreciate babysitting all the traffic mess.

Just a suggestion - if MCPS is in a pissing contest, maybe they should post the issue for public written comments? (Not just a not-well-advertised public hearing, but an actual site permitting comments for more than 30-days and well-advertised by MCPS?)

Which issue, specifically, do you think MCPS should post for public written comments? Whether MCPS should build the high school at Crown at the site designated for building the high school?

Most people in Montgomery County are not going to care in the least about traffic back-ups at the left turn from westbound Sam Eig Highway onto Fields Road, just like most people in Montgomery County don't care in the least about traffic back-ups at every other high school in Montgomery County. Plus, who even would take 370 to Sam Eig to Fields Road to drive their child to the high school at Crown at arrival/dismissal times? If you're worried about traffic back-ups, then you should push MCPS for policies that nudge parents to put their kids on the school bus or walk them/let them walk to school, instead of driving them.

Don't speak for me - I care.

Coming from the Metro, the right lane is normally backed up from traffic during rush. If you're lucky, the two left lanes are clear, unless someone is pulling in or out of the stop-and-go-traffic on the right. If MCPS starts blocking the middle lane headed straight West with 100 parents trying to pick up kids after work or extracurriculars, expect a lot more accidents. It's a very dangerous place to have accidents since you've got a three-way split coming off the toll and Metro.

Whether a kid takes a bus or not is a parent's choice. Don't act like it's your choice to make.

Lots of traffic on 270 makes me take metro..maybe lots of traffic on the way to school means more kids take the bus which is a good thing.

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I’m seriously thinking about moving. Where in Wootton district is not susceptible to busing to other district? Or maybe have to go to Churchill

Nobody in the Wootton service area will get bused to a high school in a different service area, unless they're in a magnet program.

On the other hand, it is likely that the boundaries of the Wootton service area will change as a result of the Crown HS boundary study, since Wootton will be included in the Crown HS boundary study. But in that case, the people bused to a different high school won't be in the Wootton service area, they'll be in the service area for that high school.

Looks like you typed so much for nothing. Of course the question is asking where in current Wootton service area would be safe

Safe? Safe from what dangers?

Danger of kids being the first batch of a brand new high school and being ripped off

Ripped off? What would they be cheated/defrauded of? Having an old, run-down building instead of a brand-new one?

+1 some of you are seriously ridiculous.

Should we NEVER have any boundary redrawn? Should we never build new schools to address the population growth? What should be done about overcrowded schools? Does it make any sense to have one school over capacity and an adjacent school be under capacity?

Everyone else can move but my neighborhood. NIMBYism at its finest.

Redrawing because of overcrowding is understandable, redrawing to balance farm rate is not

They have to redraw the boundaries. If a kid goes on the bus to school A going north, then the boundaries get redrawn such that the kid now takes the bus to school B going south, about the same distance, I really don't see that as a problem. And it's not like your kid will be *the* only kid in your neighborhood going to a different school.

Many of the boundaries are ridiculous, including Wootton's with that island out that way, and some of the neighborhoods are closer to other schools than Wootton. There are also neighborhoods zoned for Churchill that is pretty far from that school, and those people who live there who scream the loudest about neighborhood schools and "don't bus my kid just for diversity" look very silly.

Also, diversity has always been part of the four factors when drawing boundaries. It's not a new thing. There is no way to draw boundaries giving each factor the same weight. Sometimes, diversity will be given a bit more weight than geography, and sometimes not. There have been at least two boundaries recently where the option that was chosen was not the one that had diversity as the most important factor. This was explained in the Supe's memo, and you could also clearly see it in the options.

I feel like a broken record writing this.

Many people in Western moco fear change especially to school boundaries. They are afraid of diversity and seem to not realize that all these schools are roughly the same.

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Don't speak for me - I care.

Coming from the Metro, the right lane is normally backed up from traffic during rush. If you're lucky, the two left lanes are clear, unless someone is pulling in or out of the stop-and-go-traffic on the right. If MCPS starts blocking the middle lane headed straight West with 100 parents trying to pick up kids after work or extracurriculars, expect a lot more accidents. It's a very dangerous place to have accidents since you've got a three-way split coming off the toll and Metro.

Whether a kid takes a bus or not is a parent's choice. Don't act like it's your choice to make.

Presumably you care about traffic back-ups where/when you happen to be driving, but most people in Montgomery County are not going to be driving there/then and will not care.

Whether a kid takes a bus or not is a parent's choice (for kids with MCPS-provided bus service) - true. Also true: it's MCPS's choice whether to make it convenient or inconvenient for people to pick up/drop off their kids by car.

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Spoken like a true member of the board or central office staff! I'm sure everyone in MC will welcome traffic-backups at the left-hand-turn from 370 into Downtown Crown. As we are all aware, MC residents are super understanding of unilateral board and sup decisions that affect parent livelihood. I'm sure the police will also appreciate babysitting all the traffic mess.

Just a suggestion - if MCPS is in a pissing contest, maybe they should post the issue for public written comments? (Not just a not-well-advertised public hearing, but an actual site permitting comments for more than 30-days and well-advertised by MCPS?)

Which issue, specifically, do you think MCPS should post for public written comments? Whether MCPS should build the high school at Crown at the site designated for building the high school?

Most people in Montgomery County are not going to care in the least about traffic back-ups at the left turn from westbound Sam Eig Highway onto Fields Road, just like most people in Montgomery County don't care in the least about traffic back-ups at every other high school in Montgomery County. Plus, who even would take 370 to Sam Eig to Fields Road to drive their child to the high school at Crown at arrival/dismissal times? If you're worried about traffic back-ups, then you should push MCPS for policies that nudge parents to put their kids on the school bus or walk them/let them walk to school, instead of driving them.

Don't speak for me - I care.

Coming from the Metro, the right lane is normally backed up from traffic during rush. If you're lucky, the two left lanes are clear, unless someone is pulling in or out of the stop-and-go-traffic on the right. If MCPS starts blocking the middle lane headed straight West with 100 parents trying to pick up kids after work or extracurriculars, expect a lot more accidents. It's a very dangerous place to have accidents since you've got a three-way split coming off the toll and Metro.

Whether a kid takes a bus or not is a parent's choice. Don't act like it's your choice to make.

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I’m seriously thinking about moving. Where in Wootton district is not susceptible to busing to other district? Or maybe have to go to Churchill

Nobody in the Wootton service area will get bused to a high school in a different service area, unless they're in a magnet program.

On the other hand, it is likely that the boundaries of the Wootton service area will change as a result of the Crown HS boundary study, since Wootton will be included in the Crown HS boundary study. But in that case, the people bused to a different high school won't be in the Wootton service area, they'll be in the service area for that high school.

Looks like you typed so much for nothing. Of course the question is asking where in current Wootton service area would be safe

Safe? Safe from what dangers?

Danger of kids being the first batch of a brand new high school and being ripped off

Ripped off? What would they be cheated/defrauded of? Having an old, run-down building instead of a brand-new one?

+1 some of you are seriously ridiculous.

Should we NEVER have any boundary redrawn? Should we never build new schools to address the population growth? What should be done about overcrowded schools? Does it make any sense to have one school over capacity and an adjacent school be under capacity?

Everyone else can move but my neighborhood. NIMBYism at its finest.

Redrawing because of overcrowding is understandable, redrawing to balance farm rate is not

They have to redraw the boundaries. If a kid goes on the bus to school A going north, then the boundaries get redrawn such that the kid now takes the bus to school B going south, about the same distance, I really don't see that as a problem. And it's not like your kid will be *the* only kid in your neighborhood going to a different school.

Many of the boundaries are ridiculous, including Wootton's with that island out that way, and some of the neighborhoods are closer to other schools than Wootton. There are also neighborhoods zoned for Churchill that is pretty far from that school, and those people who live there who scream the loudest about neighborhood schools and "don't bus my kid just for diversity" look very silly.

Also, diversity has always been part of the four factors when drawing boundaries. It's not a new thing. There is no way to draw boundaries giving each factor the same weight. Sometimes, diversity will be given a bit more weight than geography, and sometimes not. There have been at least two boundaries recently where the option that was chosen was not the one that had diversity as the most important factor. This was explained in the Supe's memo, and you could also clearly see it in the options.

I feel like a broken record writing this.

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Spoken like a true member of the board or central office staff! I'm sure everyone in MC will welcome traffic-backups at the left-hand-turn from 370 into Downtown Crown. As we are all aware, MC residents are super understanding of unilateral board and sup decisions that affect parent livelihood. I'm sure the police will also appreciate babysitting all the traffic mess.

Just a suggestion - if MCPS is in a pissing contest, maybe they should post the issue for public written comments? (Not just a not-well-advertised public hearing, but an actual site permitting comments for more than 30-days and well-advertised by MCPS?)

Which issue, specifically, do you think MCPS should post for public written comments? Whether MCPS should build the high school at Crown at the site designated for building the high school?

Most people in Montgomery County are not going to care in the least about traffic back-ups at the left turn from westbound Sam Eig Highway onto Fields Road, just like most people in Montgomery County don't care in the least about traffic back-ups at every other high school in Montgomery County. Plus, who even would take 370 to Sam Eig to Fields Road to drive their child to the high school at Crown at arrival/dismissal times? If you're worried about traffic back-ups, then you should push MCPS for policies that nudge parents to put their kids on the school bus or walk them/let them walk to school, instead of driving them.

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Anonymous wrote:Except MCPS and MoCo Planning are in a pissing contest just now. Traffic and off site parking are not MCPS's problems any more than overcrowded schools are Planning's problem.

And if Crown has open lunches, plenty of shops in Rio will find a way to cater to the students.

Why do you think it's not a MCPS' issue? MCPS makes the decisions and assumes the full responsibility for their actions. If people don't like their decisions, they're free to vote out the board.

And all that matters to you is cheap off-site lunch? Hmm.

MCPS is responsible for teaching kids and building the schools needed for that. Planning is responsible for residential construction and transportation infrastructure (among other things, of course, but that's what most directly affects schools). Once upon a time, MCPS and MNCPPC tried to work together to steer things in a mutually beneficial way.

After years of griping about the school system not addressing or balancing over- and under-utilization of schools, the Planning Board removed the possibility of putting a school or cluster into a residential building moratorium. Equally, MCPS doesn't give more than lip-service about any traffic or off-site parking issues their schools may create; schools go where MCPS wants, with predictable traffic -and Planning better deal with it because Planning doesn't have the jurisdiction to change it.

Leaving us stuck in this pissing contest between the two.

And as to Rio and cheap lunches - that's just a prediction of free enterprise doing it's thing: if students come, they'll cater to them. I've put a whole lot more effort trying to get MCPS and MNCPPC to work together. Eateries don't need my help.

Spoken like a true member of the board or central office staff! I'm sure everyone in MC will welcome traffic-backups at the left-hand-turn from 370 into Downtown Crown. As we are all aware, MC residents are super understanding of unilateral board and sup decisions that affect parent livelihood. I'm sure the police will also appreciate babysitting all the traffic mess.

Just a suggestion - if MCPS is in a pissing contest, maybe they should post the issue for public written comments? (Not just a not-well-advertised public hearing, but an actual site permitting comments for more than 30-days and well-advertised by MCPS?)

Nope, I'm just an engaged citizen and parent who's been trying to make things better for a while.

MCPS has tons of meetings about new school construction. There are three work sessions - via Zoom - for Crown in the next 5 weeks. If you want to comment outside those meetings, you can email Rob Badstibner (Robbie_S_Badstibner@mcpsmd.org) - he's listed as the mcps construction contact.

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Anonymous wrote:Except MCPS and MoCo Planning are in a pissing contest just now. Traffic and off site parking are not MCPS's problems any more than overcrowded schools are Planning's problem.

And if Crown has open lunches, plenty of shops in Rio will find a way to cater to the students.

Why do you think it's not a MCPS' issue? MCPS makes the decisions and assumes the full responsibility for their actions. If people don't like their decisions, they're free to vote out the board.

And all that matters to you is cheap off-site lunch? Hmm.

MCPS is responsible for teaching kids and building the schools needed for that. Planning is responsible for residential construction and transportation infrastructure (among other things, of course, but that's what most directly affects schools). Once upon a time, MCPS and MNCPPC tried to work together to steer things in a mutually beneficial way.

After years of griping about the school system not addressing or balancing over- and under-utilization of schools, the Planning Board removed the possibility of putting a school or cluster into a residential building moratorium. Equally, MCPS doesn't give more than lip-service about any traffic or off-site parking issues their schools may create; schools go where MCPS wants, with predictable traffic -and Planning better deal with it because Planning doesn't have the jurisdiction to change it.

Leaving us stuck in this pissing contest between the two.

And as to Rio and cheap lunches - that's just a prediction of free enterprise doing it's thing: if students come, they'll cater to them. I've put a whole lot more effort trying to get MCPS and MNCPPC to work together. Eateries don't need my help.

Spoken like a true member of the board or central office staff! I'm sure everyone in MC will welcome traffic-backups at the left-hand-turn from 370 into Downtown Crown. As we are all aware, MC residents are super understanding of unilateral board and sup decisions that affect parent livelihood. I'm sure the police will also appreciate babysitting all the traffic mess.

Just a suggestion - if MCPS is in a pissing contest, maybe they should post the issue for public written comments? (Not just a not-well-advertised public hearing, but an actual site permitting comments for more than 30-days and well-advertised by MCPS?)

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I’m seriously thinking about moving. Where in Wootton district is not susceptible to busing to other district? Or maybe have to go to Churchill

Nobody in the Wootton service area will get bused to a high school in a different service area, unless they're in a magnet program.

On the other hand, it is likely that the boundaries of the Wootton service area will change as a result of the Crown HS boundary study, since Wootton will be included in the Crown HS boundary study. But in that case, the people bused to a different high school won't be in the Wootton service area, they'll be in the service area for that high school.

Of course, they will. As it stands, Wootton has one of the worst boundaries of any HS in the county. The majority of its students live closer to other high-schools. I dpn't know why we should pay to bus your kids to the school of your choice when there are other neighborhood schools nearby.