Anonymous
10/29/2020 23:05
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
You can't break a union these days
People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.
CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison
It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.
It's really not that inconceivable that they would be given access to related continuing education. If they establish themselves as useful and a cheaper replacement for teachers...
Anonymous
10/29/2020 23:02
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
You can't break a union these days
People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.
CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison
It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.
This is all really hypothetical. No one has tried this out yet in lower grades. It's not going to happen
Anonymous
10/29/2020 23:00
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
You can't break a union these days
People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.
CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison
It's true that they don't function as actual educators, but what if DCPS starts to pay for their certifications like Reagan did? What if they start to have tons of babysitter classrooms and one teacher? We can't pretend that this hasn't been the model that a lot of higher education has been looking at as a cost-saving measure. In lower grades, paying somewhat educated hourly babysitters to provide enrichment activities while one teacher provides academic content through zoom isn't inconceivable. As it is, if the DCPS plan results in 40 kids in a grade 1 class, it won't be that different.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:57
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
You can't break a union these days
People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.
CARES babysitters don't replace teachers though. It's not a fair comparison
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:55
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
You can't break a union these days
People like to think that but if it's a public service you're providing and you don't have the public on your side, it becomes easier. ATCs didn't arouse public sympathy, so when their union was broken and scabs were hired, this was pretty much acceptable to the general public. We're seeing acceptance growing already with the hiring of CARES workers and the like to replace in-person teachers.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:54
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Thank you! PP here who said I loathe these WTU supporting parents. Not sure how the other pp knows that I have a DD, but she has an IEP and desperately needs her in-person spot that she got! She's getting further and further behind as DL isn't working at all for her. DCPS has similar safety measures in place as other places that have opened, but it's never enough. WTU wants unreasonable safety terms plus asking for more money and no teacher evaluations. Obstructing opening definitely won't help my kid.
What is the unreasonable things they are asking for? I hear there are concerns about confirmed covid cases for students and them going into schools and CARES classes. It appears that there are concerns about not collecting and reporting the data.
Is there something else they are demanding?
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:53
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
You can't break a union these days
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:47
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Does...does no one remember PATCO? Teachers are easier to replace than that.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:42
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?
I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.
Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.
We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.
Aren't sick outs a contract violation?
Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.
Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?
WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.
Only IF DCPS does not sign the MOA. Which people are expecting them to sign in the am.
It’s important to note that the only remaining sticking point according to WTU is that teachers should have the right to say they won’t go back, no reason required. The chancellor has previously said he will not budge on this point. So who knows.
that is absurd. bowser should fire them.
+100. Could you imagine if doctors, nurses, bus drivers, doormen, mail delivery people, Amazon employees, post office employees, metro operators, grocery store workers, and heck, let’s throw in congressmen and national security advisors said this?! This is absolutely absurd.
I guess every time you shop at Whole Foods you feel guilty because some people have to buy theirs at the dollar tree?
I really don’t care if you keep rambling about how some of the people work in person or if some school districts are open.
I dare you to try and replace 5,000 teachers. You couldn’t even replace the couple hundred self contained teachers.
Lol I dare you to find 5000 jobs for teachers (to leave education!) in this economy. I've been a teacher. The skills are not that transferrable. A small number would find jobs. The majority would not.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:32
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for the delay and for all the trolls on here to start a new thread about teachers. Makes me laugh so much. You don’t know how many memes are made from this crap,
Is a delay guaranteed at this point?!?!
Likely yes.
They are trying to hire aides to teach the classroom.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:29
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
I would say yes. Teachers haven't been given assignments. Teachers haven't been informed about next week's PD. EVerything is so bad at the moment. Hanging by a thread.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:23
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:I can’t wait for the delay and for all the trolls on here to start a new thread about teachers. Makes me laugh so much. You don’t know how many memes are made from this crap,
Is a delay guaranteed at this point?!?!
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:21
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
I can’t wait for the delay and for all the trolls on here to start a new thread about teachers. Makes me laugh so much. You don’t know how many memes are made from this crap,
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:20
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?
I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.
Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.
We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.
Aren't sick outs a contract violation?
Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.
Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?
WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.
Only IF DCPS does not sign the MOA. Which people are expecting them to sign in the am.
It’s important to note that the only remaining sticking point according to WTU is that teachers should have the right to say they won’t go back, no reason required. The chancellor has previously said he will not budge on this point. So who knows.
that is absurd. bowser should fire them.
+100. Could you imagine if doctors, nurses, bus drivers, doormen, mail delivery people, Amazon employees, post office employees, metro operators, grocery store workers, and heck, let’s throw in congressmen and national security advisors said this?! This is absolutely absurd.
I guess every time you shop at Whole Foods you feel guilty because some people have to buy theirs at the dollar tree?
I really don’t care if you keep rambling about how some of the people work in person or if some school districts are open.
I dare you to try and replace 5,000 teachers. You couldn’t even replace the couple hundred self contained teachers.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 22:03
Subject: Rumors of a delay?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:A few other threads said there will be a delay of the Nov. 9th opening so pulling it out here. Does anyone have more information?
I was told by a union organizer that teachers will be striking this Monday. To protest the plan for going back in person.
Your source is wrong. Also “union organizer” isn’t a title WTU uses.
We cannot strike. It’s illegal. What’s supposedly planned is a sick out this Friday, Oct. 30. It was the subject of the WTU meeting this week. They want to take “strong collective action” if negotiations aren’t successful. I don’t know the exact number but a majority apparently voted in favor of the sick out. From hearsay it sounds like it could be more than one day if not effective.
Aren't sick outs a contract violation?
Not sure. Work stoppage is illegal, but we are entitled to take our sick leave so I’m not sure calling out sick would count.
Is this definitely happening? Does anyone know when we would be told about this sick out?
WTU members just voted for a mental health sick out on Monday, November 2.
Only IF DCPS does not sign the MOA. Which people are expecting them to sign in the am.
It’s important to note that the only remaining sticking point according to WTU is that teachers should have the right to say they won’t go back, no reason required. The chancellor has previously said he will not budge on this point. So who knows.
that is absurd. bowser should fire them.
+100. Could you imagine if doctors, nurses, bus drivers, doormen, mail delivery people, Amazon employees, post office employees, metro operators, grocery store workers, and heck, let’s throw in congressmen and national security advisors said this?! This is absolutely absurd.