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Anonymous wrote:Blair

Blair take way too much pride in a few hundred kids who are mostly bused in and don't reflect the majority of the school be it demographically, scholastically or geographically. They don't put magnet programs in schools without problems. That is fine, just don't pretend you don't have a problem.

Poolesville was about to close due to lack of kids. Blair has the most kids in the county, I wonder what their problem was?

Whatever the “problem” was back in the 80s when the magnet started, how is it relevant some 40 years later?

DP. I guess you haven't seen Blair's school stats?

MCPS *could* have competed with TJ to have the best school in America, but chose not to. They put Magnets in the county corners. One did very well (Poolesville) and the other is an embarassment (Blair didn't even make the top STEM Schools list and is far down on the National Rankings). To be a top school, you need to walk-the-talk.

Are you really that dumb? or is the Blair envy really that strong?
If there is a school among those 3 you mentioned that "walks-the-talk", it is Blair.
The others may rank high and be "top school" on papers, but Blair is crushing it on the fields, IRL.
You cannot be that dumb, can you?

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Anonymous wrote:Blair

Blair take way too much pride in a few hundred kids who are mostly bused in and don't reflect the majority of the school be it demographically, scholastically or geographically. They don't put magnet programs in schools without problems. That is fine, just don't pretend you don't have a problem.

Poolesville was about to close due to lack of kids. Blair has the most kids in the county, I wonder what their problem was?

Whatever the “problem” was back in the 80s when the magnet started, how is it relevant some 40 years later?

DP. I guess you haven't seen Blair's school stats?

MCPS *could* have competed with TJ to have the best school in America, but chose not to. They put Magnets in the county corners. One did very well (Poolesville) and the other is an embarassment (Blair didn't even make the top STEM Schools list and is far down on the National Rankings). To be a top school, you need to walk-the-talk.

You need to put down the pipe and sober up. Poolesville has a fine program, but Blairs magnet stats overshadow Poolesville. There is no comparison between these programs. Pound for pound Blair wins far more than TJ and also has a higher SAT average. Last I knew TJ was at 1520 and Blair at 1530. Roughly 50% of Blairs magnet class are NMSF each year.

Blair SAT scores are not 1530, a tiny fraction of the school who are bused in from across the county with the specific goal to prop up test scores have an avg of 1500+ most years. Blair’s Ave SAT score is much, much lower and on par with the less regarded schools near it like Northwood even with the extra help of the magnet placement. One can only assume without those smart kids bussed in Blair’s avg is near the bottom of the county. TJ is an entire school avg with a much larger number of kids….which makes it actually impressive. Its weird you take so much pride in a few dozen Asian kids from Bethesda to the point you over look the other 3000 kids in the school and the real Blair with its 50% FARMs and sub-90% graduation rate. Those are the avg peer group at the school not some SAT wiz from Kensington with a 45 min bus ride every morning.

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Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Not sure which "W" school you're talking about, but I think you're fine if it was Whitman, (Winston) Churchill, Wootton, etc.

Rockville HS:
Graduation Rate: 83.9%
Attendance: 91.6%
Dropout Rate: 7.7%
College ready: 64.7%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 46.3%
Average SAT: 1003 (below both County and National averages)

RMHS
Graduation Rate: 94.1%
Attendance: 93.5%
Dropout Rate: <5%
College ready: 79.5%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 60.3%
Average SAT: 1236 (above both County and National averages, but not at Whitman, Churchill, Wootton, Poolesville-levels)

Go by facts, not what's posted here on DCUMS. Just because an anonymous blogger says this or that doesn't mean it's true.

Averaging over IB and non-IB at RMHS gives you utterly meaningless data.

Yep, smarter kids at Blair. Not even close. Bethesda and Potomac versus Clarksburg and Gaithersburg. Blair is number one for Intel winners and higher number of NMSF.

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Anonymous wrote:Blair

Blair take way too much pride in a few hundred kids who are mostly bused in and don't reflect the majority of the school be it demographically, scholastically or geographically. They don't put magnet programs in schools without problems. That is fine, just don't pretend you don't have a problem.

Poolesville was about to close due to lack of kids. Blair has the most kids in the county, I wonder what their problem was?

Whatever the “problem” was back in the 80s when the magnet started, how is it relevant some 40 years later?

DP. I guess you haven't seen Blair's school stats?

MCPS *could* have competed with TJ to have the best school in America, but chose not to. They put Magnets in the county corners. One did very well (Poolesville) and the other is an embarassment (Blair didn't even make the top STEM Schools list and is far down on the National Rankings). To be a top school, you need to walk-the-talk.

You need to put down the pipe and sober up. Poolesville has a fine program, but Blairs magnet stats overshadow Poolesville. There is no comparison between these programs. Pound for pound Blair wins far more than TJ and also has a higher SAT average. Last I knew TJ was at 1520 and Blair at 1530. Roughly 50% of Blairs magnet class are NMSF each year.

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Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173

It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".

Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..

The poster stated they were attempting to get an apples to apples comparison by looking at the largest cohort common to these schools.

Who wants a 7-year-old apple?

Little has changed since the county accidentally released that data. Further, it's the best we have to understand how these schools stack up by comparing the largest common cohorts as a proxy to SES we can better understand how their added value in how the same student might perform at one school or another.

Very strange to look only at white students in such a diverse district like MCPS, and make the assumption that all other groups are low SES.

The PP stated, they were looking at the largest demographic cohort common to these schools to get a fair comparison of how they stack up.

It's really sad to me how on DCUM:
- we see white families as a monolith
- we care so little about how Black and Hispanic families are doing that we exclude them from the data we look at
- we choose to be complacent about poor performance and bad environments in many MCPS schools by assuming those problems are isolated to kids of color

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Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Not sure which "W" school you're talking about, but I think you're fine if it was Whitman, (Winston) Churchill, Wootton, etc.

Rockville HS:
Graduation Rate: 83.9%
Attendance: 91.6%
Dropout Rate: 7.7%
College ready: 64.7%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 46.3%
Average SAT: 1003 (below both County and National averages)

RMHS
Graduation Rate: 94.1%
Attendance: 93.5%
Dropout Rate: <5%
College ready: 79.5%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 60.3%
Average SAT: 1236 (above both County and National averages, but not at Whitman, Churchill, Wootton, Poolesville-levels)

Go by facts, not what's posted here on DCUMS. Just because an anonymous blogger says this or that doesn't mean it's true.

I agree facts are helpful but often masked by things like bulk averages.

Exceptions to the Rule work both ways - up or down.

Went to a super competitive HS. The kids who were top burned out later in life, and the most famous were the "average" kids that were marginalized. Don't think that it had to do with elite parents or money. It was the environment and opportunity. The teachers made the difference and drilled into every kid to dream big (not tell them "don't get ahead, you'll be bored" - a quote from a MCPS ES teacher).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Not sure which "W" school you're talking about, but I think you're fine if it was Whitman, (Winston) Churchill, Wootton, etc.

Rockville HS:
Graduation Rate: 83.9%
Attendance: 91.6%
Dropout Rate: 7.7%
College ready: 64.7%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 46.3%
Average SAT: 1003 (below both County and National averages)

RMHS
Graduation Rate: 94.1%
Attendance: 93.5%
Dropout Rate: <5%
College ready: 79.5%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 60.3%
Average SAT: 1236 (above both County and National averages, but not at Whitman, Churchill, Wootton, Poolesville-levels)

Go by facts, not what's posted here on DCUMS. Just because an anonymous blogger says this or that doesn't mean it's true.

Rockville HS has a lot more students who speak English as a second or other language, that’s why scores are lower.

The teachers are really strong. We are happy as Rockville parents.

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Anonymous wrote:Blair

Blair take way too much pride in a few hundred kids who are mostly bused in and don't reflect the majority of the school be it demographically, scholastically or geographically. They don't put magnet programs in schools without problems. That is fine, just don't pretend you don't have a problem.

Poolesville was about to close due to lack of kids. Blair has the most kids in the county, I wonder what their problem was?

Whatever the “problem” was back in the 80s when the magnet started, how is it relevant some 40 years later?

DP. I guess you haven't seen Blair's school stats?

MCPS *could* have competed with TJ to have the best school in America, but chose not to. They put Magnets in the county corners. One did very well (Poolesville) and the other is an embarassment (Blair didn't even make the top STEM Schools list and is far down on the National Rankings). To be a top school, you need to walk-the-talk.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Not sure which "W" school you're talking about, but I think you're fine if it was Whitman, (Winston) Churchill, Wootton, etc.

Rockville HS:
Graduation Rate: 83.9%
Attendance: 91.6%
Dropout Rate: 7.7%
College ready: 64.7%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 46.3%
Average SAT: 1003 (below both County and National averages)

RMHS
Graduation Rate: 94.1%
Attendance: 93.5%
Dropout Rate: <5%
College ready: 79.5%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 60.3%
Average SAT: 1236 (above both County and National averages, but not at Whitman, Churchill, Wootton, Poolesville-levels)

Go by facts, not what's posted here on DCUMS. Just because an anonymous blogger says this or that doesn't mean it's true.

I agree facts are helpful but often masked by things like bulk averages.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Not sure which "W" school you're talking about, but I think you're fine if it was Whitman, (Winston) Churchill, Wootton, etc.

Rockville HS:
Graduation Rate: 83.9%
Attendance: 91.6%
Dropout Rate: 7.7%
College ready: 64.7%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 46.3%
Average SAT: 1003 (below both County and National averages)

RMHS
Graduation Rate: 94.1%
Attendance: 93.5%
Dropout Rate: <5%
College ready: 79.5%
% Graduates scoring 3+ AP / 4+ IB: 60.3%
Average SAT: 1236 (above both County and National averages, but not at Whitman, Churchill, Wootton, Poolesville-levels)

Go by facts, not what's posted here on DCUMS. Just because an anonymous blogger says this or that doesn't mean it's true.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Blair

Blair take way too much pride in a few hundred kids who are mostly bused in and don't reflect the majority of the school be it demographically, scholastically or geographically. They don't put magnet programs in schools without problems. That is fine, just don't pretend you don't have a problem.

Poolesville was about to close due to lack of kids. Blair has the most kids in the county, I wonder what their problem was?

Whatever the “problem” was back in the 80s when the magnet started, how is it relevant some 40 years later?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Seems like that may have been a mistake. The college outcomes published by MoCo360 show that RMIB is far stronger than any W.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Richard Montgomery. With IB it is worse than Rockville and Magruder. Quince Orchard already surpasses it with IB.

Agree! And their IB dept is not good.

Is this information based on sound data? Their college admission numbers appear good.

My DS got into RMIB and we declined- staying at our W school and as parents we keep wondering if we made the right decision. For us, the fact that their CS dept was weak was a big deciding factor.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The county released SAT averages by HS and demographic cohort a few years ago. By using race as a proxy for SES differences you could get a more nuanced sense of how these schools stack up. For example, the SAT average for the largest cohort common to these schools was,

Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173

It’s so eye-opening to realize things aren't always as they seem. The info is on page 8 at this link.
https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf

Yes. Very eye-opening how far behind "1326" was. The "1326" was the highest only for "White".

Poolesville was 1420 for Asian (the highest), 1380 for Black, and BCC was 1341 for 2+ races. All beat out the "1326", so..

The poster stated they were attempting to get an apples to apples comparison by looking at the largest cohort common to these schools.

Who wants a 7-year-old apple?

Little has changed since the county accidentally released that data. Further, it's the best we have to understand how these schools stack up by comparing the largest common cohorts as a proxy to SES we can better understand how their added value in how the same student might perform at one school or another.

Very strange to look only at white students in such a diverse district like MCPS, and make the assumption that all other groups are low SES.

The PP stated, they were looking at the largest demographic cohort common to these schools to get a fair comparison of how they stack up.