Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I am also reading here is that kids with lower Cogats and relatively average WISCs are getting in. And kids with skyrocketing WISCs and cogats are being denied. This is so lame. Happy for people whose kids have gotten in but this is fishy. It also varies clearly per school. Frankly, a school with majority Asian kids is much more competitive in terms of this stuff. Ironically, people move to these areas because these schools rank high (due to the test scores etc.) and their kids are held back because every other child is a 99 percenter. Bigger and diverse school populations leave more room to admit people with lower scores. I know this for a fact as I know multiple people in both of these environments. Now I see why people in the best neighborhoods and school districts move to private schools.

Buy a bigger/nicer house in a so-called "bad" (i.e. Title I) school district. Apply for AAP from your new school and gain easy admission to the Center. Sounds like a win-win!

We go to a Title 1 school with a 134 COGAT and 134 WISC and didn’t get in on appeal.

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Anonymous wrote:My son did not get in on appeal. (Grade 3) To me, it is RIDICULOUS and I agree. DEMAND Re-evaluation. This makes NO SENSE. If there is a petition, I want to SIGN IT! I think due to Covid, less space in the programs!!!

NNAT (Dont remember but was high!)
COGAT (127)
WISC: 133 (99th Percentile)

My son is in Mensa, literally has a Patent Pending for a new game invention he created, and was recommended by a PhD who was an expert on gifted children and written text books (tutors my son) who said he is exceptionally gifted. He is an athlete, a musician, and an amazing public speaker. Does the kid have to be a CEO?

Mensa’s bar is not that high for kids. Your son’s cogat wasn’t at the benchmark and I assume if the nnat was at least at the benchmark, you’d have remembered the score.

I have no idea what you mean when you say your son’s tutor Is an expert on gifted kids.

It sounds like you think your son’s file was screaming gifted. It sounds to me more like it screamed YOU think he’s gifted. Please understand, I have no idea if he’s gifted or not. I’m just addressing how the file presented (with one score definitely above what is believed to be the cut off - wisc). The Mensa admission is duplicative of the wisc score since admission seems to be based on that. The LOR seems more like a throwaway; just saying they LOR is from an “expert” in gifted kids means it was likely not considered heavily. You don’t mention the gbrs.

My son’s school does NOT administer GBRS. Only notes, and not a specific score. I’m not saying he’s gifted. My point is that his score is high enough to be admitted into as ADVANCED program. This is NOT supposed to be a gifted program. And why are kids with lower scores getting in?? My point in Nensa is that they DO allow kids in with a certain IQ. But yet not good enough for the school ? My son has Multiple other activities and referrals at which he has excelled. I’m not just speaking for him. I’m speaking for kids who are even MORE deserving than him here with WISCs of 147 and 149 being rejected. Please explain the logic. In fact, Cogats are commonly prepped for. NOT the WISC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My son did not get in on appeal. (Grade 3) To me, it is RIDICULOUS and I agree. DEMAND Re-evaluation. This makes NO SENSE. If there is a petition, I want to SIGN IT! I think due to Covid, less space in the programs!!!

NNAT (Dont remember but was high!)
COGAT (127)
WISC: 133 (99th Percentile)

My son is in Mensa, literally has a Patent Pending for a new game invention he created, and was recommended by a PhD who was an expert on gifted children and written text books (tutors my son) who said he is exceptionally gifted. He is an athlete, a musician, and an amazing public speaker. Does the kid have to be a CEO?

Mensa’s bar is not that high for kids. Your son’s cogat wasn’t at the benchmark and I assume if the nnat was at least at the benchmark, you’d have remembered the score.

I have no idea what you mean when you say your son’s tutor Is an expert on gifted kids.

It sounds like you think your son’s file was screaming gifted. It sounds to me more like it screamed YOU think he’s gifted. Please understand, I have no idea if he’s gifted or not. I’m just addressing how the file presented (with one score definitely above what is believed to be the cut off - wisc). The Mensa admission is duplicative of the wisc score since admission seems to be based on that. The LOR seems more like a throwaway; just saying they LOR is from an “expert” in gifted kids means it was likely not considered heavily. You don’t mention the gbrs.

Typo above- the cogat WAS at the Mensa cut off. Not by much though...

Anonymous wrote:What I am also reading here is that kids with lower Cogats and relatively average WISCs are getting in. And kids with skyrocketing WISCs and cogats are being denied. This is so lame. Happy for people whose kids have gotten in but this is fishy. It also varies clearly per school. Frankly, a school with majority Asian kids is much more competitive in terms of this stuff. Ironically, people move to these areas because these schools rank high (due to the test scores etc.) and their kids are held back because every other child is a 99 percenter. Bigger and diverse school populations leave more room to admit people with lower scores. I know this for a fact as I know multiple people in both of these environments. Now I see why people in the best neighborhoods and school districts move to private schools.

Buy a bigger/nicer house in a so-called "bad" (i.e. Title I) school district. Apply for AAP from your new school and gain easy admission to the Center. Sounds like a win-win!

Anonymous wrote:My son did not get in on appeal. (Grade 3) To me, it is RIDICULOUS and I agree. DEMAND Re-evaluation. This makes NO SENSE. If there is a petition, I want to SIGN IT! I think due to Covid, less space in the programs!!!

NNAT (Dont remember but was high!)
COGAT (127)
WISC: 133 (99th Percentile)

My son is in Mensa, literally has a Patent Pending for a new game invention he created, and was recommended by a PhD who was an expert on gifted children and written text books (tutors my son) who said he is exceptionally gifted. He is an athlete, a musician, and an amazing public speaker. Does the kid have to be a CEO?

Mensa’s bar is not that high for kids. Your son’s cogat wasn’t at the benchmark and I assume if the nnat was at least at the benchmark, you’d have remembered the score.

I have no idea what you mean when you say your son’s tutor Is an expert on gifted kids.

It sounds like you think your son’s file was screaming gifted. It sounds to me more like it screamed YOU think he’s gifted. Please understand, I have no idea if he’s gifted or not. I’m just addressing how the file presented (with one score definitely above what is believed to be the cut off - wisc). The Mensa admission is duplicative of the wisc score since admission seems to be based on that. The LOR seems more like a throwaway; just saying they LOR is from an “expert” in gifted kids means it was likely not considered heavily. You don’t mention the gbrs.

Anonymous wrote:When we talked to our principal she said that the kids with the highest COGAT scores from the school were rejected but some kids who were not in the pool with scores around 110 - 115 were accepted.

My principal just passed my email to the AAP board who wrote some cookie cutter response on a holistic approach.

When we talked to our principal she said that the kids with the highest COGAT scores from the school were rejected but some kids who were not in the pool with scores around 110 - 115 were accepted.

My kid literally IS in Mensa. He got rejected. 🙄

my daughter also had WISC 142, great LOR from coach added and really good work samples. Also didn't get in. We plan to switch to Potomac. I am very interested in petition or whatever else we can do. Get it going!

NNAT 160 Cogat 128 WICS 129 Submitted worksamples, recommendations. Did not get in. Kid changed school last year. Teacher was new in school had limited teaching experience, later left the schgool. Ignored the children and gave bad gbrs report with no feedback to parents. Later dragged kid to IEP which I declined and pulled child out of school. I can only say FCPS standard have stooped to an all time low. Parents are now seeking private education to fill up the gaps. Education is unnecessary made complex without understanding how parents comprehend and what tools children have to study. When we talk about fairness and every child matters. Sorry FCPS has shown poor quality standards. This is simple one reason parents and children will get stressed with education systems. Failed system. On other had I have seen excellent teachers hard to find for sure who are trained with experience who uplift any child from any race and bring the best. FCPS has lost that glory. Poor process, poor staff management is recently and confusion on how they will address communication with parents and children. Children are at receiving end. FCPS I thought had a high bar has lot it's glory to other states where children are getting better education.

OMG. Please look at Hoagie’s Gifted site and also Davidson Academy in Reno as a PP mentioned. You need to look into private schools (e.g. any Smith) or homeschooling to meet your child’s needs.

DD didn't get in.
DD with 147 WISC (99.9 percentile) and all sub categories scored extremely high. Shocked. no words.
DD got the pool letter and good COGAT and NNat scores as well.

In 2nd grade DC had Math Quantile 705 and reading Lexie 820, in highest reading group in class and pull out math, nnat 160 and cogat 149, in pool and we didn’t submit anything and was in AAP. Frankly we were worried that we didn’t submit anything but we didn’t know what to submit. We did prep for the test by doing testing mom during summer 10 question a day for 3-4 times a week. DC reads a lot of books and we also got some workbook to practice math. We think there may be just too many high performance kids out there so not everyone can get in. We are Asian if it matters, and DC is at a center school.

Anonymous wrote:This is the thing I find perplexing about all of it. Kids take a beginning of year math reasoning test. They also take iready. DRA is capped at one year above grade level, but it shouldn't be. As flawed as iready is, it pretty readily identifies kids who are far above grade level.

I'm the 11:21 PP, and my highly gifted child scored a 580 on iready math and a 610 on reading in 2nd grade, which are both well above grade level. He also had over 140 on both CogAT and WISC FSIQ. The teacher still gave a low GBRS. My high GBRS, more normal AAP kid has always scored at the high end of on-grade-level.

If your kid was rejected with a high FSIQ and/or CogAT, how advanced is your child? Does your child have maxed out DRA? High iready scores? Is your child doing things well above grade level? I can kind of understand rejecting kids with high test scores who are not advanced, but it's mindboggling to me to reject kids who are both very advanced and have high IQs.

I can tell you for my kid with 140+ Cogat and 140+ Wisc, tested at above grade reading and high end of in grade math. This was based on teacher conference in the beginning of school year.

What I am also reading here is that kids with lower Cogats and relatively average WISCs are getting in. And kids with skyrocketing WISCs and cogats are being denied. This is so lame. Happy for people whose kids have gotten in but this is fishy. It also varies clearly per school. Frankly, a school with majority Asian kids is much more competitive in terms of this stuff. Ironically, people move to these areas because these schools rank high (due to the test scores etc.) and their kids are held back because every other child is a 99 percenter. Bigger and diverse school populations leave more room to admit people with lower scores. I know this for a fact as I know multiple people in both of these environments. Now I see why people in the best neighborhoods and school districts move to private schools.