Anonymous
07/14/2020 14:08
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
This. It is the elephant in the room. Most people DO notice this and they know it.
Anyone with half a brain has a serious issue with police brutality and systemic racism. BUT most people also are well aware that AAs are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in this country. Where are the people marching about black on black crime? Yes, I get that the police are held to a higher standard or should be than the average person. But people still can't ignore the criminal activity and lack of agency. I can assure you this is what the "silent majority" thinks. Why would most people want to support a movement that in their eyes represents violence and crime?
And you still won't ask Why? That's the problem. By not caring about the fact that an entire system has created a hopeless and depressed situation for a segment of a population, you're showing that the people don't matter to you. Its just another excuse to further cast off an entire group of people as inherently violent. And, oh by the way -ever think that what you're looking at is the percentage of people arrested for crime and not the percentage that's committing it? If over-policing is one of the problems, look at why Blacks are actually arrested more than Whites. Its a proven fact that White people commit just as much crime as Black people, wherever you live. But taking statistics without the perspective of the entire population of the area is just disingenuous and a way to fit the narrative that you've created.
You’re framing the problem as though 100% of the cause of black criminality and violence stems from historical and current structural inequalities in the system and frankly that’s dishonest and strips every black person of their agency. I don’t think anybody who is paying attention doubts that these structural barriers exist, but there is zero interest in discussing much less addressing the immense cultural problems that also contribute to the insanely high black on black crime rate. The PP highlighted the need for police reforms so she’s an ally on that front. Your focus on parsing statistics at the margin while ignoring the enduring vastness of the problem is the sort of indifference that causes fatigue amongst allies on the broader racial inequity issue.
Well said. Thank you for taking the time to explain this nuance.
If we allow Black people the "agency" to have a criminal element just as every other race or group has a criminal element, then this is not a "cultural" thing. Humans have criminal elements and Black people are not immune to that. If you add a depressed condition generated by structural inequities on top of that element, you end up with a higher crime rate. The problem with calling this a "cultural" situation is that you're implying that Black people are inherently more violent, despite their circumstances and that is not true. If the crime was a part of the culture, why doesn't the same phenomenon of Black on Black crime occur in wealthy Black neighborhoods? It doesn't and I know because I've lived in several.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 13:55
Subject: Re:How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
By living in a sheltered suburb.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 13:54
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What about the prevalence of racism against white people in the DMV?
Racism, prejudice and bias are three different things.
Only as of the last 5-10 years when the term “racism” was redefined to only apply to white people. I grew up here in DC and it’s common to experience anti-white hatred.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 11:19
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:What about the prevalence of racism against white people in the DMV?
Racism, prejudice and bias are three different things.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 11:19
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:What about the prevalence of racism against white people in the DMV?
Where is this happening? The KKK had a base in Thurmont, MD. D.C. was a Black city hence “Chocolate City” being the nickname for decades.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 11:07
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
What about the prevalence of racism against white people in the DMV?
Anonymous
07/14/2020 10:57
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
This. It is the elephant in the room. Most people DO notice this and they know it.
Anyone with half a brain has a serious issue with police brutality and systemic racism. BUT most people also are well aware that AAs are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in this country. Where are the people marching about black on black crime? Yes, I get that the police are held to a higher standard or should be than the average person. But people still can't ignore the criminal activity and lack of agency. I can assure you this is what the "silent majority" thinks. Why would most people want to support a movement that in their eyes represents violence and crime?
And you still won't ask Why? That's the problem. By not caring about the fact that an entire system has created a hopeless and depressed situation for a segment of a population, you're showing that the people don't matter to you. Its just another excuse to further cast off an entire group of people as inherently violent. And, oh by the way -ever think that what you're looking at is the percentage of people arrested for crime and not the percentage that's committing it? If over-policing is one of the problems, look at why Blacks are actually arrested more than Whites. Its a proven fact that White people commit just as much crime as Black people, wherever you live. But taking statistics without the perspective of the entire population of the area is just disingenuous and a way to fit the narrative that you've created.
You’re framing the problem as though 100% of the cause of black criminality and violence stems from historical and current structural inequalities in the system and frankly that’s dishonest and strips every black person of their agency. I don’t think anybody who is paying attention doubts that these structural barriers exist, but there is zero interest in discussing much less addressing the immense cultural problems that also contribute to the insanely high black on black crime rate. The PP highlighted the need for police reforms so she’s an ally on that front. Your focus on parsing statistics at the margin while ignoring the enduring vastness of the problem is the sort of indifference that causes fatigue amongst allies on the broader racial inequity issue.
Well said. Thank you for taking the time to explain this nuance.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 09:43
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
This. It is the elephant in the room. Most people DO notice this and they know it.
Anyone with half a brain has a serious issue with police brutality and systemic racism. BUT most people also are well aware that AAs are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in this country. Where are the people marching about black on black crime? Yes, I get that the police are held to a higher standard or should be than the average person. But people still can't ignore the criminal activity and lack of agency. I can assure you this is what the "silent majority" thinks. Why would most people want to support a movement that in their eyes represents violence and crime?
And you still won't ask Why? That's the problem. By not caring about the fact that an entire system has created a hopeless and depressed situation for a segment of a population, you're showing that the people don't matter to you. Its just another excuse to further cast off an entire group of people as inherently violent. And, oh by the way -ever think that what you're looking at is the percentage of people arrested for crime and not the percentage that's committing it? If over-policing is one of the problems, look at why Blacks are actually arrested more than Whites. Its a proven fact that White people commit just as much crime as Black people, wherever you live. But taking statistics without the perspective of the entire population of the area is just disingenuous and a way to fit the narrative that you've created.
You’re framing the problem as though 100% of the cause of black criminality and violence stems from historical and current structural inequalities in the system and frankly that’s dishonest and strips every black person of their agency. I don’t think anybody who is paying attention doubts that these structural barriers exist, but there is zero interest in discussing much less addressing the immense cultural problems that also contribute to the insanely high black on black crime rate. The PP highlighted the need for police reforms so she’s an ally on that front. Your focus on parsing statistics at the margin while ignoring the enduring vastness of the problem is the sort of indifference that causes fatigue amongst allies on the broader racial inequity issue.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 07:51
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
Similar experience here. I took many hours of critical race theory and civil rights law in college, but living in DC has led me to some uncomfortable realizations. There honestly are some differences between urban Black culture and the predominant culture that make it hard for the two to coexist. I’m not saying either is right or wrong, just that they’re different and they sometimes clash.
Similar view here as well. I
Anyone care to elaborate on the bolded above? I suspect the answer isn't very PC.
Here’s the difference: money. Socioeconomics. Class.
The lawyer pp who took critical race theory classes, etc. isn’t a racist. She has no bias against the black lawyers at work, the black family in her nice neighborhood, or the black kids at school.
She does, however, take issue with the low class subcultural black norm of single parents, drugs, violence, crime, etc.
Again, the distinguishing factor is socioeconomics, not race.
Anonymous
07/14/2020 06:51
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ya'll DC is in the deep south. Virginia was the capitol of the Confederacy. Have you never looked up at Lee Mansion on the hill in Arlington?
You don’t understand what “Deep South” means - Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Georgia. Not the DC region. NoVa had both Union and Confederate troops stationed there throughout the Civil War.
Maryland was part of the Union but still a border state with slavery. The Eastern Shore of Maryland was full of planters who were Confederate sympathizers.
Union troops were not stationed in Virginia, they were an occupying force in a Confederate state. Virginia is a southern state although not the Deep South. It’s like Kentucky, the Carolinas, and Georgia
Anonymous
07/13/2020 23:11
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
It’s easy if you grew up in a segregated neighborhood or club. You realize that some clubs and neighborhoods in this area did not allow certain non-white
non-Christian people? If you grew up thinking that is okay you may still think it is okay.
Anonymous
07/13/2020 22:47
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
Similar experience here. I took many hours of critical race theory and civil rights law in college, but living in DC has led me to some uncomfortable realizations. There honestly are some differences between urban Black culture and the predominant culture that make it hard for the two to coexist. I’m not saying either is right or wrong, just that they’re different and they sometimes clash.
Similar view here as well. I
Anyone care to elaborate on the bolded above? I suspect the answer isn't very PC.
I can't think of a way to answer this question that won't get me banned, nor can I find any writings to link to, because discussing this is completely taboo.
So here is a Washington Post article about Obama's outreach to young Black men while he was president. It illustrates some of the culture alluded to in posts above. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/chicago-teens-stories-on-becoming-a-man-leave-a-mark-on-the-president/2014/02/09/8808c336-82b8-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html All of the quotes below are from the Post, so please don't shoot the messenger.
Scates was hanging on by a thread. Bouncing from his mother’s home to his father’s home to his grandmother’s home, he had faced constant suspensions for being late and dropped out of school for months. He blamed his bad behavior on getting “abandoned by my family,” not being “loved as a child should be loved.” And when that anger rose to the top, “like a balloon, it just explodes.”
That led to gang life, he said. “I was surrounded by know-nothing people. People who didn’t want to do anything with their lives. You see the violence. You see the — excuse the language — hookers. You see the crackheads. You see the crack babies.”
That day last February with Obama, Scates sat directly to the president’s left and told him how he grew sick of street life and returned to school, striving to graduate on time.
“What motivated you?” the president asked.
“I just told him that staying focused, committed, the BAM program helped me out along the way, as well,” Scates recalled. “I wanted it for myself.”
“I used to play football because I was angry. Knocking someone down and hitting them felt good,” Daniels had told Obama back at Hyde Park. The president had shot back: “What happens when you get older and you can’t hit people anymore?”
One of the best-known men in the world also urged them to think beyond fame in sports or music. The president did the odds for the young men — calculating how many professional basketball athletes there are and the probability they’d make it that far. “You’ve got to have a Plan B,” he told them.
Turner was primarily concerned with graduating. He has put off, for now, the idea of college and, contrary to the president’s advice, is hoping for a career in music. “He said, ‘Don’t let music be your only option,’ ” Turner said. “I don’t mean any disrespect, but I like music a lot, so you might as well make it.
“Then again, like he was saying, I should have a fallback plan,” Turner said. He’s still thinking about what it would be.
Scates, too, continues to plan a career in music. “I want to be able to run my own record label one day,” he said.
But right now, living with his grandmother, he’s struggling to balance a job as a clerk at the local liquor store while testing out a community college. “College isn’t for everybody,” he said. “I just want to see if it fits who I am.”
He still thinks about the meetings with the president, but less each day.
“Those are good moments, but what is it? It’s a memory, that’s all it is,” Scates said. “I remember when I went to see the president. But now what do I do? I’m still living the life I’m living.”
I remember this article because it was incredible to me that direct, personal intervention by THE SITTING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES couldn't convince these kids to focus on school and pursue a more realistic career path (even as a fallback) instead of counting on becoming rap stars.
Anonymous
07/13/2020 19:09
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
Similar experience here. I took many hours of critical race theory and civil rights law in college, but living in DC has led me to some uncomfortable realizations. There honestly are some differences between urban Black culture and the predominant culture that make it hard for the two to coexist. I’m not saying either is right or wrong, just that they’re different and they sometimes clash.
Similar view here as well. I
Anyone care to elaborate on the bolded above? I suspect the answer isn't very PC.
Not PP, but here is one example. If a white man came into my (mostly) white neighborhood and shot a couple of people including a child during a neighborhood bbq, I can tell you that EVERYONE would assist in help, capture and punishment of said criminal.
When that same scenario happens in reverse; black man, black neighborhood, black victims the “culture “ is to defend the murderer and stay silent.
uh.. no.. I think it depends on who the shooter is. If the black man is part of a gang, yes, there will be hesitation to report it out of fear. But if not, then I don't think most black people would want that person on the streets walking around.
Anonymous
07/13/2020 18:55
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
Similar experience here. I took many hours of critical race theory and civil rights law in college, but living in DC has led me to some uncomfortable realizations. There honestly are some differences between urban Black culture and the predominant culture that make it hard for the two to coexist. I’m not saying either is right or wrong, just that they’re different and they sometimes clash.
Similar view here as well. I
Anyone care to elaborate on the bolded above? I suspect the answer isn't very PC.
Not PP, but here is one example. If a white man came into my (mostly) white neighborhood and shot a couple of people including a child during a neighborhood bbq, I can tell you that EVERYONE would assist in help, capture and punishment of said criminal.
When that same scenario happens in reverse; black man, black neighborhood, black victims the “culture “ is to defend the murderer and stay silent.
Anonymous
07/13/2020 18:34
Subject: How can someone be born and raised in the DC area yet still be racist?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would say one would have had plenty of positive and negative interactions with people of all shades, creeds, races in this region.
Honest question, how can someone still have such views when the area is so diverse?
Unfortunate realization: virtually 99% of all crime in DC is committed by youngish black males. I returned here after college fully woke and somewhat strident about it, but over the last many years, I've reached the point where I can't reconcile the progressive dogma with the realty of DC's crime statistics. And I really have no patience left for street criminals and shooters.
I don't think noticing this makes me racist, but I'm sure others disagree.
Similar experience here. I took many hours of critical race theory and civil rights law in college, but living in DC has led me to some uncomfortable realizations. There honestly are some differences between urban Black culture and the predominant culture that make it hard for the two to coexist. I’m not saying either is right or wrong, just that they’re different and they sometimes clash.
Similar view here as well. I
Anyone care to elaborate on the bolded above? I suspect the answer isn't very PC.