Anonymous
06/14/2020 18:28
Subject: Re:Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We need a standard for memorialization. It can’t be perfection (unless it’s a statue of Jesus/Allah/etc.)—maybe the standard is being on the right side of history?
Who determines what the right side of history is? Hitler believed he was on the right side of history until the day he died.
Society does. The point of getting a statue isn't that a person was Good Enough according to some objective standard. The point of the society decides, collectively, that this person and their contributions are the kind we want to hold up as positive and worthy of emulation. The problem we have now is a combination of changing standards for a large portion of the population and the fact that the original decision to put up the statues was made without the input of people impacted by the people being commemorated. Indeed, in the case of Confederate statues they were put up by regimes that were violently oppressive of a major segment of society with the purpose of commemirating that oppression. You don't need to establish an objective standard of "progress" to justify removing those.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 18:06
Subject: Re:Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:We need a standard for memorialization. It can’t be perfection (unless it’s a statue of Jesus/Allah/etc.)—maybe the standard is being on the right side of history?
Who determines what the right side of history is? Hitler believed he was on the right side of history until the day he died.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 15:12
Subject: Re:Christopher Columbus statues
A quote regarding monuments for victims of lynching, so slightly different from this situation, but a quote that pertains nonetheless: “The public narrative a nation creates about what is important is reflected in memorials and monuments. Who is honored, what is remembered, what is memorialized tells a story about a society that can’t be reflected in other ways.
–Bryan Stevenson, EJI Executive Director”
https://eji.org/projects/community-historical-marker-project/
So I’m essence what Native descendants have been saying for decades, and what some people refuse to recognize, is that celebrating the man who murdered thousands and opened up the Americas on the note of theft and genocide, is telling Native Americans that they don’t matter, that violence against them didn’t matter then and doesn’t matter now so long as is serves someone else’s material gain.
–Bryan Stevenson, EJI Executive Director”
https://eji.org/projects/community-historical-marker-project/
So I’m essence what Native descendants have been saying for decades, and what some people refuse to recognize, is that celebrating the man who murdered thousands and opened up the Americas on the note of theft and genocide, is telling Native Americans that they don’t matter, that violence against them didn’t matter then and doesn’t matter now so long as is serves someone else’s material gain.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 15:07
Subject: Re:Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the reasoning behind renaming schools and moving statues is sound, if people really believe in it, then it needs to apply across the board.
Mount Rushmore will probably go last, but it has to go too.
Mt. Rushmore is a work of art and definitely one of the many made wonders of the world. Destroying statutes does not erase history.
The statues are works of art as well.
So was the mural that was painted over in a school last year. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/us/san-francisco-mural-slaves-native-americans-trnd/index.html
Liberals seem to destroy everything they touch.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90137202/hey-remember-when-trump-destroyed-precious-art-history
Donald Trump isn’t liberal. He’s just a jerk.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 14:26
Subject: Re:Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the reasoning behind renaming schools and moving statues is sound, if people really believe in it, then it needs to apply across the board.
Mount Rushmore will probably go last, but it has to go too.
Mt. Rushmore is a work of art and definitely one of the many made wonders of the world. Destroying statutes does not erase history.
The statues are works of art as well.
So was the mural that was painted over in a school last year. https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/26/us/san-francisco-mural-slaves-native-americans-trnd/index.html
Liberals seem to destroy everything they touch.
Anonymous
Anonymous
06/14/2020 14:22
Subject: Re:Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:If the reasoning behind renaming schools and moving statues is sound, if people really believe in it, then it needs to apply across the board.
Mount Rushmore will probably go last, but it has to go too.
Mt. Rushmore is a work of art and definitely one of the many made wonders of the world. Destroying statutes does not erase history.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 14:17
Subject: Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did that teacher get by vetting?
Are you suggesting we screen teachers for incorrect political opinions.
DP
No. Just criminal behavior.
The scary thing is that some school systems would probably hire him BECAUSE of this charge.
And, I say this as a former public school teacher.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 13:03
Subject: Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:How did that teacher get by vetting?
Are you suggesting we screen teachers for incorrect political opinions.
Anonymous
06/14/2020 12:50
Subject: Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:How did that teacher get by vetting?
Maybe he got “by” vetting the same way all of the criminals in Trump World didn’t get security clearances and then Donald made sure they got one.
Orrrrrrr pulling down statues of the man who began 500+ years of genocide isn’t the worst thing in the world the GOP continues the genocide against Native Americans, you know. Or do you think they’re keeping the federal funds promised to the tribes from them out of some honest place?
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Anonymous
06/14/2020 12:28
Subject: Christopher Columbus statues
How did that teacher get by vetting?
Anonymous
06/14/2020 10:55
Subject: Christopher Columbus statues
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:THIS is the best thing I've read all day - https://www.latimes.com/nation/bs-md-ci-monuments-removed-20170816-story.html
The Lee-Jackson statue was erected in 1948 after a $100,000 donation from Baltimorean J. Henry Ferguson. Ferguson’s father was a friend of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
“They were great generals and great Christian soldiers,” Ferguson said at the time.
Three thousand people, including then-Gov. William Preston Lane Jr. and Baltimore Mayor Thomas D’Alesandro Jr., attended the dedication.
“Today, with our nation beset by subversive groups and propaganda which seeks to destroy our national unity, we can look for inspiration to the lives of Lee and Jackson to remind us to be resolute and determined in preserving our sacred institutions,” D’Alesandro said at the time.
Um, this happened years ago.
and?
Notice how antsy Nancy is dealing with these statues. lol - Girlfriend wants them down before someone connects Papa's actions to Nance.
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