Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 17:04     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?



Ok, but you would still have cops responding to your incidents that involve violent crime, so how would that change the situation?


It would leave cops to do ONLY cop work, and not put on them the extra burdens they currently have being crisis counselors, working to deescalate someone having a mental health break, etc. I think what people are saying is let cops be cops, but let others with the expertise handle the areas of their expertise, either before or after a cop gets involved. No one is saying make a social worker do a cop's job. But don't make cops do a social worker's job either.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 17:03     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
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Who do you plan to send in the middle of exited delirium?
A social worker? A paramedic?


Honestly, what makes a police officer better-suited to help in this situation? It's not like they've received specialized training in how to deal with the mentally ill.


Exited delirium has NOTHING to do with a mental illness.
So, who do you plan to send in?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:59     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?


You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.


The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

What's the point of switching from police to the marshal service?


They're better trained. A lot of the issue is that the police aren't really good at some of the most difficult aspects of policing (jack of all trades, master of none). This leads to a lot of tension that escalates the situation.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:54     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
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What's the plan to deal with 300 lbs convicted felon high on meth and fentanyl that is resisting arrest?


Maybe...not arrest people over $20?

Sure, let them pay with counterfeit bills. It's a federal crime but who cares.
I would go even further with tolerance - let them poke pregnant women in the stomach with the gun during house robbery. If they don't shoot her and her unborn baby, let them go. No one died, so, who cares.


It was a real $20 bill.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:52     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?


You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.


The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?

What's the point of switching from police to the marshal service?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:46     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Feel free to start the defunding in the neighborhoods of those marching.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:39     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
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People rob banks because they don't bother to apply for Obamacare and because they don't have childcare?
That is rich.
Yeh, send social worker to calm down a violent felon.
Good luck.


Example I like to use is so you send a mental health worker to a non violent domestic situation. What happens if one party becomes violent? You run the possibility of having two potential victims instead of one. You still need a police officer at that point. The violence would have probably been prevented if the police had responded in the first place.


There are helplines for non violent situations already in place. All flavors - religious, youth, suicide, women. They can call.
When it gets violent and 911 is called what do a mental health worker gonna do? Yelp from behind an officer ''please refrain from slicing your wife, let me talk you out of it''?

ALL help for those who are willing to except it is already available.

The only change that I would like to see is bringing back state funded mental institutions.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:37     Subject: Re:Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:If we are going to defund the police in DC we need to pour an enormous amount of money into housing. HOUSING.

I work in DC Medicaid in case management. The number 1 (and 2, and 3 and 4 and 12 and 50th) concern of people who receive Medicaid in DC (which is basically a way of saying the "poor") is HOUSING.
I get 20 calls a day about housing a day. I call people about diabetes and they don't care. They need housing. I call the parents of kids with asthma and what do they want to talk about? Housing.
No one can afford to live here and the city pretty much does nothing. If I had dollar for everyone I talked to daily who was sleeping on a friend's couch, crashing with an aunt, sleeping on the streets I'd be wealthy in about a week.
It's IMPOSSIBLE to get city funded housing as a black male. The only ones who have any chance of getting off a list in under a decade (or ever) is a woman with young children.

The lack of affordable housing (and I mean affordable to people making under $25K) is what drives a TON of the crime and desperation in this city.
But no one wants to fix it because it costs a lot of money.

We need housing for people who make minimum wage. Not a few units for $400K in a development where the rest of the units go for $800K.


The rest of this is just putting a bandaid on a severed leg.

Camden NJ had a much easier problem to fix because they don't lack affordable housing. DC is up against a MAJOR issues here and it grows every year as the city gentrifies .





I wish we could get a few reasonable people together and figure this stuff out.

I was on a task force in my city once upon a time because of an issue with overflow in emergency rooms all around the city, and it was decided that what was needed was an intermediate crisis center with drug/alcohol detox available. Someone was able to secure $20 million between the city and philanthropists to make it happen.
Then somehow politics got involved, and we ended up with a new state of the art emergency room.

(I actually work there now. They couldn't find anyone to work in it, so they offered a ton of money. It's great for me, but it's not at all what our city needed.)

Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:36     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?


You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

It'll increase the funding of those social services that are designed to HELP people who need actual help instead of cops out to solve everything.
Did you see that jackass cop in Fairfax come out to a scene where a guy was in the midst of some drug-induced psychosis? Cop just came out and tasered him as opposed to try and help him.
Know why? Cause that's primarily what cops are trained to do - fire weapons and beat the shit out of people. That is one example of an instance where cops were NOT needed but because we rely on cops for everything more citizens than necessary are getting shot and getting the shit kicked out them.

Who do you plan to send in the middle of exited delirium?
A social worker? A paramedic?


Yes? The man was begging to go to detox. Instead he was electrocuted. I’m not sure how the situation could have been handled worse.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:35     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?

Why are you seeking clarification from anonymous people in cyberspace?
Why don't you call your local or state legislators and ask them.
They're the ones who'll be making the decisions of whether there will be reforms or whether there will be a reallocation of funds.
If you were genuinely interested you'd find out from credible sources. But you're not. You're bored and you just want entertainment.
And you're also scared. You want to voice your fears and vent your frustrations. I have some disappointing news for you. Change is inevitable.
The longer older you get the more changes you'll live to see. If change frightens you then your problem isn't liberals or protestors...it's life itself.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:30     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
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To answer PP's question: police aren't very good at preventing things like bank robberies or domestic assaults. They're purely reactive. And even then, they're not very good at solving crime, either. We'd start by investing in things that reduce crime: universal health care (including prenatal care), subsidized childcare, free drug/alcohol treatment for those that want it, and mental heath care workers in EVERY school. And we'd create a new universe of "first responders" that are equipped to solve the issues you mentioned: think social workers, mental health professionals, domestic violence advocates, paramedics, crisis response workers, etc.

People rob banks because they don't bother to apply for Obamacare and because they don't have childcare?
That is rich.
Yeh, send social worker to calm down a violent felon.
Good luck.


Wowww you’re really afraid that less police will cause the black people to come after you and makes you more vulnerable to violence by black people, aren’t you? You need to ask yourself why you are so against resolving the root issues of crime instead of just policing the hell out of anyone you deem a threat. You have some deep-seated biases surfacing.

Let me tell you something. Majority of black people are scared out of their pants by this proposal. I am talking about home and business owners, single women living by themselves, late shift workers, police officers and millions of others.

Besides, most bank robbers are white.
You tried to make it racial, but failed.
Try an upgraded version.
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:29     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?


You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.


I am not sure about this, but I sincerely doubt that reallocating funds from the police will suddenly result in allocating funds to other social services.
This same argument was made in the 70's for shutting down all of the state mental health hospitals. They were going to use the money spent in running these facilities on community mental health. Anyone been to a mental health group home or community mental health center lately? Does it look like it's heavily funded?
If people wanted to allocate funds to social services, they would. They don't. It has nothing at all to do with how much money is going to the police.

Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:27     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Try this for an intro - it's John Oliver, so 30 minutes of education with enough humor mixed in.

https://youtu.be/Wf4cea5oObY
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:25     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Defund the police doesn't mean literally get rid of police and having no more police (a few mean that but most don't). It means that police are now responsible for areas that they didn't used to be, including mental health crises, homelessness, drug issues, school behavior issues, etc. that should be handled by other social services.

Defund the police means to shift some of the police budgets from the police to other social services, including community centers, youth leagues, social workers, home nurses and therapists, etc. Municipal funds can and should be reexamined and redistributed to invest in cities, not just tanks for police departments. What would you want to see to make your area a better place?

What can go wrong ?


You think reallocating funds will result in more police killing people in chokeholds? Really?

No I think reallocating funds will result in thugs killing, raping and robbing more law abiding citizens.


The police don't stop criminals from doing much of this, though. They do a lot of apprehending criminals after the fact but couldn't that be handled by the marshal service or something like that?


Why would it matter whether its a marshal service or police officer? The only difference is the name. Its form over substance.

Marshals are trained better.


So train the officers better?
Anonymous
Post 06/08/2020 16:23     Subject: Can someone explain “defund” the police vs police reform?
Anonymous wrote:
What's the plan to deal with 300 lbs convicted felon high on meth and fentanyl that is resisting arrest?


Maybe...not arrest people over $20?

Sure, let them pay with counterfeit bills. It's a federal crime but who cares.
I would go even further with tolerance - let them poke pregnant women in the stomach with the gun during house robbery. If they don't shoot her and her unborn baby, let them go. No one died, so, who cares.