Anonymous wrote:China is lying.

They are no longer testing potential cases. They don’t want to show new cases unless they are from foreigners. Chinese social media is full of stories of people turned away and deaths being listed as pneumonia but without a COVID test taking place.

Sounds like the US. Lying and not testing.

Anonymous wrote:China is lying.

They are no longer testing potential cases. They don’t want to show new cases unless they are from foreigners. Chinese social media is full of stories of people turned away and deaths being listed as pneumonia but without a COVID test taking place.

i don't trust china either. SK yes. but china no. they are extremely invested in proving that 1) they didn't cause all this 2) that they are handling it better than others, especially USA.

China is lying.

They are no longer testing potential cases. They don’t want to show new cases unless they are from foreigners. Chinese social media is full of stories of people turned away and deaths being listed as pneumonia but without a COVID test taking place.

”Health care professionals are grappling with two major challenges that could be unnecessarily increasing their patient load, according to Dr. Glenn Raup, the executive director of Emergency Behavioral and Observation Services at St. Joseph Hospital in Orange, California. The first challenge is that misinformation is resulting in people thinking they are at higher risk than they actually are. The second challenge is that this belief means they are coming into emergency rooms unnecessarily.”

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/emergency-room-director-explains-two-biggest-challenges-coronavirus-183809500.html

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Anonymous wrote:Can you all please stop holding China up as the shining example of how we should handle things?

It just sounds so clueless...

And yet they did a better job than we are doing. In China, OP would have been tested. Too bad she lives in a shithole country.

You really are clueless. Maybe go spend a week in China and then you can come back and tell us what a great a country it is. Heck, move there if it's so fantastic.

We are so much healthier in this country and it really does look as though Americans are not being hit as hard by this virus. That is such great news.

I didn’t say it was a great country. I just said they handled the outbreak better than we are doing. It’s a good thing we may not get as hard - even mire innocent lives would be lost due to the criminal mismanagement of our response.

They first off, didn't know what they were dealing with at first. Secondly, their citizens are apparently not in good health (smoking and bad pollution) and, finally, at least one disabled teen was left to die alone in an apartment and toddlers were left alone to fend for themselves when their caregivers were quarantined away in a hospital. Plus, I have read on this thread were the Chinese people were literally shooting their citizens for daring to come out of their homes. That is horrific.

By comparison, Trump has made some good calls which have limited the damage in our country. We appear to faring much better than other parts of the world and we should be grateful for that. I think that as long as our local leaders behave responsibly and with sound judgement we will get through this ordeal and we will recover economically from it.

I am glad that Trump has done the right thing and resisted the pressure to over react in a heavy handed and damaging way. I know it's early to call it and that viruses can be unpredictable but...this really does not seem to be as bad as initially feared.

I live in Florida - land of the cruise ships, theme parks, beaches, major tourist destination and we have had 5 deaths from this virus so far which is terrible but it's not the catastrophic numbers that one might expect given the situation. I am really hoping and praying that things will return to normal soon.

Newsflash: hoping and praying won’t save lives.

Trump has done crappy job and that will result in more people DYING.

Link?

You need a link???! As of a week ago, he was still calling it a hoax!

This list was as of 5 days ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/five-times-the-trump-administration-downplayed-the-coronavirus-2020-3

In no way has Trump done the right thing.

What he has done is lie and dog whistle to his unbelievable idiot base.

Between his lies during press conferences and his in ability to act in December because the “virus is under control” is astounding.

As the hospital tents keep appearing and our medical staff die off ( yes this is happening in a Boston they are desperate for supplies) keep supporting Trump, because he’s on his way to be a King of nothing.

There *are*, in fact, tests on this planet. People who are saying there are no tests are wrong. There just aren't tests in the US, and the ones we do have are being saved for the critically ill, health care workers, and apparently the NBA. At least the first two make sense, but even then there still aren't enough.

We all understand there is no treatment. I'm the poster who compared the "there is no treatment" crowd to the "it's just a bad flu" crowd, and my point was that in both cases people are thinking as individuals, concerned only with themselves. If you get covid, you will probably be fine, but no one actually gives a sht about you - the real issue is that you may spread the virus to someone who won't be fine. We are trying to protect the most vulnerable. This is about community and our moral obligations to one another.

Similarly, if you, a single individual, do not get a test, it will be fine. But again, no one gives a sht about any one individual here. The lack of tests - IN THE US, NOT ON PLANET EARTH - is a systemic failure indicative of larger problems that will prevent us from handling this properly and it is going to cost lives. Testing OP is not just for OP. It's also for the health care workers who interacted with her. You think they like not knowing whether or not she actually has it, whether or not they've been exposed? You think it's effective to take a health care worker offline while they wait two weeks to see whether or not they've been exposed (because guess who else can't get a test...)? You think it's helpful to send her back to her community without a clear answer for those she's been in contact with? You think the WHO is stressing testing just because it amuses them?

The problem with pandemics is that dealing with them requires that everyone NOT be a selfish, narcissistic a$$hole. It requires systemic, holistic thinking, which in this country basically makes you a communist. The US' downfall here will be that selfish narcissim is the very core of its entire being, with the most selfish, incompetent, narcissist of all leading the response.

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Anonymous wrote:Called three different doctors. Told there are now ZERO tests at GW, ZERO at Georgetown, DOH has no answers. Hoping for more tests to come in, but three of my PCP’s patients were turned away, just today, after waiting hours at GW.

I am white, wealthy, and have very good doctors. There are no tests right now.

Rich people with money to travel are going to be going to all the nice hospitals for testing. So of course those hospitals are going to run out of tests. Try a hospital that isn’t mentioned all the time on DCUM. We have tests as we aren’t using them much. Granted, that will eventually change.

Rich people are also more lkely to do things like international travel. The two biggest clusters so far here have been the Episcopalian Church and a Nile River Cruise. Go to hospitals where you don't think that crowd goes.

Anonymous wrote:Called three different doctors. Told there are now ZERO tests at GW, ZERO at Georgetown, DOH has no answers. Hoping for more tests to come in, but three of my PCP’s patients were turned away, just today, after waiting hours at GW.

I am white, wealthy, and have very good doctors. There are no tests right now.

Rich people with money to travel are going to be going to all the nice hospitals for testing. So of course those hospitals are going to run out of tests. Try a hospital that isn’t mentioned all the time on DCUM. We have tests as we aren’t using them much. Granted, that will eventually change.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you all please stop holding China up as the shining example of how we should handle things?

It just sounds so clueless...

And yet they did a better job than we are doing. In China, OP would have been tested. Too bad she lives in a shithole country.

You really are clueless. Maybe go spend a week in China and then you can come back and tell us what a great a country it is. Heck, move there if it's so fantastic.

We are so much healthier in this country and it really does look as though Americans are not being hit as hard by this virus. That is such great news.

I didn’t say it was a great country. I just said they handled the outbreak better than we are doing. It’s a good thing we may not get as hard - even mire innocent lives would be lost due to the criminal mismanagement of our response.

They first off, didn't know what they were dealing with at first. Secondly, their citizens are apparently not in good health (smoking and bad pollution) and, finally, at least one disabled teen was left to die alone in an apartment and toddlers were left alone to fend for themselves when their caregivers were quarantined away in a hospital. Plus, I have read on this thread were the Chinese people were literally shooting their citizens for daring to come out of their homes. That is horrific.

By comparison, Trump has made some good calls which have limited the damage in our country. We appear to faring much better than other parts of the world and we should be grateful for that. I think that as long as our local leaders behave responsibly and with sound judgement we will get through this ordeal and we will recover economically from it.

I am glad that Trump has done the right thing and resisted the pressure to over react in a heavy handed and damaging way. I know it's early to call it and that viruses can be unpredictable but...this really does not seem to be as bad as initially feared.

I live in Florida - land of the cruise ships, theme parks, beaches, major tourist destination and we have had 5 deaths from this virus so far which is terrible but it's not the catastrophic numbers that one might expect given the situation. I am really hoping and praying that things will return to normal soon.

Newsflash: hoping and praying won’t save lives.

Trump has done crappy job and that will result in more people DYING.

Link?

You need a link???! As of a week ago, he was still calling it a hoax!

This list was as of 5 days ago: https://www.businessinsider.com/five-times-the-trump-administration-downplayed-the-coronavirus-2020-3

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Anonymous wrote:Can you all please stop holding China up as the shining example of how we should handle things?

It just sounds so clueless...

And yet they did a better job than we are doing. In China, OP would have been tested. Too bad she lives in a shithole country.

You really are clueless. Maybe go spend a week in China and then you can come back and tell us what a great a country it is. Heck, move there if it's so fantastic.

We are so much healthier in this country and it really does look as though Americans are not being hit as hard by this virus. That is such great news.

I didn’t say it was a great country. I just said they handled the outbreak better than we are doing. It’s a good thing we may not get as hard - even mire innocent lives would be lost due to the criminal mismanagement of our response.

They first off, didn't know what they were dealing with at first. Secondly, their citizens are apparently not in good health (smoking and bad pollution) and, finally, at least one disabled teen was left to die alone in an apartment and toddlers were left alone to fend for themselves when their caregivers were quarantined away in a hospital. Plus, I have read on this thread were the Chinese people were literally shooting their citizens for daring to come out of their homes. That is horrific.

By comparison, Trump has made some good calls which have limited the damage in our country. We appear to faring much better than other parts of the world and we should be grateful for that. I think that as long as our local leaders behave responsibly and with sound judgement we will get through this ordeal and we will recover economically from it.

I am glad that Trump has done the right thing and resisted the pressure to over react in a heavy handed and damaging way. I know it's early to call it and that viruses can be unpredictable but...this really does not seem to be as bad as initially feared.

I live in Florida - land of the cruise ships, theme parks, beaches, major tourist destination and we have had 5 deaths from this virus so far which is terrible but it's not the catastrophic numbers that one might expect given the situation. I am really hoping and praying that things will return to normal soon.

Newsflash: hoping and praying won’t save lives.

Trump has done crappy job and that will result in more people DYING.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know anyone who has it? Any idea where you got it?

This is a stupid question at this point in time. With the lack of testing capability, we don't know who has it and who doesn't and its best to assume it is widespread and that's why folks need to STAY HOME! Slow the spread. We all know someone who has it right now, we just don't have the tests.

I understand six degrees and all of that, but where is this coming from?

Epidemiologists estimate that right now about 1% of the US population is infected

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html

This is a think piece, nothing based on evidence. The key thing this single professor at Hopkins says is “I think we have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now walking around in the United States.” Think is the key word. No evidence, just pure conjecture. Don't quote this stuff and stop spreading out and out misinformation. By the way 500,000 people is .1% of the US population, not anywhere near 1%. Math is your friend.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know anyone who has it? Any idea where you got it?

This is a stupid question at this point in time. With the lack of testing capability, we don't know who has it and who doesn't and its best to assume it is widespread and that's why folks need to STAY HOME! Slow the spread. We all know someone who has it right now, we just don't have the tests.

I understand six degrees and all of that, but where is this coming from?

Epidemiologists estimate that right now about 1% of the US population is infected

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html

500k would be .15%

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know anyone who has it? Any idea where you got it?

This is a stupid question at this point in time. With the lack of testing capability, we don't know who has it and who doesn't and its best to assume it is widespread and that's why folks need to STAY HOME! Slow the spread. We all know someone who has it right now, we just don't have the tests.

I understand six degrees and all of that, but where is this coming from?

Epidemiologists estimate that right now about 1% of the US population is infected

Link?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know anyone who has it? Any idea where you got it?

This is a stupid question at this point in time. With the lack of testing capability, we don't know who has it and who doesn't and its best to assume it is widespread and that's why folks need to STAY HOME! Slow the spread. We all know someone who has it right now, we just don't have the tests.

I understand six degrees and all of that, but where is this coming from?

Epidemiologists estimate that right now about 1% of the US population is infected

Link?

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Anonymous wrote:Can you all please stop holding China up as the shining example of how we should handle things?

It just sounds so clueless...

And yet they did a better job than we are doing. In China, OP would have been tested. Too bad she lives in a shithole country.

You really are clueless. Maybe go spend a week in China and then you can come back and tell us what a great a country it is. Heck, move there if it's so fantastic.

We are so much healthier in this country and it really does look as though Americans are not being hit as hard by this virus. That is such great news.

I didn’t say it was a great country. I just said they handled the outbreak better than we are doing. It’s a good thing we may not get as hard - even mire innocent lives would be lost due to the criminal mismanagement of our response.

They first off, didn't know what they were dealing with at first. Secondly, their citizens are apparently not in good health (smoking and bad pollution) and, finally, at least one disabled teen was left to die alone in an apartment and toddlers were left alone to fend for themselves when their caregivers were quarantined away in a hospital. Plus, I have read on this thread were the Chinese people were literally shooting their citizens for daring to come out of their homes. That is horrific.

By comparison, Trump has made some good calls which have limited the damage in our country. We appear to faring much better than other parts of the world and we should be grateful for that. I think that as long as our local leaders behave responsibly and with sound judgement we will get through this ordeal and we will recover economically from it.

I am glad that Trump has done the right thing and resisted the pressure to over react in a heavy handed and damaging way. I know it's early to call it and that viruses can be unpredictable but...this really does not seem to be as bad as initially feared.

I live in Florida - land of the cruise ships, theme parks, beaches, major tourist destination and we have had 5 deaths from this virus so far which is terrible but it's not the catastrophic numbers that one might expect given the situation. I am really hoping and praying that things will return to normal soon.

Newsflash: hoping and praying won’t save lives.

Trump has done crappy job and that will result in more people DYING.