Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 20:11     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How have we gotten to a place where we encourage millions of people to break the law and then reward them for doing so.

We look the other way when it results in low wages, poor working conditions and increased human trafficking, etc.

And Democrats want to call that ‘humane’?

Actually, it’s insane. And needs to end.


We got here because corporations and family businesses like the Trump organization prefer to hire illegal immigrants. Also Republicans kill any legislation to increase wages or implement e-verify.


AND because Democrats would like to increase their voter base by encouraging more illegal immigration. And, not aggravate their wealthy donors by cracking down on illegal immigration.

And, because Democrats have pushed to normalize illegal immigration. Democrats continue to push for more free services for illegal immigrants to incentivize them to risk their lives to come here.

Let's be honest.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 20:09     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.


Black people aren't dumb. They vote in the neighborhood of 90% for Democrats for a reason. Democrats sure aren't perfect, but Republican policies hurt them, and Republican voters look down on them.


DP. You’re right that African Americans are not dumb. Which is why many are catching on that Democrats simply pander to them yet continue to paint them (and treat them) as victims, which they are not. AA employment is the highest it’s ever been - under Trump. It’s been clear for a long time that Democrats are the ones who look down on AAs. They depend on that voting block, and that’s the *only* reason they pay lip service to “helping” AAs. Dems see them first and foremost as black people, whereas Republicans see them as people - Americans, to be specific.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 19:58     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Money. Stability.

When people feel stressed about money, it’s human nature to lash out at those perceived as getting a free ride or those perceived as a threat.

“I did everything right: worked hard in school, work hard at my job, pay my taxes, etc., so why should “those people” get a free ride?”

Trump knew this anger was bubbling under the surface because he literally paid staff to listen/watch conservative news/talk shows. He built a platform on this, and it worked. Why? Because even moderates and some liberals feel stretched and stressed, making them susceptible to his manipulative talking points.

This isn’t surprising. Racism and classism aren’t unique to America. Go look at Africa and South America and Asia. When economic inequality takes hold, people lash out to protect what they have. Human nature.

And the Dems aren’t exactly victims. The Dems on the Hill has a hand in the policies that have harmed the middle class. This started in the 1970s.


Except that they are not just ‘manipulative talking points’.

When I see my tax money going to support illegal immigrants in MoCo, so much so that my kids’ schools are hiring more and more ESOL/support teachers while cutting music and art - it is frustrating.

When I see my neighborhood being taken over by illegal rentals that house these illegal immigrants, I am frustrated.

When I see the huge increase in hit and runs caused by illegal immigrant drivers who have been given drivers licenses by the Democratic leadership, I am frustrated.

You can pretend that illegal immigration is not a problem because it does not directly affect you. But it does affect some of us, and Democratic rhetoric does not provide any legitimate solutions to the issue.

I don't even want to hear what you think of African-Americans.


I want to know where this person lives.


I live in a part of MoCo that is not Potomac or Bethesda. Really, people all over MoCo face these issues - Wheaton, Silver Spring, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Germantown, even Olney.


+1
Parts of Fairfax and Loudoun Co. too (Herndon, Annandale, Bailey’s Crossroads, Sterling).
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 19:55     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exhibit A is the nonsense in this thread.

"Don't see it my way? Well, you are RACIST then".

My way or the highway.... OK, highway ......... for YOU.


Bingo. This sums it up perfectly.

As the poster last page typed:

"Oh? You have something against illegal immigration, huh? Well, I can imagine what your views on African Americans must be!"



Setting aside the whole issue of multiple prejudices exemplified in one sentence on the part of the prog who typed that, it's an amazing insight into just how intellectually shallow their entire argument is. "You disagree with me? You're a racist!"


It's baffling that anyone even pays these dolts any attention at all.


+100
The only people paying them any attention are other dolts. Normal people thankfully aren’t interested in this lunacy.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 19:53     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Jacksonville, Florida police say a driver intentionally crashed a van through the tent where Duval County GOP volunteers were registering voters Saturday afternoon.


More tolerant democrats, lolz!



Priceless.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:49     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:How have we gotten to a place where we encourage millions of people to break the law and then reward them for doing so.

We look the other way when it results in low wages, poor working conditions and increased human trafficking, etc.

And Democrats want to call that ‘humane’?

Actually, it’s insane. And needs to end.


We got here because corporations and family businesses like the Trump organization prefer to hire illegal immigrants. Also Republicans kill any legislation to increase wages or implement e-verify.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:46     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:I live in Indiana. Immigrants, illegal and otherwise, have helped. The poor, illegal immigrants work harder and contribute more to society than the poor black and white people. The immigrants are on their way up, and their kids are mostly going to make it into the middle class. The native born people in poverty aren't going anywhere, and neither are their kids.


Interesting.

Has illegal immigration not had any affect on your local school systems?

Illegal immigration has had a dramatic effect on local school systems in the DC Metro area.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:40     Subject: What can bring the country together?
How have we gotten to a place where we encourage millions of people to break the law and then reward them for doing so.

We look the other way when it results in low wages, poor working conditions and increased human trafficking, etc.

And Democrats want to call that ‘humane’?

Actually, it’s insane. And needs to end.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:38     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.


Black people aren't dumb. They vote in the neighborhood of 90% for Democrats for a reason. Democrats sure aren't perfect, but Republican policies hurt them, and Republican voters look down on them.


Sure. And it’s worked out great for Black people so far. Especially in places like Baltimore.

/sarcasm
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:37     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:I live in Indiana. Immigrants, illegal and otherwise, have helped. The poor, illegal immigrants work harder and contribute more to society than the poor black and white people. The immigrants are on their way up, and their kids are mostly going to make it into the middle class. The native born people in poverty aren't going anywhere, and neither are their kids.


Please explain your situation further.

Do you kids attend schools with the kids of illegal immigrants? How do you feel that they ‘have helped’? Have they helped by providing cheap labor? How has that helped you?

I agree that legal immigrants are necessary, but there is no way that illegal immigration is a net gain to any area. Unless you are one of the wealthy people benefitting from the cheap labor.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:34     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exhibit A is the nonsense in this thread.

"Don't see it my way? Well, you are RACIST then".

My way or the highway.... OK, highway ......... for YOU.


Bingo. This sums it up perfectly.

As the poster last page typed:

"Oh? You have something against illegal immigration, huh? Well, I can imagine what your views on African Americans must be!"



Setting aside the whole issue of multiple prejudices exemplified in one sentence on the part of the prog who typed that, it's an amazing insight into just how intellectually shallow their entire argument is. "You disagree with me? You're a racist!"


It's baffling that anyone even pays these dolts any attention at all.


Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.

The conflation of the position of AAs in this country with anybody-not-white-male has been a disaster.

Your racism - against African Americans in particular, and the accompanying ignorance - is breathtaking.


DP

Your stupidity is breathtaking.

Please point out exactly where the PPs have expressed racism against African Americans.

I’ll wait.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:20     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Exhibit A is the nonsense in this thread.

"Don't see it my way? Well, you are RACIST then".

My way or the highway.... OK, highway ......... for YOU.


Bingo. This sums it up perfectly.

As the poster last page typed:

"Oh? You have something against illegal immigration, huh? Well, I can imagine what your views on African Americans must be!"



Setting aside the whole issue of multiple prejudices exemplified in one sentence on the part of the prog who typed that, it's an amazing insight into just how intellectually shallow their entire argument is. "You disagree with me? You're a racist!"


It's baffling that anyone even pays these dolts any attention at all.


Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.

The conflation of the position of AAs in this country with anybody-not-white-male has been a disaster.

Your racism - against African Americans in particular, and the accompanying ignorance - is breathtaking.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:15     Subject: What can bring the country together?
I live in Indiana. Immigrants, illegal and otherwise, have helped. The poor, illegal immigrants work harder and contribute more to society than the poor black and white people. The immigrants are on their way up, and their kids are mostly going to make it into the middle class. The native born people in poverty aren't going anywhere, and neither are their kids.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:13     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Illegal immigration hurts African Americans more than any other demographic. Democrats don't care.


Black people aren't dumb. They vote in the neighborhood of 90% for Democrats for a reason. Democrats sure aren't perfect, but Republican policies hurt them, and Republican voters look down on them.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 18:11     Subject: What can bring the country together?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I’m the PP.

You’re right! I was not disagreeing with your post. Just commenting that it’s not all manipulative talking points. Some of us see and experience the negative effects of illegal immigration want the issue addressed.

Agree that wealthy people of both parties benefit from the cheap labor and that’s why the issue has not been solved as of yet.

DP and I agree. But illegal immigration isn’t a widespread problem, overall they tend to be better behaved than citizens, pay in more through sales taxes and the like than they get out and let’s be honest, the immigration of many of our ancestors to this continent/country was questionably legal at best (unless you were Native American).

The reason I continually fault the GOP more for illegal immigration is that they continually empower businesses over workers. You want to pay your workers a sub-legal amount and house them in questionable housing and prevent them from exercising their rights? Quelle surprise American citizens don’t take those jobs, almost as if GOP business owners purposefully created some of those working conditions in order to draw more illegal immigrants who wouldn’t speak out, would accept low pay and dangerous conditions without a word.

And the GOP’s “solution” to this problem? Kidnap and jail kids. If you know the tiniest thing about child development, you know what utter cruelty this is. That’s not a response to illegal immigration, that’s sadism. Fine the businesses into the ground but my god let us regain some of our humanity.

People who cheer for that kind of cruelty? Those are the people undoing the country.


The immigration policy changed dramatically this summer. Google MPP/stay in Mexico policy.

The unpaid taxes bother me. And plenty of citizens play the system and avoid taxes (think: plumbers, contractors, restaurants, and anyone who deals in cash that can easily NOT be reported).

There is a very real impact on our schools in MoCo.

We can’t just have open borders. Google images for the tent cities in Mexico that popped up since the policy change.


DP, but I’m the PP from before in this post. This exactly.

You’re fortunate if you live somewhere that has not been impacted by illegal immigration. Many of us in MOCO see how is has impacted us and our kids and it is not a positive.

But to say that it is ‘fake news’ is ridiculous. Ask any MCPS teacher.