Anonymous wrote:If we really want to help the kids in the concentrated areas of poverty, we need 1) a lot more (seasoned) teachers, 2) principals who are able to lead without running everythingvthrough central office, and 3) a small army of counselors and social workers. We need additional resources too like Linkages to Learning, wellness centers, year round schools, etc.

Boundary changes aren’t going to be enough.

Nobody has said otherwise.

How about we start with the basics here- that many schools are terribly overcrowded and need rezoning to balance out the school population. But the (rich, obnoxious, NIMBY) parents/property owners in other school catchments are so afraid of brown and black and poor people that they created a narrative about bussing across the county and massive redistribution of students that isn’t remotely grounded in truth. Which has now riled up others and made it a struggle to get a study done —a study that would not even recommend specific boundary changes— that would ultimately help those kids in the massively overcrowded schools. regardless of whether you think having kids from FARMs families in higher-income schools is better, we should all agree that kids do better in schools that are not massively overcrowded and beyond physical capacity.

If we really want to help the kids in the concentrated areas of poverty, we need 1) a lot more (seasoned) teachers, 2) principals who are able to lead without running everythingvthrough central office, and 3) a small army of counselors and social workers. We need additional resources too like Linkages to Learning, wellness centers, year round schools, etc.

Boundary changes aren’t going to be enough.

I don't think it's a matter of caring so much as mindset.

Everyone has an idea of what they *must* have in place before having children and what they prioritize for those children.

"Must haves" differ from person to person and sometimes group to group.

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Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Another day on DCUM, another poster asserting that low-income parents don't care about their kids.

um it's generally true. Plenty of low-income folks living doubled up and in apartments in better school districts. See almost all asians when they first come over and have nothing.

No, it is not generally true that low-income parents don't care about their kids. Good grief.

No one claims that ALL low income parents don't care about their kids.

No, just that MOST low-income parents don't care about their kids.

DCUM's gonna DCUM, I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:ultimate logic disconnect

upper income kids going to crappy schools no change

lower income kids going to better schools massive change

lol

what those of us with common sense know, the school environment doesn't matter it's all about the parents/home environment

taking 100 low income kids to a higher income school won't do jack for most of the lower income kids period

DCUM: The school environment is very important! (When it comes to spending $$$ to make sure that your child goes to "good" schools.)
Also DCUM: The school environment doesn't matter! (When it comes to potential boundary changes that would reassign more kids from low-income families to "good" schools and/or reassign DCUM kids to "bad" schools.)

Evidently

Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Yes but in a dense metropolitan area property values can be very high in lower income areas! That's what people don't get and that is the point about a lot of high performing kids in the DCC have professor, scientist, fed lawyer parents. A lot of highly educated parents live in 400-700K houses and those are not zoned for Ws in close in areas.

The bubble is amazing. The wealthy areas are over the top wealthy. Only on DCUM is living in less than a 1.2 million home mean you are must live in a high poverty area.

Is there any evidence to show that the highly educated parents in DCC help the low income families and their kids’ acadamic performance in school?

I have no idea, and that wasn't my point. The point is the DCC kids aren't going to hurt the high performing kids in the wealthier schools if there are boundary changes. Is there any evidence that people in the wealthier areas care one bit about helping low income kids perform? I haven't seen any and in fact looks like the opposite.

I think wealthier folks are more concerned about their kid being transferred in to DCC, rather than people being transferred into their school, for education and travel reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ultimate logic disconnect

upper income kids going to crappy schools no change

lower income kids going to better schools massive change

lol

what those of us with common sense know, the school environment doesn't matter it's all about the parents/home environment

taking 100 low income kids to a higher income school won't do jack for most of the lower income kids period

DCUM: The school environment is very important! (When it comes to spending $$$ to make sure that your child goes to "good" schools.)
Also DCUM: The school environment doesn't matter! (When it comes to potential boundary changes that would reassign more kids from low-income families to "good" schools and/or reassign DCUM kids to "bad" schools.)

Evidently

Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Yes but in a dense metropolitan area property values can be very high in lower income areas! That's what people don't get and that is the point about a lot of high performing kids in the DCC have professor, scientist, fed lawyer parents. A lot of highly educated parents live in 400-700K houses and those are not zoned for Ws in close in areas.

The bubble is amazing. The wealthy areas are over the top wealthy. Only on DCUM is living in less than a 1.2 million home mean you are must live in a high poverty area.

Is there any evidence to show that the highly educated parents in DCC help the low income families and their kids’ acadamic performance in school?

I have no idea, and that wasn't my point. The point is the DCC kids aren't going to hurt the high performing kids in the wealthier schools if there are boundary changes. Is there any evidence that people in the wealthier areas care one bit about helping low income kids perform? I haven't seen any and in fact looks like the opposite.

If there is no evidence that MC and UMC families in DCC have helped the low income students, why does anyone assume the MC and UMC kids from W schools could help low income students to learn?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ultimate logic disconnect

upper income kids going to crappy schools no change

lower income kids going to better schools massive change

lol

what those of us with common sense know, the school environment doesn't matter it's all about the parents/home environment

taking 100 low income kids to a higher income school won't do jack for most of the lower income kids period

DCUM: The school environment is very important! (When it comes to spending $$$ to make sure that your child goes to "good" schools.)
Also DCUM: The school environment doesn't matter! (When it comes to potential boundary changes that would reassign more kids from low-income families to "good" schools and/or reassign DCUM kids to "bad" schools.)

Evidently

Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Yes but in a dense metropolitan area property values can be very high in lower income areas! That's what people don't get and that is the point about a lot of high performing kids in the DCC have professor, scientist, fed lawyer parents. A lot of highly educated parents live in 400-700K houses and those are not zoned for Ws in close in areas.

The bubble is amazing. The wealthy areas are over the top wealthy. Only on DCUM is living in less than a 1.2 million home mean you are must live in a high poverty area.

Is there any evidence to show that the highly educated parents in DCC help the low income families and their kids’ acadamic performance in school?

I have no idea, and that wasn't my point. The point is the DCC kids aren't going to hurt the high performing kids in the wealthier schools if there are boundary changes. Is there any evidence that people in the wealthier areas care one bit about helping low income kids perform? I haven't seen any and in fact looks like the opposite.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ultimate logic disconnect

upper income kids going to crappy schools no change

lower income kids going to better schools massive change

lol

what those of us with common sense know, the school environment doesn't matter it's all about the parents/home environment

taking 100 low income kids to a higher income school won't do jack for most of the lower income kids period

DCUM: The school environment is very important! (When it comes to spending $$$ to make sure that your child goes to "good" schools.)
Also DCUM: The school environment doesn't matter! (When it comes to potential boundary changes that would reassign more kids from low-income families to "good" schools and/or reassign DCUM kids to "bad" schools.)

Evidently

Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Yes but in a dense metropolitan area property values can be very high in lower income areas! That's what people don't get and that is the point about a lot of high performing kids in the DCC have professor, scientist, fed lawyer parents. A lot of highly educated parents live in 400-700K houses and those are not zoned for Ws in close in areas.

The bubble is amazing. The wealthy areas are over the top wealthy. Only on DCUM is living in less than a 1.2 million home mean you are must live in a high poverty area.

Is there any evidence to show that the highly educated parents in DCC help the low income families and their kids’ acadamic performance in school?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Another day on DCUM, another poster asserting that low-income parents don't care about their kids.

um it's generally true. Plenty of low-income folks living doubled up and in apartments in better school districts. See almost all asians when they first come over and have nothing.

No, it is not generally true that low-income parents don't care about their kids. Good grief.

No one claims that ALL low income parents don't care about their kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Another day on DCUM, another poster asserting that low-income parents don't care about their kids.

um it's generally true. Plenty of low-income folks living doubled up and in apartments in better school districts. See almost all asians when they first come over and have nothing.

No, it is not generally true that low-income parents don't care about their kids. Good grief.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Another day on DCUM, another poster asserting that low-income parents don't care about their kids.

um it's generally true. Plenty of low-income folks living doubled up and in apartments in better school districts. See almost all asians when they first come over and have nothing.

Anonymous wrote:
Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Another day on DCUM, another poster asserting that low-income parents don't care about their kids.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ultimate logic disconnect

upper income kids going to crappy schools no change

lower income kids going to better schools massive change

lol

what those of us with common sense know, the school environment doesn't matter it's all about the parents/home environment

taking 100 low income kids to a higher income school won't do jack for most of the lower income kids period

DCUM: The school environment is very important! (When it comes to spending $$$ to make sure that your child goes to "good" schools.)
Also DCUM: The school environment doesn't matter! (When it comes to potential boundary changes that would reassign more kids from low-income families to "good" schools and/or reassign DCUM kids to "bad" schools.)

Evidently

Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle

Yes but in a dense metropolitan area property values can be very high in lower income areas! That's what people don't get and that is the point about a lot of high performing kids in the DCC have professor, scientist, fed lawyer parents. A lot of highly educated parents live in 400-700K houses and those are not zoned for Ws in close in areas.

The bubble is amazing. The wealthy areas are over the top wealthy. Only on DCUM is living in less than a 1.2 million home mean you are must live in a high poverty area.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ultimate logic disconnect

upper income kids going to crappy schools no change

lower income kids going to better schools massive change

lol

what those of us with common sense know, the school environment doesn't matter it's all about the parents/home environment

taking 100 low income kids to a higher income school won't do jack for most of the lower income kids period

DCUM: The school environment is very important! (When it comes to spending $$$ to make sure that your child goes to "good" schools.)
Also DCUM: The school environment doesn't matter! (When it comes to potential boundary changes that would reassign more kids from low-income families to "good" schools and/or reassign DCUM kids to "bad" schools.)

Evidently

Both are true

Most parents who give a damn make sure there kids aren't in a high poverty high bad behavior environment

Most parents who give a damn have kids that will be successful regardless

and also the reverse is true

property values are directly correlated to school "success" which is directly correlated to test scores which is directly correlated to parental involvement which is mostly correlated to income which is all a vicious cycle