some people are crazy .

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf? One of the examples is a kid who wet his pants in the seclusion room and then pooped and was then left naked for almost an hour to run around swearing poop all over while the aide watched from outside and took notes.

This happened to a female student in my friend’s school. At one point, she was naked and covered in poop without so much as a blanket in the AC. My friend quit the next day.

But what is the alternative? If you had gone to school for the purpose of educating children and were making maybe 60k/year, would YOU physically restrain a child who is running around smearing poop?

If you had gone to a good school that teaches you that there are more than cookie cutter kids out in this world you would not get to the point of having a child smeared with feces. Teaching is not something you decide to do because your spouse got a good job on the hill and your degree in marketing is not marketable.

Special ed teachers are trained to handle some of these issues but not all, especially now that violent kids are allowed to be mainstreamed. Regular teachers are not trained for this. You’re going to have to pony up more money if you expect all teachers to deal with this in addition to teaching every day. Give me a break. Why don’t you home school your violent kid since
You know all the right things to do and stop expecting strangers to manage them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge problem for my child. He has been put in this type of room in MCPS. For him, they escalate his behavior.

Very few people would be able to calm down while stuck in a small room with someone holding the door shut on them and starting at them through a window. As an adult, I would just get angrier and angrier if I was asking for space and respect and the only thing I would get would be someone starting at me and writing down every word as I try to escape. This is how my son describes it. He wants to Deescalate but the scenario is one that makes him do the opposite. He’s so stressed and trying to escape that there of no calming down.

For my child, the reason a bedroom works for him at home is that he has the space to calm down. If he were being watched and stared at, her would not be able to effectively use that strategy. For my DS (11), he does much better with options such as being in a quiet corner and listening to music or pacing the school.

So what do you want the teachers and other students do when your child is violent and you don’t want him removed from the classroom? They just suck it up and deal?

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Those kids are there to get an education, not wait for your snowflake to go off again.

Anonymous wrote:This is a huge problem for my child. He has been put in this type of room in MCPS. For him, they escalate his behavior.

Very few people would be able to calm down while stuck in a small room with someone holding the door shut on them and starting at them through a window. As an adult, I would just get angrier and angrier if I was asking for space and respect and the only thing I would get would be someone starting at me and writing down every word as I try to escape. This is how my son describes it. He wants to Deescalate but the scenario is one that makes him do the opposite. He’s so stressed and trying to escape that there of no calming down.

For my child, the reason a bedroom works for him at home is that he has the space to calm down. If he were being watched and stared at, her would not be able to effectively use that strategy. For my DS (11), he does much better with options such as being in a quiet corner and listening to music or pacing the school.

So what do you want the teachers and other students do when your child is violent and you don’t want him removed from the classroom? They just suck it up and deal?

Anonymous wrote:What's the alternative? I'm not being snarky. Restraining the child? Medicating the child? A lot of these kids are physically harming the teacher or other students. Obviously if they aren't a harm to others they shouldn't be in this room, but plenty of the kids are a harm to others.

We don't have enough staff to deal with students like this. I had a student who scratched my eye when she was having a tantrum. I went to take a pencil out of her hand so she wouldn't hurt anyone and she scratched my eye with it. She then grabbed my arm to get it back. The result was bruises all over me. I texted everyone on our group text- teacher next door (so I could send my kids to her), school psych, social worker, admin, etc). Nobody showed up because of the other out of control students (in general ed classes).

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Anonymous wrote:What's the alternative? I'm not being snarky. Restraining the child? Medicating the child? A lot of these kids are physically harming the teacher or other students. Obviously if they aren't a harm to others they shouldn't be in this room, but plenty of the kids are a harm to others.

This. I'm in canada and my school district disallowed rooms like this, but the level of violence from one of the children in my son's grade is insane. Like they lockdown the pod, lock all the classrooms while he throws a fit flipping tables and smashing stuff in the hallway. He is 9. Presents fairly typical other than the rage at the drop of a hat. He's suspended right now but unless the school is allowed to inject him with tranquilizers a room seems the best bet. Awful but the school system deals with some pretty extreme cases these days. He is a big kid too. Nothing works. 4-5 teachers including administrators can't help him when he unleashes. Yet he has rights. The rooms are disturbing but more so the situation of exactly what kids do these days. It was not like that when I was a kid.

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I am shocked that the school suspended him, because in FCPS his parents would threaten to sue, and they would keep him in a system that is clearly not working, at the peril of everyone else.

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THE SPACES have gentle names: The reflection room. The cool-down room. The calming room. The quiet room.
But shut inside them, in public schools across the state, children as young as 5 wail for their parents, scream in anger and beg to be let out.
The students, most of them with disabilities, scratch the windows or tear at the padded walls. They throw their bodies against locked doors. They wet their pants. Some children spend hours inside these rooms, missing class time. Through it all, adults stay outside the door, writing down what happens.


This is happening here. Not just to the poor. Not just to special needs kids. And no they may not tell you.

Arlington Science Focus had on. Not all parents are aware.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

What??? All of the NT kids parents would revolt, and there are a lot more of us. There is already a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money and classroom teacher effort devoted to the SN kids. I would seriously move to another county if my county voted to do this.

Bye Felicia

The PP is exactly right. There is too much money spent on American public school education for such mediocre results. The last thing SN departments need is more money. They already take up so much while the gifted kids who will actually benefit our future society are neglected.

I support higher salaries for teachers. If the general public knew how much $$ in public education is wasted on admin and frivolous contracts resulting from special interest lobbying, they would be horrified.

As the parent of 2 “gifted” kids (I really hate that term), I agree that they are often neglected in public schools. I agree that too much money is spent for mediocre results. I DISAGREE that too much is spent on kids with special needs or that that money is wasted.

I would support a tax interest if I thought the money was necessary for and would be used on behalf of improving education for children (be they gifted, on-level, or special meeds). However, my experience in a county whose schools are comparatively well-funded is that regardless of how much money we give them, the educational benefits will be minimal. MCPS spends an enormous amount on every high-tech/glitzy extra they can think of. They devote a significant effort to PR. They have a reputation for preferring litigation to defend lawsuits from special needs families for services, rather than providing appropriate services to begin with. The money that does actually go to education, too often goes towards resources of questionable value. For years they churned out a lousy curriculum, using our kids as guinea pigs. I’m hoping that the critical report from the curriculum audit will lead to improvements, but if the personnel in the curriculum department have any input in selecting and implementing a new curriculum, I very much fear we’ll get another ineffective curriculum that aligns with their preferences. (I desperately hope I’m wrong and we can get some established curriculum that are content rich and have already been proven effective elsewhere.)

I think education is the very best investment society can make. I’m willing to pay more to improve education. I am NOT willing to pay more so that a school district that is more concerned with its own prestige than in the actual process of education can have more money to waste.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a gen ed teacher 100% against seclusion rooms for any child, ever. If a child is that seriously dangerous, then hospitalization is in order.
At the same time, I'm a gen ed teacher often expected to "handle" kids with extreme behavioral and emotional needs. There is a huge gap in what the law requires and what funding actually provides in terms of support for such students and their teachers. I propose doubling taxes to pay for appropriate help for all students in schools. The safety of staff and the safety of all kids, gen ed and sped kids, is on the line.

What??? All of the NT kids parents would revolt, and there are a lot more of us. There is already a disproportionate amount of taxpayer money and classroom teacher effort devoted to the SN kids. I would seriously move to another county if my county voted to do this.

Bye Felicia

The PP is exactly right. There is too much money spent on American public school education for such mediocre results. The last thing SN departments need is more money. They already take up so much while the gifted kids who will actually benefit our future society are neglected.

I support higher salaries for teachers. If the general public knew how much $$ in public education is wasted on admin and frivolous contracts resulting from special interest lobbying, they would be horrified.

I’m very curious what people think should be done instead. School isn’t a psych ward and other students and staff have a right to remain safe during these “incidents” or whatever.

I went to school in the 1980s. I can still remember a kid losing his €%#} regularly in classrooms and it was traumatizing for the rest of us. I don’t necessarily support quiet rooms but subjected other young children to rage is also very problematic.

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The protocol that best keeps kids safe is to actually appropriately support their needs. Kids don’t just randomly act up. There is always a reason, and most often, the reason is that their needs aren’t being met. We shouldn’t punish disabled kids for adult failures

Spoken like someone who has never met a child with a disruptive mood dysregulation disorder.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not going to read that article. But I will tell you that I was definitely put on a quiet room when I was a kid. I don’t remember what grade but I graduated in 1991 here in NoVA and we definitely had quiet rooms in our schools.

For context, I was going through a very difficult time at home and have been over medicated for depression and just kind of lost it one day. I wasn’t violent I just couldn’t stop shrieking. It was the kid equivalent of a nervous break down. I was hospitalized after that. Funny thing is that they took me off of all of my medication to reset. Gave me a little therapy and realized it was mostly my home environment causing the issues.

We have a lot of family therapy, and I went home after awhile. my parents eventually got sober and started therapy. I was the canary in the coal mine.

I’m not going to read that article. But I will tell you that I was definitely put on a quiet room when I was a kid. I don’t remember what grade but I graduated in 1991 here in NoVA and we definitely had quiet rooms in our schools.

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The protocol that best keeps kids safe is to actually appropriately support their needs. Kids don’t just randomly act up. There is always a reason, and most often, the reason is that their needs aren’t being met. We shouldn’t punish disabled kids for adult failures