Most of what you stated is true enough.. however, the bolded is very true, also, and not to be discounted. This is true across the board, and not just related to this dumb argument about FCPS vs MCPS. When you look at the proportional rate and the % of FARMs, one would expect more from FCPS. Even within MCPS, one would expect a rich area like Churchill to send more kids to top colleges than, say, Einstein HS which has a much higher FARMS rate. You see this play out in FCPS, too, ie, McLean vs Annandale.

Theoretically, I agree. But I'm not sure that having a 5 point difference between the counties is significant. Considering what we spend per kid in FCPS vs. what you guys spend per kid in MoCo, and the fact that we have 25% more kids, I'm not sure that the FARMs rate is determinative at that level.

Moreover, as I point out above: the rate at which kids go to HYPS is a false assumption. You can't reverse engineer a rate with a high enough predictability because the number of kids that go to HYPS cannot be determined simply on FARMs % or the magnet itself. That's why the rate at which graduates go to a four year college (and ergo, the US News Ranking) is far more reliable-- there are a ton more factors involved than a simple rate and hard numbers are more reliable predictor.

I get why people are being dumb about this-- a lot of us purchased homes here and most of us are super competitive. But the reality is that given a choice: I would choose FCPS over MCPS any day. Just skimming what is going on in the MD boards makes me realize that we made the right choice moving here.

Anonymous wrote:someone posted this weird stat:

TJ 79/200 = 39.5%
Blair magnet 21/100 = 21%

Why would you take out 200+ kids out of 423 (class in TJ) just because half go to UVA? How do you know if 100 of Blair magnet kids applied to HYP or whatever and not UMD? You really did pull that number out of your a$$.

Don't make assumptions. Take the total number, even if half decided to not apply to those schools because you have no idea if 50%, 70%, or 10% of Blair magnet kids applied to those schools:

2015 to 2017 numbers:

TJ 79/423 = 16.5%

Blair magnet 100 (and assume all 21 on the polaris site are from the magnet) then 21/100 = 21%.

Ok: then don't discount that TJ is #4 in the country in US News.

Moreover, because the scales are so different, you can't apply one rate to another: there is no guarantee that if you added 323 kids to Blair you would get the same rate-- especially as Blair argues that they get the best of the best out of MoCo-- which implies that that 100 is the best and everyone else would just not do as well (which implies only 21/423 in Blair would go to HYPS). Alternatively, if you took away 323 kids away from TJ, there is no guarantee that the rate would be the same-- one can argue that if we only kept the best 100, it would be 79 HYPS grads, such that it would be 79/100. That's why the numbers were broken down to show that before: it's the assumption of rate that is wrong. Even on a bell curve: you just don't know the rate, but you know the hard numbers.

That's why the overall ranking is important to note and that the hard number vs the rate number is important in the comparison-- unless Blair ACTUALLY had the same magnet size, the "rate" argument is not sufficiently predictive and the assumption that rate makes sense is wrong. And it's why that assumption isn't used on PolarisList or US News or GS.

someone posted this weird stat:

TJ 79/200 = 39.5%
Blair magnet 21/100 = 21%

Why would you take out 200+ kids out of 423 (class in TJ) just because half go to UVA? How do you know if 100 of Blair magnet kids applied to HYP or whatever and not UMD? You really did pull that number out of your a$$.

Don't make assumptions. Take the total number, even if half decided to not apply to those schools because you have no idea if 50%, 70%, or 10% of Blair magnet kids applied to those schools:

2015 to 2017 numbers:

TJ 79/423 = 16.5%

Blair magnet 100 (and assume all 21 on the polaris site are from the magnet) then 21/100 = 21%.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS posters only talk about TJ. MCPS spreads out its smart kids to other magnets, not just to Blair, but FCPS posters still only look at Blair. That is why you are called idiots. It's almost like you treat the other schools as the ugly stepchildren.

Actually: we look at Blair because MCPS keeps saying that Blair has better STEM. But comparing a school that has 100 magnet kids vs. a school with 423 magnet kids is foolhardy at best. And that somehow, having the #4 school in the country isn't as good as having Blair and RM and Poolesville.

Take a look at the total numbers of each district, not just TJ. There are a few non magnet MCPS HS that are also on the list in that article OP posted - Wootton, Churchill. Whitman, and RM (another non whole school magnet).. but no other FCPS HS. The next FCPS HS on the polaris list is Langley at 6.

Go to the polaris website. Add up all numbers for the HS and get the proportional rate. That is a much better comparison. I think what you will find is that, based on the polaris list, the proportionally numbers between the two districts are fairly close.

They are fairly close. When this was brought up though, then MCPS throught out that Blair was somehow better than TJ. Which is great, but not true and not provable. And actually, they crazy thing is that even though they are close and the top schools send a huge number of kids to HYPS, the MCPS people were like: we have fewer kids! Our FARMS rate is higher!



WW and TW have higher demographics than a lot of other places in the area. Some other poster mentioned it: but it's like MCPS just wants to argue whoever is richer. Which is why the US News Rankings have been posted... over and over again.

Most of what you stated is true enough.. however, the bolded is very true, also, and not to be discounted. This is true across the board, and not just related to this dumb argument about FCPS vs MCPS. When you look at the proportional rate and the % of FARMs, one would expect more from FCPS. Even within MCPS, one would expect a rich area like Churchill to send more kids to top colleges than, say, Einstein HS which has a much higher FARMS rate. You see this play out in FCPS, too, ie, McLean vs Annandale.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS posters only talk about TJ. MCPS spreads out its smart kids to other magnets, not just to Blair, but FCPS posters still only look at Blair. That is why you are called idiots. It's almost like you treat the other schools as the ugly stepchildren.

Actually: we look at Blair because MCPS keeps saying that Blair has better STEM. But comparing a school that has 100 magnet kids vs. a school with 423 magnet kids is foolhardy at best. And that somehow, having the #4 school in the country isn't as good as having Blair and RM and Poolesville.

Take a look at the total numbers of each district, not just TJ. There are a few non magnet MCPS HS that are also on the list in that article OP posted - Wootton, Churchill. Whitman, and RM (another non whole school magnet).. but no other FCPS HS. The next FCPS HS on the polaris list is Langley at 6.

Go to the polaris website. Add up all numbers for the HS and get the proportional rate. That is a much better comparison. I think what you will find is that, based on the polaris list, the proportionally numbers between the two districts are fairly close.

They are fairly close. When this was brought up though, then MCPS throught out that Blair was somehow better than TJ. Which is great, but not true and not provable. And actually, they crazy thing is that even though they are close and the top schools send a huge number of kids to HYPS, the MCPS people were like: we have fewer kids! Our FARMS rate is higher!



WW and TW have higher demographics than a lot of other places in the area. Some other poster mentioned it: but it's like MCPS just wants to argue whoever is richer. Which is why the US News Rankings have been posted... over and over again.

Yet it is VA that has the thread not MD...who wants to argue?

Anonymous wrote:FCPS posters only talk about TJ. MCPS spreads out its smart kids to other magnets, not just to Blair, but FCPS posters still only look at Blair. That is why you are called idiots. It's almost like you treat the other schools as the ugly stepchildren.

Actually: we look at Blair because MCPS keeps saying that Blair has better STEM. But comparing a school that has 100 magnet kids vs. a school with 423 magnet kids is foolhardy at best. And that somehow, having the #4 school in the country isn't as good as having Blair and RM and Poolesville.

Take a look at the total numbers of each district, not just TJ. There are a few non magnet MCPS HS that are also on the list in that article OP posted - Wootton, Churchill. Whitman, and RM (another non whole school magnet).. but no other FCPS HS. The next FCPS HS on the polaris list is Langley at 6.

Go to the polaris website. Add up all numbers for the HS and get the proportional rate. That is a much better comparison. I think what you will find is that, based on the polaris list, the proportionally numbers between the two districts are fairly close.

They are fairly close. When this was brought up though, then MCPS throught out that Blair was somehow better than TJ. Which is great, but not true and not provable. And actually, they crazy thing is that even though they are close and the top schools send a huge number of kids to HYPS, the MCPS people were like: we have fewer kids! Our FARMS rate is higher!



WW and TW have higher demographics than a lot of other places in the area. Some other poster mentioned it: but it's like MCPS just wants to argue whoever is richer. Which is why the US News Rankings have been posted... over and over again.

Anonymous wrote:So lots TJ kids go to UVa and Blair sends kids to UMd. UVA is a higher rated school. That does not mean TJ is a better school. Many public schools choose in state options for the price. With average SAT of 1590, Blair magnet kids have plenty of choices.

Actually, TJ is a better school because it sends more kids to HYPS and it's ranked #4 in US News.

But somehow, no one seems to want to account for that because there is an assumption of a population rate-- which although can be predictive, it's not statistically guaranteed.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are numbers from Polaris list website.

The farms rates are from the MCPS and FCPS websites.

The inability to see facts and argue persuasive, the name calling, and the complete inability to see mockery is indicative of the educational level from MCPS and of your on doing.

Sigh! !
79/200 = 39.5%  where?
You picked a number out of your @$$ to fit your narrative.

If you read the post, it's because about 200 kids go to UVA- it's overall ranking is way higher than UMD.

But here's the thing: your narrative has been rebutted against already and then you call us names. Show us how the numbers can't work, vs. saying we make it up.

You still can't beat the US News rankings or create a rate without actual hard numbers.

Nor have you at all argued against it. Saying that it's made up is not an argument-- it's a cop out.

But MD kids would be so much less likely to go to UVA because it is more expensive for them not because they could not get in...

Yeah, U.Va a great bargain in-state which may account for its appeal with TJ parents, while most smart Maryland kids probably want to go elsewhere than their state flagship.

The other thing about UVA: it's not the only school. UVA is #4 in US News Top Public schools, and William and Mary is #12.

UMD is a respectable #24-- but it's definitely not #4. And yes, overall rankings matters in terms of colleges and high schools. We are in the top 10 for top public colleges, alongside UCLA, Berkeley, U Michigan, and Georgia Tech. Our STEM may not be the greatest, but if we can compete with those schools, it's definitely not shabby.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

But let's not digress too much. TJ is a much better school than Blair. And FCPS is much better than MCPS.

None of you have provided much analysis of data, or presentation of data to refute the arguments presented above. But it was fun to watch you guys try. It was kinda funny: the numbers are fake! It's all lies! The media is so mean to us.

It's so familiar.....

Yeah, FCPS is much better at losing to MCPS, you meant.
37-4

And UVA won the NCAA championship, so if you want to randomly spout nonsequitors

LOL
UMD won the NCAA championship too, so?

Yeah. 20 years ago.

20 years ago Blair was really special too.

Now.... not so much.

And that's what is really hard for you guys to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

Because of U.Va. Big percent of the class at TJ goes to U.Va. Md. doesn't have an equivalent.

Wrong, about 40% Blair magnet students go to UMD, which is actually a STEM powerhouse while UVA is not.
One has to wonder why go to all the troubles of going to TJ just to end up at UVA.

STEM powerhouse is a reach, when MD ranks number 25 in engineering while Virginia Tech (the less of the UVA schools) ranks at 13.

Nice attempt at Terp Pride though. It's a shame that your basketball team and your football team went down the tubes. Kinda like Blair's magnet program.

VT is unranked Graduate program while UMD is ranked 22.

And UVA is #4.

Your point?

Oh yeah. Throw out completely irrelevant numbers that don’t apply to high schoolers because you can’t do anything else. #twerps

In which STEM program?
Man, you all are clueless

First off, you keep pounding STEM, like it's somehow just one thing. (Just a refresher, STEM = SCIENCE TECH ENGINEERING MATH).

If you read the threads, a poster already mentioned that MD isn't as highly ranked as VT in ENGINEERING. Which is several fields.

If you really want to push the whole UMD is a "juggernaut" in STEM, you need to actually somehow prove that it's better than VT. Other posters didn't claim that: they claimed that UVA is #4 in Public Colleges/Uni while MD isn't that high and doesn't rank in anything other than CompSci.. You however, are somehow stuck on this STEM thing, and so other posters have pointed out how other schools can be better than UMD at STEM (in this case engineering) such that there is no way that UMD is a "juggernaut."

I understand this is hard for you. MD used to be a great school. Top 10. It's slipped. Get over it.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are numbers from Polaris list website.

The farms rates are from the MCPS and FCPS websites.

The inability to see facts and argue persuasive, the name calling, and the complete inability to see mockery is indicative of the educational level from MCPS and of your on doing.

Sigh! !
79/200 = 39.5%  where?
You picked a number out of your @$$ to fit your narrative.

If you read the post, it's because about 200 kids go to UVA- it's overall ranking is way higher than UMD.

But here's the thing: your narrative has been rebutted against already and then you call us names. Show us how the numbers can't work, vs. saying we make it up.

You still can't beat the US News rankings or create a rate without actual hard numbers.

Nor have you at all argued against it. Saying that it's made up is not an argument-- it's a cop out.

Huh???? Now you're spewing out more stupidity.
Then what do the 79 Ivies have to do with your random 200?
You're digging yourself deeper and deeper into the hole.

We sent out 79 kids to HYPS.

Only 1/3 of our kids would even consider anything other than uva. We send 2/3 to uva and state schools. So 200 kids is an estimate of the kids who would even consider HYPS.

But you keep saying this deeper hole thing- we are still #4. We still out beat you in numbers. We send out 79 to your measly 21. And even if you send your kids to UMD, the fact is that your theoretical rate cannot beat our actual numbers.

And The more you call me idiot vs actually explaining ho Blair, with its 86% graduation rate, its low ranking on AP tests, its #1064 o. US News, it’s inability to win as much as TJ at ISEF, science bowl, its low HYPS, its rapist and it’s 4 decades of a sexually harassing math teacher proves one thing:

That is all that you have learned.

Boom, there it is folks.
Not actual number or stats. Just some cherry picked number to fit the narrative.

As I said, the more you post the more ignorant you sound. For a forum dedicated to the best that FCPS has to offer, some of the parents/ boosters here are the most uninformed, ignorant I have seen on DCUM and that says a lot.
My IQ dropped just by visiting this forum.

And yet you still post.

Making assumptions on a population is standard for mathematics. If you actually took anything beyond high school algebra you would know that. It’s not made up and it’s not cherry picking.

However, as you blatantly ignore all of the other stuff posted, I doubt that you had much of an IQ to begin with.

FCPS posters only talk about TJ. MCPS spreads out its smart kids to other magnets, not just to Blair, but FCPS posters still only look at Blair. That is why you are called idiots. It's almost like you treat the other schools as the ugly stepchildren.

Take a look at the total numbers of each district, not just TJ. There are a few non magnet MCPS HS that are also on the list in that article OP posted - Wootton, Churchill. Whitman, and RM (another non whole school magnet).. but no other FCPS HS. The next FCPS HS on the polaris list is Langley at 6.

Go to the polaris website. Add up all numbers for the HS and get the proportional rate. That is a much better comparison. I think what you will find is that, based on the polaris list, the proportionally numbers between the two districts are fairly close.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

Because of U.Va. Big percent of the class at TJ goes to U.Va. Md. doesn't have an equivalent.

Wrong, about 40% Blair magnet students go to UMD, which is actually a STEM powerhouse while UVA is not.
One has to wonder why go to all the troubles of going to TJ just to end up at UVA.

Really? U.Va ranked #28
U.Md ranked #64
That's a big difference.

Wow!!!
I guess reading comprehension is not your forte.
Key word :STEM
Do you know what is that?

For a STEM "powerhouse" you'd think it would be ranked higher.

The MCBros aren't really good at proving their schools are better either. I mean, if Blair was so great, it wouldn't be #1064. And if TJ was so bad, it wouldn't be ranked at #4.

But it's ok: they have at 3.03% local tax in MoCo that somehow makes it all better.

https://smartasset.com/taxes/maryland-tax-calculator#Lbf6RoY4Ld

Here's #1064 bit€h-slapping #4
https://youtu.be/jtFG1QsKJAo

Dude. I am not watching a YouTube video some stranger posts. You have got to be kidding me.

Get you school to stop failing it’s kids. Heck, maybe learn how to actually support your school vs throwing insults like a 12 year old.

I know, I know. It's painful to watch that beatdown.

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Anonymous wrote:Those are numbers from Polaris list website.

The farms rates are from the MCPS and FCPS websites.

The inability to see facts and argue persuasive, the name calling, and the complete inability to see mockery is indicative of the educational level from MCPS and of your on doing.

Sigh! !
79/200 = 39.5%  where?
You picked a number out of your @$$ to fit your narrative.

If you read the post, it's because about 200 kids go to UVA- it's overall ranking is way higher than UMD.

But here's the thing: your narrative has been rebutted against already and then you call us names. Show us how the numbers can't work, vs. saying we make it up.

You still can't beat the US News rankings or create a rate without actual hard numbers.

Nor have you at all argued against it. Saying that it's made up is not an argument-- it's a cop out.

But MD kids would be so much less likely to go to UVA because it is more expensive for them not because they could not get in...

Yeah, U.Va a great bargain in-state which may account for its appeal with TJ parents, while most smart Maryland kids probably want to go elsewhere than their state flagship.

The other thing about UVA: it's not the only school. UVA is #4 in US News Top Public schools, and William and Mary is #12.

UMD is a respectable #24-- but it's definitely not #4. And yes, overall rankings matters in terms of colleges and high schools. We are in the top 10 for top public colleges, alongside UCLA, Berkeley, U Michigan, and Georgia Tech. Our STEM may not be the greatest, but if we can compete with those schools, it's definitely not shabby.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

But let's not digress too much. TJ is a much better school than Blair. And FCPS is much better than MCPS.

None of you have provided much analysis of data, or presentation of data to refute the arguments presented above. But it was fun to watch you guys try. It was kinda funny: the numbers are fake! It's all lies! The media is so mean to us.

It's so familiar.....

Yeah, FCPS is much better at losing to MCPS, you meant.
37-4

And UVA won the NCAA championship, so if you want to randomly spout nonsequitors

LOL
UMD won the NCAA championship too, so?

So lots TJ kids go to UVa and Blair sends kids to UMd. UVA is a higher rated school. That does not mean TJ is a better school. Many public schools choose in state options for the price. With average SAT of 1590, Blair magnet kids have plenty of choices.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

Because of U.Va. Big percent of the class at TJ goes to U.Va. Md. doesn't have an equivalent.

Wrong, about 40% Blair magnet students go to UMD, which is actually a STEM powerhouse while UVA is not.
One has to wonder why go to all the troubles of going to TJ just to end up at UVA.

STEM powerhouse is a reach, when MD ranks number 25 in engineering while Virginia Tech (the less of the UVA schools) ranks at 13.

Nice attempt at Terp Pride though. It's a shame that your basketball team and your football team went down the tubes. Kinda like Blair's magnet program.

VT is unranked Graduate program while UMD is ranked 22.

And UVA is #4.

Your point?

Oh yeah. Throw out completely irrelevant numbers that don’t apply to high schoolers because you can’t do anything else. #twerps

In which STEM program?
Man, you all are clueless