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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

The one guy punched him from behind causing him to fall to the ground and hit his head on a grate. The other proceeded to kick him in the head as he lay there on the ground. He never woke up.

I wonder if they cold tell if the major injury was caused by the fall and initial head injury or by the kicking. It isn't uncommon for a big drunk guy (off balance) to end up with a serious or even fatal health injury from a punch or a push. However the person punching or pushing has no intention of killing them. They are just 'fighting' and while 99.9% of a time a punch or a push is not fatal, the odds increase when you punch or push a big drunk guy who easily loses balance, has limited reflexes and falls hard. If it was the push and fall that caused the major injury - it was really manslaughter, not murder. There was no intent. You can't say that every punch or push ever is attempted murder.

If the kicking was what caused the major injuries, then there is a greater case, as there is more intention to cause harm when you kick someone lying on the ground in the head. However it might still be hard to argue that the intention was to kill him

Anonymous wrote:I'll also say that it is not unusual at all for young guys in particular to talk trash about another guy's sports team. It is absolutely insane however to react to that kind of talk by attacking and brutally beating the guy into a vegetative state.

There was nothing that the victim did that warranted what happened to him. To suggest that he brought it on somehow only highlights how callous his attackers were.

Indeed, it's an appropriate social interaction. Young guys are supposed to trash talk sports teams.

Anonymous wrote:I'll also say that it is not unusual at all for young guys in particular to talk trash about another guy's sports team. It is absolutely insane however to react to that kind of talk by attacking and brutally beating the guy into a vegetative state.

There was nothing that the victim did that warranted what happened to him. To suggest that he brought it on somehow only highlights how callous his attackers were.

There is a pretty vocal contingent around here that claim actions have consequences as justification for violent attacks in response to any infraction of their "moral" code.

I'll also say that it is not unusual at all for young guys in particular to talk trash about another guy's sports team. It is absolutely insane however to react to that kind of talk by attacking and brutally beating the guy into a vegetative state.

There was nothing that the victim did that warranted what happened to him. To suggest that he brought it on somehow only highlights how callous his attackers were.

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Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

The one guy punched him from behind causing him to fall to the ground and hit his head on a grate. The other proceeded to kick him in the head as he lay there on the ground. He never woke up.

Anonymous wrote:Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

He was talking trash, but didn’t physically touch anyone.

Morbid curiosity: what precipitated the attack? Did the assailants just walk up and cold cock him? Did they all know each other prior to that evening?

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

The last decision Ryan made for himself was taunting a bunch of people he thought wouldn't respond. Not that their response was okay, but he was not just walking down the street minding his own business when two guys jumped him out of the blue.

Is that what you’d say if this had happened to your kid?

No, I might also be in denial that my kid was a belligerent drunk who initiated the incident by taunting a group of people who were otherwise minding their own business over their baseball fandom, and who, when those people started to move on, decided to provoke them further for the fun of it.

Are you the same poster saying that people should move on?

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

The last decision Ryan made for himself was taunting a bunch of people he thought wouldn't respond. Not that their response was okay, but he was not just walking down the street minding his own business when two guys jumped him out of the blue.

Is that what you’d say if this had happened to your kid?

No, I might also be in denial that my kid was a belligerent drunk who initiated the incident by taunting a group of people who were otherwise minding their own business over their baseball fandom, and who, when those people started to move on, decided to provoke them further for the fun of it.

Maybe let go of your anger?

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Anonymous wrote:“I can’t make any arguments based in actual law, so I’m going to keep repeating the same thing in increasing hysterical and inflammatory fashion.”

DP. If he died from an infection (I haven't seen anything that specific), then it was a complication of his original injuries sustained in the assault.

Unless something else caused it. People get infections (and die from them) all the time due to things like hospital exposure and improper hand washing, even when they’re not in permanent vegetative states. It’s not something unique to that condition.

Walking down that street was the last decision that Ryan made for himself. After his assault he was rendered completely helpless, immobile, unconscious, unaware. That is no life. His body is now dead but he lost his life 10 years ago.

The last decision Ryan made for himself was taunting a bunch of people he thought wouldn't respond. Not that their response was okay, but he was not just walking down the street minding his own business when two guys jumped him out of the blue.

Is that what you’d say if this had happened to your kid?

No, I might also be in denial that my kid was a belligerent drunk who initiated the incident by taunting a group of people who were otherwise minding their own business over their baseball fandom, and who, when those people started to move on, decided to provoke them further for the fun of it.

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Anonymous wrote:A statement for the family indicated that they are dealing with waves of unimaginable sadness, anger, and appreciation. It further said the sadness will be coped with over time and the anger will be directed where it is appropriate.

Where did you find the statement? Google is failing me.

Google Diviney family statement. London Times Mirror. Sept. 1. From Facebook page too.

^ Loudoun

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Anonymous wrote:A statement for the family indicated that they are dealing with waves of unimaginable sadness, anger, and appreciation. It further said the sadness will be coped with over time and the anger will be directed where it is appropriate.

Okay, so let them decide for themselves where it’s appropriately directed.

Of course.

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Anonymous wrote:A statement for the family indicated that they are dealing with waves of unimaginable sadness, anger, and appreciation. It further said the sadness will be coped with over time and the anger will be directed where it is appropriate.

Where did you find the statement? Google is failing me.

Google Diviney family statement. London Times Mirror. Sept. 1. From Facebook page too.

Anonymous wrote:A statement for the family indicated that they are dealing with waves of unimaginable sadness, anger, and appreciation. It further said the sadness will be coped with over time and the anger will be directed where it is appropriate.

Where did you find the statement? Google is failing me.

Anonymous wrote:A statement for the family indicated that they are dealing with waves of unimaginable sadness, anger, and appreciation. It further said the sadness will be coped with over time and the anger will be directed where it is appropriate.

Okay, so let them decide for themselves where it’s appropriately directed.