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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

There's a shortage of OBs in America. OBs do not need to worry about "competition" to make money.

Rural America has a shortage because there’s less money there. This area has a massive glut of OBs. Women are overwhelmed by the options.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

NP here. The important piece of the findings was in the last two paragraphs. Learn to examine things beyond the headlines.

the last two paragraphs where they find homebirth is dangerous no matter what kind of midwife?

The important piece of the article is :


"The discrepancy between survival rates for home and hospital births in the U.S. is not seen in developed nations like England, the Netherlands, Germany and Australia.

These countries tend to screen expectant mothers for risk factors like age or obesity that might endanger their newborns if they opt for a home birth, the authors note in the American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology."



But it's not a sensational headline. We don't do birth the right way in this country, but instead of fixing that we'd rather have Ob vs midwife wars. Home birth vs Hospital birth wars.

Anonymous wrote:Things can suddenly and unpredictably go wrong with what is expected to be a perfectly normal delivery. The mom made the decision to do an at home birth, rather than delivering in a hospital which can do an emergency C section quickly if problem crops up. I understand why people would prefer a home setting, or a birthing center (better), but don’t understand why anyone would think that is worth risking the life or brain cells of a newborn child.

I feel sorry for the women who were strapped to tables , drugged against their will and given medications that killed or permanently disfigured their babies during the same period all under the care of doctors.

Anonymous wrote:Things can suddenly and unpredictably go wrong with what is expected to be a perfectly normal delivery. The mom made the decision to do an at home birth, rather than delivering in a hospital which can do an emergency C section quickly if problem crops up. I understand why people would prefer a home setting, or a birthing center (better), but don’t understand why anyone would think that is worth risking the life or brain cells of a newborn child.

Because they have had their baby die after a c-section in a hospital at the hands of doctors.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

he’s anti-midwife? his research shows that hospital-based midwives are safe. But yeah, nice ad hominen attack.

There is a universe of difference between the woman who is the topic of this thread and a “hospital-based midwife.”

the point I am making is that all HOME birth is dangerous, whether attended by a CNM or a crazy fake midwife like this one. Birth in the hospital with a CNM is fine.

All birth is dangerous. You don't want to have a home birth. Don't have one. Don't tell other women what they should do.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

he’s anti-midwife? his research shows that hospital-based midwives are safe. But yeah, nice ad hominen attack.

Yes he wants control over birthing. Giving midwives a more prominent role , they way they do in the rest of the world means he loses control. Midwives are mostly women. Nurses and nurse/midwives are mostly women. Doctors and OBs have traditionally been male dominated. This doctor once to control women.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

he’s anti-midwife? his research shows that hospital-based midwives are safe. But yeah, nice ad hominen attack.

There is a universe of difference between the woman who is the topic of this thread and a “hospital-based midwife.”

the point I am making is that all HOME birth is dangerous, whether attended by a CNM or a crazy fake midwife like this one. Birth in the hospital with a CNM is fine.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

he’s anti-midwife? his research shows that hospital-based midwives are safe. But yeah, nice ad hominen attack.

There is a universe of difference between the woman who is the topic of this thread and a “hospital-based midwife.”

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

NP here. The important piece of the findings was in the last two paragraphs. Learn to examine things beyond the headlines.

the last two paragraphs where they find homebirth is dangerous no matter what kind of midwife?

Things can suddenly and unpredictably go wrong with what is expected to be a perfectly normal delivery. The mom made the decision to do an at home birth, rather than delivering in a hospital which can do an emergency C section quickly if problem crops up. I understand why people would prefer a home setting, or a birthing center (better), but don’t understand why anyone would think that is worth risking the life or brain cells of a newborn child.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

he’s anti-midwife? his research shows that hospital-based midwives are safe. But yeah, nice ad hominen attack.

My father, the 8th child of Italian immigrants, was the first born in a hospital in 1942. I always felt sorry for my grandmother that she had no choice but to deliver 7 babies at home. One of the babies was a set of twins, and she died at birth. The other was in a wheelchair from some affliction. Modern medicine should not be shunned as insignificant in favor of a romanticized view of childbirth at home.

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Anonymous wrote:There's a huge diff between a qualified and non-qualified home birth provider. This woman had 50 births and seems to be pro no intervention including prenatal care AND took a breech birth at home. That's what's irresponsible, not the idea of home birth, period.

Yup. This. Home with a qualified midwife, someone who has completed a program at SUNY or similiar is just as safe as with an OB ina hospital. The US would be wise to push for training more qualified midwives and making use of them the way the rest of the world does.

actually a big study just found that the type of attendant does not matter - home birth is riskier no matter what. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-homebirths-newborn-mortality-idUSKBN20N0R0

Dr. Grunebaum is anti midwife. He has an agenda. He is not pro safe birth for women and children He is pro lining the pockets of OB's giving midwives a prominent role they way they do in the rest of the world ( with better outcomes) would mean less money for him.

There's a shortage of OBs in America. OBs do not need to worry about "competition" to make money.

Ultimately at home doesn't have a NICU. Clearly home births are not as safe.

Anonymous wrote:I have had 2 hospital births and 1 homebirth. The nicest birth was by far the homebirth. My midwife was a NP-midwife with EMT training who had been at over 1,000 births.

I managed to have vaginal births for all of them. I hired a doula for the second and third.

I think you can be educated and make good decisions and have both homebirth and hospital births lead to good experiences. That is my approach to health and medicine in general. I never understand why people have to malign one or the other. Quality, professionalism, education and experience count no matter where you end up.

Precisely.