Anonymous
05/24/2019 15:58
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
Strongly disagree with above comment. SWS has the highest PARCC scores on the hill, and if I'm not mistaken, highest outside of Ward 3. Those are upper elem kids. SWS seems loosey goosey which makes a lot of parents nervous but it appears that SWS does a good job "dealing with upper elementary."
PP here - I was not referring to their PARCC scores, which really are a reflection of demographics. I am talking about SWS not dealing well with social behavior and challenging advanced learners. Oh and how they have a problem with the upper elementary art teacher spot. For all the art they espouse, not much happens after early elementary.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 15:27
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How does the performance of students with disabilities and at-risk students compare?
SWS doesn't meet the N for reporting at risk students.
School Name Assessment Type Subject Subgroup Subgroup Value Percent Meeting or Exceeding Expectations Total Number Valid Test Takers
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC ELA Student Group At-Risk 54.8% 31
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC ELA Student Group At-Risk n<10 n<10
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC ELA Student Group Students with Disabilities 26.3% 19
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC ELA Student Group Students with Disabilities 50.0% 22
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC Math Student Group At-Risk 25.8% 31
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC Math Student Group At-Risk n<10 n<10
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC Math Student Group Students with Disabilities 26.3% 19
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC Math Student Group Students with Disabilities 63.6% 22
The students with disabilities comparison is fairly meaningless, because at SWS that almost exclusively means HFA b/c of their special placement program... I think DCPS actually even acknowledges somewhere that the "students with disabilities" category lumps together physical and mental disabilities so may not be particularly useful when comparing schools that have a "random" assortment of disabled students to schools that have a special program targeting one kind of disability.
I’m the person who keeps pasting data from the OSSE spreadsheet. Fair point! Another issue is that for groups close to the minimum reporting size, one or two kids getting a three versus a four on the PARCC matters a lot.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 14:24
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How does the performance of students with disabilities and at-risk students compare?
SWS doesn't meet the N for reporting at risk students.
School Name Assessment Type Subject Subgroup Subgroup Value Percent Meeting or Exceeding Expectations Total Number Valid Test Takers
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC ELA Student Group At-Risk 54.8% 31
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC ELA Student Group At-Risk n<10 n<10
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC ELA Student Group Students with Disabilities 26.3% 19
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC ELA Student Group Students with Disabilities 50.0% 22
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC Math Student Group At-Risk 25.8% 31
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC Math Student Group At-Risk n<10 n<10
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC Math Student Group Students with Disabilities 26.3% 19
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC Math Student Group Students with Disabilities 63.6% 22
The students with disabilities comparison is fairly meaningless, because at SWS that almost exclusively means HFA b/c of their special placement program... I think DCPS actually even acknowledges somewhere that the "students with disabilities" category lumps together physical and mental disabilities so may not be particularly useful when comparing schools that have a "random" assortment of disabled students to schools that have a special program targeting one kind of disability.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 14:20
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
You should check your math. It's wrong
False. People seem to find it impossible to understand that demographics drive the aggregate scores. Particularly in a city with an achievement gap as large as DC's, dis-aggregating the data tells you way more. In the sense that matters, L-T has the best test scores on the Hill. Full stop. Now, maybe you don't think test scores matter at all. Fine. But if you do, dis-aggregating the data is the only way to find out about much of anything beyond the demographics of a school.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 14:18
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:How does the performance of students with disabilities and at-risk students compare?
SWS doesn't meet the N for reporting at risk students.
School Name Assessment Type Subject Subgroup Subgroup Value Percent Meeting or Exceeding Expectations Total Number Valid Test Takers
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC ELA Student Group At-Risk 54.8% 31
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC ELA Student Group At-Risk n<10 n<10
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC ELA Student Group Students with Disabilities 26.3% 19
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC ELA Student Group Students with Disabilities 50.0% 22
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC Math Student Group At-Risk 25.8% 31
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC Math Student Group At-Risk n<10 n<10
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School PARCC Math Student Group Students with Disabilities 26.3% 19
School-Within-School @ Goding PARCC Math Student Group Students with Disabilities 63.6% 22
Anonymous
05/24/2019 14:17
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
You should check your math. It's wrong
Not according to the new report cards.
LT https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0271/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
SWS https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0175/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
Here's the data
School Name Subject Subgroup Value Percent Meeting or Exceeding Expectations Total Number Valid Test Takers
School-Within-School @ Goding ELA Black/African American 40.0% 15
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School ELA Black/African American 66.0% 94
School-Within-School @ Goding ELA White/Caucasian 86.1% 72
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School ELA White/Caucasian 90.5% 21
School-Within-School @ Goding Math Black/African American 20.0% 15
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School Math Black/African American 35.1% 94
School-Within-School @ Goding Math White/Caucasian 90.3% 72
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School Math White/Caucasian 95.2% 21
wait two years when the white students flooding LT lower grades balance out those equity adjustments.
There's no equity adjustment. These are the actual scores. L-T has the highest scores on the Hill basically across the board for any individual subgroup. They just end up w/ a lower aggregate vis-a-vis some direct comparisons (not even all direct comparisons; I think they have the highest or close to the highest absolute ELA scores on the Hill) b/c they have different demographics. I know, I know, they drill and Brent and SWS do all art all the time and that's the only reason... Not to mention, there's absolutely no benefit later on to being drilled on how to take standardized tests.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:59
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
How does the performance of students with disabilities and at-risk students compare?
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:59
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
You should check your math. It's wrong
Not according to the new report cards.
LT https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0271/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
SWS https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0175/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
Here's the data
School Name Subject Subgroup Value Percent Meeting or Exceeding Expectations Total Number Valid Test Takers
School-Within-School @ Goding ELA Black/African American 40.0% 15
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School ELA Black/African American 66.0% 94
School-Within-School @ Goding ELA White/Caucasian 86.1% 72
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School ELA White/Caucasian 90.5% 21
School-Within-School @ Goding Math Black/African American 20.0% 15
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School Math Black/African American 35.1% 94
School-Within-School @ Goding Math White/Caucasian 90.3% 72
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School Math White/Caucasian 95.2% 21
wait two years when the white students flooding LT lower grades balance out those equity adjustments.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:53
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
You should check your math. It's wrong
Not according to the new report cards.
LT https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0271/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
SWS https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0175/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
Here's the data
School Name Subject Subgroup Value Percent Meeting or Exceeding Expectations Total Number Valid Test Takers
School-Within-School @ Goding ELA Black/African American 40.0% 15
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School ELA Black/African American 66.0% 94
School-Within-School @ Goding ELA White/Caucasian 86.1% 72
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School ELA White/Caucasian 90.5% 21
School-Within-School @ Goding Math Black/African American 20.0% 15
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School Math Black/African American 35.1% 94
School-Within-School @ Goding Math White/Caucasian 90.3% 72
Ludlow-Taylor Elementary School Math White/Caucasian 95.2% 21
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:32
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
You should check your math. It's wrong
Not according to the new report cards.
LT https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0271/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
SWS https://dcschoolreportcard.org/schools/1-0175/metric/parcc_msaa_34_reading?lang=en
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:27
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
You should check your math. It's wrong
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:18
Subject: Re:Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is true. I sometimes wonder if Spanish immersion was a good choice for Tyler ES a decade back. Payne's prospects look brighter to me, with a snazzy renovation a few years ago, strong new leadership, greater community buy-in in the lower grades all the time, and hundreds of new residential units going up in the Payne District.
If I were the chancellor, I would cluster Brent and Tyler. Make the smaller school all bilingual and the larger monolingual and let everyone in-boundary rank their preferences. More bilingual seats and greater economic diversity.
Clustering is the solution to improving Miner, Payne, and Tyler that freaks everyone the f out. But I am in favor of it. EH should be closed and combined with SH or Jefferson. QED.
I would love to see Maury and Miner clustered (you could make Miner the PK3-1 and Maury the 2-5) and Brent and Tyler clustered (one bilingual one not).
If EH closes and everyone gets a right to SH (closer than Jefferson) the school would be overcrowded. One option would be to put all the 6th and 7th graders at one and the 8th graders at another (or do 5th and 6th at one, 7&8 at the other, and leave more room for PK-4 at the elementaries). It would also help if Payne became a Jefferson feeder and SWS stopped having a feeder--it's a citywide school so everyone could just go to their IB MS.
SWS feeder irrelevant as very few families no one goes to EH. Maybe DCPS should let SWS go through 8th grade like CHML
Horrible idea - SWS has a hard time dealing with upper elementary, which is part of the reason why people aren’t unhappy to jump to charter at 5th.
The parents who jump from SWS do so in 5th grade, not 3rd or 4th, and they do so for the exact same reasons that Brent and Maury families leave - because they see a better MS path in charters. A lot of those families would stay through 8th if the option was there. For a school that spends zero time doing PARCC prep SWS still scores among the highest in DC, including 5th grade.
Super white + achievement gap. LT has higher scores for both white kids and AA kids. Hard to compare tho -- only 15 of 102 test takers at SWS were African American last year.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 12:53
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
I would suggest looking at Van Ness if the idea of a newer house appeals to you. I think it's a lovely school (not saying the others aren't too) and the Navy Yard is walkable to Barracks Row, Eastern Market, etc. For us it came down to a housing-type choice (we aren't handy and we didn't want to take on an older house, no matter how lovely).
Anonymous
05/24/2019 12:10
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
^^ This is not to say that Brent and Maury aren't great schools; they are. I just don't think L-T parents perceive a quality gap (if they ever did) or a cohort gap (which they definitely used to) anymore. People have very short memories and forget that the first big "IB" class at Maury are only 8th graders this year and the first class where Maury looked like Maury looks now (almost exclusively IB) is now 5th graders. Once the shift comes, it happens and solidifies quickly. Looking at L-T's trajectory and housing stock, I would place a large bet that only 5 years from now people will laugh at the idea that L-T used to be tiered differently than Brent and Maury.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 12:02
Subject: Best Cap Hill elementary to middle?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My DH and 3 of his colleagues have all had to make this choice in the past year. All have or will have multiple kids; oldest is 4.5. Very highly educated but only decently paid profession means that school zones (for ES + MS) are the chief driver of location selection. 3 went with L-T and 1 went with Brent. Just one data point.
Interesting. I know many who left ludlow for other schools after pk. Main objection was lots of tv time. Two others I know moved so their kids could attend Maury.
We've owned a house in the Ludlow-Taylor District for 15 years, a couple blocks from the school. None of our longtime professional friends or neighbors enrolled there after K until the new (male) principal arrived several years ago. Everybody we know with little kid went private, charter, or lotteried into SWS, Maury, Brent or Tyler Spanish Immersion under Principle Cobbs and her successor, who lasted just two school years. The parents of 3, 4 and 5 year-olds around us do seem to be planning to stay at Ludlow into the upper grades. The program is obviously on the up and up, but I'm not buying that most IB parents would still choose it over Maury, SWS or Brent for the upper grades. It's still very hard for Ludlow to compete with schools whose PTAs raise six figures, other than Watkins. In 3 or 4 years, things surely will be different.
I live IB for L-T and know almost no one who plans to lottery for Brent or Maury for the upper grades once they've started at L-T. I have no doubt this used to happen in the past, but whereas as recently as 2015-2016, a non-trivial number of OOBers got in for PK3 and PK4 and there were 5 / 6 / 10 lottery spots for K / 1 / 2 and then 25 / 31 / 2 additional WL offers, last year there were no OOBers who got in for PK3 or 4 (and there was an IB WL) and there were 3 / 3 / 0 lottery spots for K / 1 / 2 with 0 / 4 / 0 WL offers. It's just a totally different school in the lower grades in terms of where the kids are coming from and to what degree they're staying.