Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:35     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:The American-Indian Hindu was raised here and got his schooling in this country. Since the schooling is so pathetic here, do you expect him to have good general knowledge?

I bet he is still wealthier than you. As for Jesus being a man? I am sure he knows now and it does not make an iota of difference to his life. Do you know who SRK is?



OP is a Fudging Troll. He is also an entitled asshole and I won't be surprised that he is also a Trumpian InCel. He is using the same kind of logic to get offended.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:33     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.


OP - That does not effect myself personally. The one Hindu in particular was born and raised in NJ and his parents came here in their 20s. His wife was born and raised in Long Island, her parents also moved here in their 20s. He actually has children and have Hindu first names and are learning Hindi and only eat Indian food every day. Fine that is their culture.

But absolutely astounded when they thought Jesus was some mythical God like Zeus or Thor and did not know Jesus was in human form when on Earth. Not asking them to believe it, but did you not turn on a TV in December in your entire life, did you not even every talk to a non-Hindu.

I dont care anymore but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story. Dont mean they believe any of it. But come on now. I dont care about their beliefs but dont say stupid things. Like the time we went to a steakhouse with our Catholic Boss during a Friday in Lent and the Hindu says I got Vegetarian but you should eat the steak. Then Boss says he cant eat Meat it is a Friday and says he may get Fish. Then the guy pushes it one more and said if you are not eating red meat the Chicken is good. Finally he says I am ok I am getting Fish.

OMG- next day I had to tell him about Lent and Fish is not Meat .


For Hindus - Fish, Meat, Chicken - every thing is non-vegetarian. It makes no sense for you to go to a Steakhouse during Lent, especially when you are with a Hindu who is a vegetarian and does not eat beef. Would you be eating pork in front of a Jewish or a muslim person?

You all seem to be entitled asshole and follow a religion that does not teach you to be better human beings.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:29     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.


OP - That does not effect myself personally. The one Hindu in particular was born and raised in NJ and his parents came here in their 20s. His wife was born and raised in Long Island, her parents also moved here in their 20s. He actually has children and have Hindu first names and are learning Hindi and only eat Indian food every day. Fine that is their culture.

But absolutely astounded when they thought Jesus was some mythical God like Zeus or Thor and did not know Jesus was in human form when on Earth. Not asking them to believe it, but did you not turn on a TV in December in your entire life, did you not even every talk to a non-Hindu.

I dont care anymore but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story. Dont mean they believe any of it. But come on now. I dont care about their beliefs but dont say stupid things. Like the time we went to a steakhouse with our Catholic Boss during a Friday in Lent and the Hindu says I got Vegetarian but you should eat the steak. Then Boss says he cant eat Meat it is a Friday and says he may get Fish. Then the guy pushes it one more and said if you are not eating red meat the Chicken is good. Finally he says I am ok I am getting Fish.

OMG- next day I had to tell him about Lent and Fish is not Meat .



Wasn't he? I grew up in the US and always thought the whole Jesus story was a mythical story. There is no historical record of him.

And I don't remember when you're supposed to eat the meat. Is it not on Sundays?

Why do you think people care enough about your religion to know all of the silly little rules.



This is a big difference between most Jews and many Christians. Most Jews recognize the Old Testament is largely myth. We are supposed to believe in God but all the other stories are really just that — stories. I find a lot of Christians seem more insistent that the Bible is literal.


To clarify even the Jews who would most take issue with the notion of the Torah being myth, do not interpret it in the same manner as Christian fundamentalists. The existence of allegorical meanings, mystical meanings, and "midrashic" meanings (IE readings that use minor quibbles about textual puzzles as the basis for dramatically innovative readings) are of long standing alongside the "pshat" - direct reading. And the direct reading is not literal, but allows for figures of speech, etc.

And even most who say, do not believe in miracles, would still see much that is not mythical in the Hebrew bible. Certainly most of the stories of the Judean kings, the existence and message of the prophets (whether they were really telling what they had heard from G-d or not) etc
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:24     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.


OP - That does not effect myself personally. The one Hindu in particular was born and raised in NJ and his parents came here in their 20s. His wife was born and raised in Long Island, her parents also moved here in their 20s. He actually has children and have Hindu first names and are learning Hindi and only eat Indian food every day. Fine that is their culture.

But absolutely astounded when they thought Jesus was some mythical God like Zeus or Thor and did not know Jesus was in human form when on Earth. Not asking them to believe it, but did you not turn on a TV in December in your entire life, did you not even every talk to a non-Hindu.

I dont care anymore but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story. Dont mean they believe any of it. But come on now. I dont care about their beliefs but dont say stupid things. Like the time we went to a steakhouse with our Catholic Boss during a Friday in Lent and the Hindu says I got Vegetarian but you should eat the steak. Then Boss says he cant eat Meat it is a Friday and says he may get Fish. Then the guy pushes it one more and said if you are not eating red meat the Chicken is good. Finally he says I am ok I am getting Fish.

OMG- next day I had to tell him about Lent and Fish is not Meat .


Ah. I think we may have found the confusion. Zeus and other greek gods DID walk the earth (in Greek mythology) I guess something similar with some Hindu gods. So naturally he sees a parallel (not realizing there are relatively few stories of Jesus doing stuff NOT on earth - but see the cool battle with Satan in Paradise Lost)

For a completely abstract not walking on earth god you need either the Hebrew bible God, or Allah in the Quran. I think your Hindu friend realizing that Jesus was not like that, considered him more like greek or hindu gods. Not realizing that the gospels and Pauls letters were written only a few years after the time claimed for the life of Jesus - so whether historical Jesus existed or not, his historicity is a more serious possibility than for say, Zeus.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:19     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
The American-Indian Hindu was raised here and got his schooling in this country. Since the schooling is so pathetic here, do you expect him to have good general knowledge?

I bet he is still wealthier than you. As for Jesus being a man? I am sure he knows now and it does not make an iota of difference to his life. Do you know who SRK is?

Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:18     Subject: Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:I’m a different poster. I don’t think Judaism has a single perspective on Jesus. Some students tell me Jesus was a misguided rabbi. Others say their rabbi said he never existed at all. And a few said they were taught he was a real person that Gebtiles misinterpreted.


Who are your students? Are they rabbis? Are they learned in Jewish texts? Are they getting this from A. A major Jewish text? B. Something they heard in one rabbi's sermon one day? C. Something they heard from a Christian? D. Something they made up themselves? E. Some pop culture book on the historic Jesus? F Some secular academic book on the historic Jesus?

I would be reluctant to say that anything some Jew believes is a "Jewish perspective". I mean different Jews have different opinions on the ending of Game of Thrones but I wouldn't call those different perspectives of Judaism on GOT. I realize you may consider this a silly example, but I think it still makes the point.

Ideally a "Jewish perspective" would come from either A. A widely accepted text (IE the Talmud, Midrash, Maimonides, etc) B. An influential Jewish thinker (Rosenzweig, etc) C. At least a substantial body of rabbis or textually informed lay people

Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:14     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.


OP - That does not effect myself personally. The one Hindu in particular was born and raised in NJ and his parents came here in their 20s. His wife was born and raised in Long Island, her parents also moved here in their 20s. He actually has children and have Hindu first names and are learning Hindi and only eat Indian food every day. Fine that is their culture.

But absolutely astounded when they thought Jesus was some mythical God like Zeus or Thor and did not know Jesus was in human form when on Earth. Not asking them to believe it, but did you not turn on a TV in December in your entire life, did you not even every talk to a non-Hindu.

I dont care anymore but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story. Dont mean they believe any of it. But come on now. I dont care about their beliefs but dont say stupid things. Like the time we went to a steakhouse with our Catholic Boss during a Friday in Lent and the Hindu says I got Vegetarian but you should eat the steak. Then Boss says he cant eat Meat it is a Friday and says he may get Fish. Then the guy pushes it one more and said if you are not eating red meat the Chicken is good. Finally he says I am ok I am getting Fish.

OMG- next day I had to tell him about Lent and Fish is not Meat .



Wasn't he? I grew up in the US and always thought the whole Jesus story was a mythical story. There is no historical record of him.

And I don't remember when you're supposed to eat the meat. Is it not on Sundays?

Why do you think people care enough about your religion to know all of the silly little rules.



This is a big difference between most Jews and many Christians. Most Jews recognize the Old Testament is largely myth. We are supposed to believe in God but all the other stories are really just that — stories. I find a lot of Christians seem more insistent that the Bible is literal.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 11:05     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.


OP - That does not effect myself personally. The one Hindu in particular was born and raised in NJ and his parents came here in their 20s. His wife was born and raised in Long Island, her parents also moved here in their 20s. He actually has children and have Hindu first names and are learning Hindi and only eat Indian food every day. Fine that is their culture.

But absolutely astounded when they thought Jesus was some mythical God like Zeus or Thor and did not know Jesus was in human form when on Earth. Not asking them to believe it, but did you not turn on a TV in December in your entire life, did you not even every talk to a non-Hindu.

I dont care anymore but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story. Dont mean they believe any of it. But come on now. I dont care about their beliefs but dont say stupid things. Like the time we went to a steakhouse with our Catholic Boss during a Friday in Lent and the Hindu says I got Vegetarian but you should eat the steak. Then Boss says he cant eat Meat it is a Friday and says he may get Fish. Then the guy pushes it one more and said if you are not eating red meat the Chicken is good. Finally he says I am ok I am getting Fish.

OMG- next day I had to tell him about Lent and Fish is not Meat .



Wasn't he? I grew up in the US and always thought the whole Jesus story was a mythical story. There is no historical record of him.

And I don't remember when you're supposed to eat the meat. Is it not on Sundays?

Why do you think people care enough about your religion to know all of the silly little rules.

Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 10:32     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story.


Geezus STFU already OP you're sounding more and more like an asshole by the minute.
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 10:27     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.


OP - That does not effect myself personally. The one Hindu in particular was born and raised in NJ and his parents came here in their 20s. His wife was born and raised in Long Island, her parents also moved here in their 20s. He actually has children and have Hindu first names and are learning Hindi and only eat Indian food every day. Fine that is their culture.

But absolutely astounded when they thought Jesus was some mythical God like Zeus or Thor and did not know Jesus was in human form when on Earth. Not asking them to believe it, but did you not turn on a TV in December in your entire life, did you not even every talk to a non-Hindu.

I dont care anymore but it is amazing, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Tribe Members and folks in Communist Countries with no religion know the story. Dont mean they believe any of it. But come on now. I dont care about their beliefs but dont say stupid things. Like the time we went to a steakhouse with our Catholic Boss during a Friday in Lent and the Hindu says I got Vegetarian but you should eat the steak. Then Boss says he cant eat Meat it is a Friday and says he may get Fish. Then the guy pushes it one more and said if you are not eating red meat the Chicken is good. Finally he says I am ok I am getting Fish.

OMG- next day I had to tell him about Lent and Fish is not Meat .
Anonymous
Post 05/22/2019 07:45     Subject: Re:Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
I still don't understand what OP is seeking. How does it affect your work life if someone has a different understanding than you about Jesus exactly? We've already clarified that you can deal with the scheduling issues about holidays, etc., in a way that doesn't get into this topic at all.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2019 20:00     Subject: Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.


Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.


I stand corrected with regards to Judaism and Jesus. My apologies.

That said, my statement still remains for Christians and Muslims. Their religions, with their legions of followers and mandatory 'donations', need Jesus to have been a real person. If they didn't have him they wouldn't have rock to stand on and they certainly couldn't justify their need to convert others which would hinder their numbers, their agenda, their votes and their pocketbook.


Not only do I believe Jesus is the living God, I also believe he died for your sin and conquered death and was resurrected. Sorry man.


Nothing to be sorry about. You lead your life, pp will lead theirs and at the end, if you're right, you'll go to heaven and pp will go to hell - their choice.

Alternatively, if you're wrong, you'll both just die.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2019 17:05     Subject: Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.


Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.


I stand corrected with regards to Judaism and Jesus. My apologies.

That said, my statement still remains for Christians and Muslims. Their religions, with their legions of followers and mandatory 'donations', need Jesus to have been a real person. If they didn't have him they wouldn't have rock to stand on and they certainly couldn't justify their need to convert others which would hinder their numbers, their agenda, their votes and their pocketbook.


Not only do I believe Jesus is the living God, I also believe he died for your sin and conquered death and was resurrected. Sorry man.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2019 17:04     Subject: Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
I’m a different poster. I don’t think Judaism has a single perspective on Jesus. Some students tell me Jesus was a misguided rabbi. Others say their rabbi said he never existed at all. And a few said they were taught he was a real person that Gebtiles misinterpreted.
Anonymous
Post 05/21/2019 17:00     Subject: Most Indians Hindus I Meet Don't Realize Jesus was an Actual Person
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Jews believe Jesus exists. He was considered a Rabbi in fact

The Muslims agree Jesus exists but dont think he was crucified but went straight to Heaven.

Vast Majortiy of Academic Schollars think he was a person as plenty of evidence

Perhaps the Hindus deny it soley as it goes against the whole concept of their religion that has no heaven or hell.


Or perhaps the Jews, Christians, and Muslims need to believe he existed or it pretty much nullifies the basis of their Abrahamic religion.

If Jesus didn't exist, your entire religious world would crumble, you'd have to admit that you were wrong, and there goes the very important control over the lives, the wallets and the blind faith of millions of people.


I stand corrected with regards to Judaism and Jesus. My apologies.

That said, my statement still remains for Christians and Muslims. Their religions, with their legions of followers and mandatory 'donations', need Jesus to have been a real person. If they didn't have him they wouldn't have rock to stand on and they certainly couldn't justify their need to convert others which would hinder their numbers, their agenda, their votes and their pocketbook.


How is Jesus relevant to Muslims? You have a lot to learn about religions.


Nope, I'm not wrong about his relevance in Islam. There are entire sections in the Quran that discuss Jesus as a prophet and his virgin birth to Mary aka Maryam. They do not believe he was crucified though. To them, he was risen to heaven before the crucifixion and someone else was used in his place.

It states all this in the Quran which, to Muslims, can not be refuted as that would be blasphemy since Allah says the Quran is true.