Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 21:21     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard that expelled and other problem students can be sent to a different school. Is that true? If so, wouldn't FCPS need to provide transportation?


It's called involuntary transfer. I don't know about transportation.

As you might imagine, it typically knocks students off the diploma track.


Transportation is provided by the county. I'm the PP whose child was in a class with a kid (our neighbor) who had serious issues and was finally sent to a center. There is a special bus that comes through our neighborhood and picks up/drops off the student every day. It is not the same bus that goes to the base school or AAP center.


The problem arises when the kid with issues has parents that are well versed in the issues, because the parents blame EVERYONE ELSE.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 21:20     Subject: Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

"The behavior is out of control but the principal wants to show reduced statistics so there are no consequences and we are told to not send kids to the office. Kids punch a teacher and arexdight back in class after taking a calming walk with an adult, which is reinforcing to them."

+1

THIS.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 19:57     Subject: Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:I went to FCPS as a kid and got a solid education, back in the late 70s and 80s. Then I have taught here for 30 years. Here is what has changed in elementary schools.

No textbooks or workbooks. Well, one for social studies that was riddled with errors and corrected. Every lesson has to be downloaded off the computer by a teacher. Every lesson has to show differentiation if a principal walks in. Did you notice the part about no books? I have to group the kids into reading groups and then go find multiple copies of a book to read with them while the rest of them work on something independently and then we switch. I have to keep anecdotal records on every kid in the reading groups, and I can’t help the kids who are working at their seats because I am in a reading group.

I’m supposed to do project based learning along with drilling for Ecart and SOLs. I have to think up projects and find supplies and manage all that while I am keeping data on how many times the three special ed kids get out of their seats and I am checking the kid with autism every ten minutes to give him a token if he has not hit anyone. I have no spelling or grammar books. I’m supposed to teach that as embedded in my writing lessons, as kids are ready. The ESL kid is writing a complete sentence. The AAP kid is writing a book.

For math we are drawing pictures of times tables instead of memorizing them, and I want the kids to do actual problems on paper I must download a worksheet and go copy it.
The behavior is out of control but the principal wants to show reduced statistics so there are no consequences and we are told to not send kids to the office. Kids punch a teacher and arexdight back in class after taking a calming walk with an adult, which is reinforcing to them.
Now we’re going to give every kid a computer so they can increase their screen time?

It breaks my heart, and I’m a teacher who has won teaching awards and honors. I’m sick about it.


All the parents are behind you, but teachers say they want to be the ones people listen to. So speak up. Even if not by yourself, figure out a way for the groups that represent teachers to bring this stuff up.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 18:06     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard that expelled and other problem students can be sent to a different school. Is that true? If so, wouldn't FCPS need to provide transportation?


It's called involuntary transfer. I don't know about transportation.

As you might imagine, it typically knocks students off the diploma track.


Transportation is provided by the county. I'm the PP whose child was in a class with a kid (our neighbor) who had serious issues and was finally sent to a center. There is a special bus that comes through our neighborhood and picks up/drops off the student every day. It is not the same bus that goes to the base school or AAP center.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 17:07     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP here. Link to the Brabrand story: https://wamu.org/story/19/04/03/we-have-fallen-short-fairfax-schools-officials-release-findings-from-isolation-review/#.XKUWkmdSKX0


You're easy to please.

After the accident at Franconia ES, Brabrand also took responsibility, made a statement and halted use of the motorized dividers when children are present.

So you don't have to be concerned about that either.


Undoubtedly, public statements and apologies in themselves aren't enough, but they are a positive step. The follow-up is what counts.

On the motorized divide issue, are there any recent developments?
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 17:00     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard that expelled and other problem students can be sent to a different school. Is that true? If so, wouldn't FCPS need to provide transportation?


It's called involuntary transfer. I don't know about transportation.

As you might imagine, it typically knocks students off the diploma track.


Not really concerned about their diploma. So you can threaten someone at one school and get sent to another? I wonder if they use the AAP buses for shipping off the problems.


I didn't think you would be. Of course, even UMC kids get caught up in this system. Not your kid. But maybe his friend?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/suicide-turns-attention-to-fairfax-discipline-procedures/2011/02/14/AB9UtxH_story.html?utm_term=.ca58c1b8eeb4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-schools-discipline-under-scrutiny-after-teens-suspension-for-medication/2011/03/08/ABZBiZQ_story.html?utm_term=.1b32ae53ea1d

https://wtop.com/virginia/2015/05/fewer-students-expelled-fairfax-county-ends-zero-tolerance-policy/


Pp here: Yes, this involved an older student who befriended and showed interest in my student early in the school year. This person allegedly threatened another love interest at school and has not been seen since. Word was expulsion and rightfully so! We dodged a bullet. I don't care what happened to the expelled student. I do not want that person around. And yet I'm hearing (don't know for sure this person's situation) that expelled and problem students are transferred out. I guess they wouldn't be sitting at home but now are possibly someone else's problem.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 16:58     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

PP again, apologies for the number of posts, but here is information from the seclusion/restraint discussion at the April 2 School Board Work Session, for anyone who's interested.

Slides: https://www.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BAUVM757EC73/$file/Restraint%20and%20Seclusion%20April%202.pdf

Meeting video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n88mqg5Hn6E&feature=youtu.be

Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 16:54     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:PP here. Link to the Brabrand story: https://wamu.org/story/19/04/03/we-have-fallen-short-fairfax-schools-officials-release-findings-from-isolation-review/#.XKUWkmdSKX0


You're easy to please.

After the accident at Franconia ES, Brabrand also took responsibility, made a statement and halted use of the motorized dividers when children are present.

So you don't have to be concerned about that either.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 16:36     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 16:34     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You sound beyond hysterical. Statistically, I'd feel more comfortable safety-wise with a child in FCPS than at any number of private schools that have had their own issues and been less transparent about them.


Ah yes, name calling, the last refuge of people on DCUM who can't argue based on issues and facts.

Transparency at FCPS? That's rich. You did hear that they somehow "forgot" to submit several years of federally required seclusion/restraint data to the Office of Civil Rights, right? Or are you ok with this apparent lack of transparency?

https://wamu.org/story/19/03/13/children-are-routinely-isolated-in-some-fairfax-county-schools-the-district-didnt-report-it/

How about this name calling: You sound like an FCPS apologist.


PP here who posted about FCPS withholding seclusion and restraint data. They have come clean. Brabrand accepts full responsibility. Do you recall how I "hysterically", as some said, called for accountability from FCPS?

“We have been remiss in our data collection and data reporting requirements for many years,” Brabrand said Tuesday. “I want to publicly acknowledge that my initial public response did not adequately take responsibility and ownership of these issues, nor did they include a plan to suggest the concerns that were noted. And for that, I am fully responsible.


It's time that the FCPS and Fairfax County leadership step up and take ownership. It appears to be happening, and that's a good thing.

Next we need to call on Sharon Bulova and the Board of Superintendents to take ownership of the problem with sexual predators at FCPS and SACCs. In addition to the multitude of other issues, but these are a good place to start.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 16:10     Subject: Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Two kids at a FCPS HS and I've been very happy with the education, teachers, and leadership of FCPS. There are some issues to be sure, but I don't see it as a decline, but as continuous refinement.

I have seen a decline in FCPS PARENTS who believe that they are entitled to special treatment and who expect more for less (i.e., higher expectations but with inadequate increases in teacher salary, property tax rates, etc.


Did you mean you’ve seen an increase? I would agree with that.


+1

PP here. I think this is the exact problem, and the parents are not wanted in the school or anywhere - because a few bad (psychotic) apples ruin it for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 16:09     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard that expelled and other problem students can be sent to a different school. Is that true? If so, wouldn't FCPS need to provide transportation?


It's called involuntary transfer. I don't know about transportation.

As you might imagine, it typically knocks students off the diploma track.


Not really concerned about their diploma. So you can threaten someone at one school and get sent to another? I wonder if they use the AAP buses for shipping off the problems.


I didn't think you would be. Of course, even UMC kids get caught up in this system. Not your kid. But maybe his friend?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/suicide-turns-attention-to-fairfax-discipline-procedures/2011/02/14/AB9UtxH_story.html?utm_term=.ca58c1b8eeb4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-schools-discipline-under-scrutiny-after-teens-suspension-for-medication/2011/03/08/ABZBiZQ_story.html?utm_term=.1b32ae53ea1d

https://wtop.com/virginia/2015/05/fewer-students-expelled-fairfax-county-ends-zero-tolerance-policy/


FCPS is known for being disproportionate and completely backward about discipline, in an effort to protect only themselves. I know students who have committed outright ASSAULT who have been allowed to stay in school, at the same school, with little or no discipline imposed, not so much as a detention. I also know students who have been involved in a large group chat: NOT during school hours, happening NOT more than once, NOT consisting of more than five words, NOT to the person directly, NOT having initiated anything, and who have been accused of "cyber bullying" when that was not the case at all - in fact, it met NONE of the parameters for cyberbullying. Zero.

You tell me, of those two examples, which student is NOT safe at school, IRL. It is really backward. Anything to protect FCPS, at any expense. I am surprised that parents and FCPS do not get sued more often, but I highly suspect that will be on the uptick before long. These two incidents involved two acquaintances of mine. The disparity in results, the lack of priorities, and the negligence of FCPS were/are mind boggling.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 14:56     Subject: Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Two kids at a FCPS HS and I've been very happy with the education, teachers, and leadership of FCPS. There are some issues to be sure, but I don't see it as a decline, but as continuous refinement.

I have seen a decline in FCPS PARENTS who believe that they are entitled to special treatment and who expect more for less (i.e., higher expectations but with inadequate increases in teacher salary, property tax rates, etc.


Did you mean you’ve seen an increase? I would agree with that.


Good catch! yes, I meant to say that there are more parents who believe they are entitled.......
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 13:40     Subject: Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:Two kids at a FCPS HS and I've been very happy with the education, teachers, and leadership of FCPS. There are some issues to be sure, but I don't see it as a decline, but as continuous refinement.

I have seen a decline in FCPS PARENTS who believe that they are entitled to special treatment and who expect more for less (i.e., higher expectations but with inadequate increases in teacher salary, property tax rates, etc.


Did you mean you’ve seen an increase? I would agree with that.
Anonymous
Post 04/03/2019 13:27     Subject: Re:Please SOUND OFF if you think FCPS is in decline!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I heard that expelled and other problem students can be sent to a different school. Is that true? If so, wouldn't FCPS need to provide transportation?


It's called involuntary transfer. I don't know about transportation.

As you might imagine, it typically knocks students off the diploma track.


Not really concerned about their diploma. So you can threaten someone at one school and get sent to another? I wonder if they use the AAP buses for shipping off the problems.


I didn't think you would be. Of course, even UMC kids get caught up in this system. Not your kid. But maybe his friend?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/suicide-turns-attention-to-fairfax-discipline-procedures/2011/02/14/AB9UtxH_story.html?utm_term=.ca58c1b8eeb4

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/fairfax-schools-discipline-under-scrutiny-after-teens-suspension-for-medication/2011/03/08/ABZBiZQ_story.html?utm_term=.1b32ae53ea1d

https://wtop.com/virginia/2015/05/fewer-students-expelled-fairfax-county-ends-zero-tolerance-policy/