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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

It's even worse than that. It hurts the credibility of the government, it pits Americans against each other in that some foolishly and gullibly believe what he says while others are angered and outraged about being lied to and gaslit. It hurts the credibility of the US internationally, but worse yet, Trump is actually basing policy decisions on his lies which in turn does actual harm to millions, for example his lies about Obamacare and attempts to repeal, his lies about climate change, et cetera.

Cry me a river.
Obamacare was built on one huge lie. Or, actually - many.
You can keep your doctor. You can keep your plan. It will save you money.
All of them - lies.

80% of Americans did in fact keep their existing doctors. But do go on with the bullshit GOP talking points.

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

It's even worse than that. It hurts the credibility of the government, it pits Americans against each other in that some foolishly and gullibly believe what he says while others are angered and outraged about being lied to and gaslit. It hurts the credibility of the US internationally, but worse yet, Trump is actually basing policy decisions on his lies which in turn does actual harm to millions, for example his lies about Obamacare and attempts to repeal, his lies about climate change, et cetera.

Cry me a river.
Obamacare was built on one huge lie. Or, actually - many.
You can keep your doctor. You can keep your plan. It will save you money.
All of them - lies.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

It's even worse than that. It hurts the credibility of the government, it pits Americans against each other in that some foolishly and gullibly believe what he says while others are angered and outraged about being lied to and gaslit. It hurts the credibility of the US internationally, but worse yet, Trump is actually basing policy decisions on his lies which in turn does actual harm to millions, for example his lies about Obamacare and attempts to repeal, his lies about climate change, et cetera.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

Fair point.

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

That you are actually placing his ridiculous bragging in the same category as the other FAKE EVENTS shows how absurd you are.

Aw, you’re cute.

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

That you are actually placing his ridiculous bragging in the same category as the other FAKE EVENTS shows how absurd you are.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

It hurt the entire country when he started normalizing the idea of “alternative facts.”

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Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

I disagree. His claim was stupid and false, but it didn't hurt anyone. Unlike the claim that the Covington kid actually did something, which he didn't. Or that Trump voters attacked Smollett, which they didn't.

Anonymous wrote:No one can top Trump claiming to have had the biggest inauguration crowds. That is the yardstick by which all future fake news will be measured,

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First statement:

The only presidential campaign to pay for Russian dirt was Hillary’s campaign. Let’s just be honest here.

We now have actual facts.


2nd statement:

Except for the actual fact that Fusion GPS was hired to get dirt by the GOP first, before Hillary.

So, let me explain to you.......

The first poster's whole point was that it was Hillary's campaign that actually paid Russians for dirt.
You, presumably, then responded that the GOP hired Fusion GPS first. (statement in bold above)

Your statement doesn't really address the 1st poster's point. It doesn't matter if a GOP person hired Fusion GPS. THE POINT IS THAT THE CLINTON CAMPAIGN IS THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY PAID THE RUSSIANS. It was THEN that Christopher Steele came on board and the Russians got involved. I guess you might call that "collusion."

The first poster's statement is accurate and you and your retorts have only muddied the waters. That was likely your intent all along.

Sorry but there is a lot more to this and it all needs responding to - your side is the one trying to muddy waters, by

It is an accurate statement to say that most national campaigns conduct opposition research, not just Hillary, so first let's stop pretending there was anything evil or unusual about that
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It is an accurate statement to say that Republicans started the anti-Trump opposition research with Fusion GPS, so let's stop pretending that isn't the case or that it somehow isn't relevant.

It is an accurate statement to say that Russian collusion is not the only thing that matters, dirt is dirt.

It is NOT an accurate statement to say "Hillary paid Russians" and rest there as if it had significance, because that is a deceptive statement without going into nuances. Did Steele work directly with Putin's henchmen in Russia, or did he work with his prior network of MI6 moles, did he work with Russian anti-Putin intelligence assets in Russia. HUGE difference, and as much as you'd like to try and flip the narrative to claim that Hillary was the colluder (as has been done in many conservative circles) that doesn't pass muster. Merely talking to a Russian does not mean you are colluding with Putin - as your own side has said many times in defense of Trump.

I'm not at all the one muddying waters here. I'm the one picking at the important nuances here that you want to just schlop over with muddy water.

The truth is that we have no idea who Steele worked with to get his information. No idea.
The bottom line is that the Hillary campaign accused Trump of doing exactly what she was doing all along.... working with a foreign national (Steele) to get information from foreign sources (Russians, presumably).