Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 13:00     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:I feel like there's a real viral marketing opportunity for ASU here. Hope they take advantage of it.


Arizona State?

I am not following.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 13:00     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
If you read the charging documents it’s clear the parents went to great lengths to make sure their kids •didn’t• know their test answers were corrected. What a betrayal and a way to find out your parents don’t think you’re good enough.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:59     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
So Huffman had her daughter diagnosed for "extra time" to take the SAT, had her retake them, had a special proctor flown in to administer the test, and that proctor helped her change answers/corrections to get a higher score?!

Why isn't the child also indicted? The high schooler also knew what was happening.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:59     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Does everyone recall those Sony Pictures hacked emails from about five years ago? Weren't there lots of emails in there that talked about bribing their kids into Ivy League schools? I vaguely recalled $500,000 donation and Brown being written about, but I could be wrong.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:59     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Heh if you have to cheat to get into UCSD that's really lame.


Awesome. Quote of the Year!


Not to mention its was $250k!!!
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:59     Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to get the data on these kids and compare their success to the rest of the population in their respective schools.

They probably performed the same.


I also wonder how far back this goes. I'm sure some of the children who benefited have graduated already. What happens to their degrees? Do they get revoked/nullified/whatever you call it?

I'm pretty sure this has been going on for *years*. Rich people have their set of rules.


My boss's kid could not get into law school on his own. Boss donated $100,000 to Southern Illinois University School of Law and they still said "No." (And he was a trustee for SIU!) Boss then donated $1 million to Northern Illinois University and that did the trick. Kid got a law degree and a license and then proceeded to destroy the family law firm.


LOL that's funny

Didn't Kushner's dad pay to get him into Harvard? It was at least a $1M.

Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:59     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This should be interesting with big time schools involved.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/feds-uncover-massive-college-entrance-exam-cheating-plot-n982136


Hm, sounds about white.


nice one.


+++
I thought so too
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:58     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why they need to bribe? Why not just donate like everyone else does?


Well in the penn situation, it’s a function of price.

It costs about 2-4 million in giving if you want your kid in at Penn.

But bribing a coach to put a recruit tag on you can be had as low as 75-100k.

Coaches in the Ivy League are poorly paid so are ripe targets for bribes.


Didn't Michael Cohen's son and daughter go to Penn? I seriously doubt he paid anywhere close to $4M-8M if he had to grease the skids.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:58     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Wow! Now I hate everyone involved. And I used to like Felicity Huffman and William Macey. This is disgusting and really sad.

Shame! Shame! Shame!
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:58     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
When you have everything in the world and it still isn't enough. So very sad.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:57     Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I would love to get the data on these kids and compare their success to the rest of the population in their respective schools.

They probably performed the same.


I also wonder how far back this goes. I'm sure some of the children who benefited have graduated already. What happens to their degrees? Do they get revoked/nullified/whatever you call it?

I'm pretty sure this has been going on for *years*. Rich people have their set of rules.[/quote

My boss's kid could not get into law school on his own. Boss donated $100,000 to Southern Illinois University School of Law and they still said "No." (And he was a trustee for SIU!) Boss then donated $1 million to Northern Illinois University and that did the trick. Kid got a law degree and a license and then proceeded to destroy the family law firm.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:56     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:No students charged...yet.

I dunno, if the students were minors at the time of committing test fraud, wouldn't they get a pass? Expulsion from college, yes, but criminal charges?
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:55     Subject: Re:Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:Well crap - I guess Arizona State Unversity wasn't good enough for Lori Loughlin and Mossimo Giannuli's little angel. Both daughters are adults now - one is a 18-year-old senior year at high school and another is a freshman at USC (not for long).




194.Defendants MOSSIMO GIANNULLI and LORI LOUGHLIN(collectively, “the GIANNULLIS”), a married couple, are residents of Los Angeles, California. GIANNULLI is a fashion designer. LOUGHLIN is an actress.
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195.As set forth below, the GIANNULLIS agreed toa pay bribes totaling $500,000in exchange for having their two daughters designated as recruits to the USC crew team—despite the fact that they did not participate in crew—thereby facilitating their admission to USC.

196.On or about April 22, 2016, GIANNULLI, copying LOUGHLIN, sent an e-mail to CW-1, noting:We just met with [our older daughter’s]college counselor this am. I’d like to maybe sit with you after your session with the girls as I have some concerns and want to fully understand the game plan and make sure we have a roadmap for success as it relates to [our daughter] and getting her into a school other than ASU!

197.CW-1 responded, “If you want [U]SC I have the game plan ready to go into motion. Call me to discuss.”

198.In an e-mail on or about July 24, 2016, CW-1 advised GIANNULLI that his older daughter’s academic qualificationswere at orjust below the “low end” of USC’s admission standards. Thereafter, theGIANNULLIS agreed with CW-1to use bribesto facilitate her admission to USCas a recruited crew coxswain, even though she did not row competitivelyor otherwise participate in crew.


If these women get the boot from USC, what college will now accept them? How would they trust their transcripts?
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:55     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the downside of holistic admissions. Too easy to manipulate the results.

Yet another reason why schools should no longer be allowed to offer preferences or scholarships to athletes.




It wasn't just athleticism. These parents paid people to take the SAT and ACTs in place of their kids and submit those scores in the admissions packet.

They'll get them on all counts of fraud.


Look, colleges have been known to drop students if they do something inappropriate during their senior year of High School. This is outright fraud on the part of the students and their families. The students know they didn't take the SAT or ACT and yet mysteriously got a great score; the students know they don't play certain sports and yet are getting accepted due to their sports performance.


I scanned the 200-page complaint. It looks like at least some of the students did take the SAT and /or ACT, just with accommodations at a particular testing center. One parent was warning Key to not make the corrected score too high or the kid wouldn’t believe it. Obviously the athletes who weren’t athletes are a different case, but from what I read it seems possible that the kids didn’t know.
Anonymous
Post 03/12/2019 12:55     Subject: Feds uncover large-scale college entrance exam cheating plot
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is the downside of holistic admissions. Too easy to manipulate the results.

Yet another reason why schools should no longer be allowed to offer preferences or scholarships to athletes.




It wasn't just athleticism. These parents paid people to take the SAT and ACTs in place of their kids and submit those scores in the admissions packet.

They'll get them on all counts of fraud.


Look, colleges have been known to drop students if they do something inappropriate during their senior year of High School. This is outright fraud on the part of the students and their families. The students know they didn't take the SAT or ACT and yet mysteriously got a great score; the students know they don't play certain sports and yet are getting accepted due to their sports performance.


And then what happens when those amazing athletes show up?

No way schools didn't realize something fishy was going on.


The coach orders them on the bench for the first year and then off the team their sophomore year.

I'm sure they greased palms so no one questioned but it wouldn't have been too remarkable to have some 'extras' on the soccer or crew team that you just bench unless absolutely necessary. And these kids weren't getting athletic scholarships, just admission to the school based on performance levels.

No contract says they need to stay on the team especially since mommy and daddy bought them high SAT/ACT scores as well.