Anonymous
02/06/2019 16:04
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
You don't think her background was considered when she was applying for jobs?
I see nothing here indicating that she put down American Indian when applying for a job - just on her form when she registered for the Bar.
So, she claimed to be white on all other forms she filled out.
That means she lied on this one. Do you not see that as a problem?
I don't even know if race was on the other forms she filled out. Maybe she saw herself as both races, and sometimes put down one or the other. Until you can tell me where she put down American Indian and show that it benefitted her this is a "nothing burger".
“Nothingburger”? Okay Hillary, here are some other questionable things Warren did with regard to claiming to be Cherokee in order to further her career:
1. Warren self identified as “Native American” in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Professors, in every print edition from 1986-1995
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/04/29/elizabeth-warren-was-listed-minority-professor-law-directories-and/yBZTdrH3Qt8xRu6KZkLDlO/amp.html
2. After joining Penn, Warren had the school change her listed ethnicity from white to “Native American”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/30/elizabeth-warren-acknowledges-telling-harvard-penn-native-american-status/e7rnUDG6kAKvjZJQNr8wjL/story.html
3. Warren was identified by Harvard Law as a “woman of color” Harvard promoted Warren’s hiring as an expansion of campus diversity by hiring a woman of “minority background “ on their faculty
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/24/federal-documents-indicate-harvard-repeatedly-reported-elizabeth-warren-native-american/OZdiCFhjx5CCH3Es0sREHM/amp.html
4. Warren submitted several recipes to the Native American cookbook “Pow Wow Chow” and referred to herself in that book as “Elizabeth Warren- Cherokee”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146628/Elizabeth-Warrens-Pow-Wow-Chow-Cherokee-recipes-word-word-COPIES-famous-FRENCH-chefs-techniques.html
5. Warren used offensive, racially charged language to support her claim of Cherokee ancestry, stating that her family had “high cheekbones” like “all the Indians do”
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html
The Texas bar registration card that is in the news is just a symptom of a larger issue
She’s nailed. To the wall. Begone faker.
She’s an arrogant and ignorant person who just couldn’t stop.
My goodness what a fraud.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:58
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
If you talk with American families who've been here since the 1700's, most of them have a story saying they are part Indian. I know we did, the family loved to trot the story out. Personally I was always skeptical. Took a DNA test about a year ago, and nope, zero American Indian heritage.
Elizabeth Warren definitely pushed the envelope farther than anyone in my family, but I can see how it happens. I bet it's a story she heard her whole life. To me it doesn't look like she intended any malice, if anything she was proud of being part American Indian.
Elizabeth Warren definitely pushed the envelope farther than anyone in my family, but I can see how it happens. I bet it's a story she heard her whole life. To me it doesn't look like she intended any malice, if anything she was proud of being part American Indian.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:39
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
You don't think her background was considered when she was applying for jobs?
I see nothing here indicating that she put down American Indian when applying for a job - just on her form when she registered for the Bar.
So, she claimed to be white on all other forms she filled out.
That means she lied on this one. Do you not see that as a problem?
I don't even know if race was on the other forms she filled out. Maybe she saw herself as both races, and sometimes put down one or the other. Until you can tell me where she put down American Indian and show that it benefitted her this is a "nothing burger".
“Nothingburger”? Okay Hillary, here are some other questionable things Warren did with regard to claiming to be Cherokee in order to further her career:
1. Warren self identified as “Native American” in the Association of American Law Schools Directory of Professors, in every print edition from 1986-1995
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/04/29/elizabeth-warren-was-listed-minority-professor-law-directories-and/yBZTdrH3Qt8xRu6KZkLDlO/amp.html
2. After joining Penn, Warren had the school change her listed ethnicity from white to “Native American”
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/30/elizabeth-warren-acknowledges-telling-harvard-penn-native-american-status/e7rnUDG6kAKvjZJQNr8wjL/story.html
3. Warren was identified by Harvard Law as a “woman of color” Harvard promoted Warren’s hiring as an expansion of campus diversity by hiring a woman of “minority background “ on their faculty
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/24/federal-documents-indicate-harvard-repeatedly-reported-elizabeth-warren-native-american/OZdiCFhjx5CCH3Es0sREHM/amp.html
4. Warren submitted several recipes to the Native American cookbook “Pow Wow Chow” and referred to herself in that book as “Elizabeth Warren- Cherokee”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146628/Elizabeth-Warrens-Pow-Wow-Chow-Cherokee-recipes-word-word-COPIES-famous-FRENCH-chefs-techniques.html
5. Warren used offensive, racially charged language to support her claim of Cherokee ancestry, stating that her family had “high cheekbones” like “all the Indians do”
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/29/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american-pocahontas/index.html
The Texas bar registration card that is in the news is just a symptom of a larger issue
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:23
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:This just supports that she believed she was Native American - which supports what she says now. OK? so what?
Her and Rachel Dolezal need to get together for coffee and trade stories.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:09
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
You don't think her background was considered when she was applying for jobs?
I see nothing here indicating that she put down American Indian when applying for a job - just on her form when she registered for the Bar.
Democrat here. I thought this was all ok when it was just a story she told that she had heard over and over but I don't know how she survives this. This is misrepresenting herself fundamentally, trying to coopt native american identity. I think this sinks her ship.
And I don't think it matters one bit if she received direct benefits. The fact that she did that is crazy. It would be like putting down 'black' on the form.
I am sure there are some people who have some african american background who put down black on some forms. I don't see that as reason to not vote for them.
I am tired of these gotcha games over trivia.
If they look like Elizabeth Warren than that would be wrong. How did you feel about Rachel Dolezal?
And honestly that analogy totally ignores the history of Native American people in this country, the issues around how they have essentially been wiped out by colonialism and the sensitivity about determining ancestry via blood blah blah blah.
It is cray to lie about your race on paperwork. I have irish ancestors but I don't say I'm Irish under race because I am white and VERY American.
I have 7% Sub-Saharan ancestry - got the 23&Me results to prove it. I wouldn't dream of putting African American as my race on any forms. Doing so would be insane.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:03
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Dcum can spin this all day long, but she is finished.
Warren supporters should think about where to go.
Personally, I like Bernie
Klobuchar allllll the way
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:02
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
+1
+1 million. She could identify as being from the moons of Jupiter and it would not make a lick of difference on whether she was admitted to the Bar or not. You either pass the Bar exam or waive in based on your previous documented years of practice.
Her family thought they had Cherokee ancestors. My family has similar lore, but the story was much less developed. It's not uncommon and certainly isn't getting you ahead with the State Bar.
Have you ever written down 'native american' as a race?
No, but my husband, who loves to dog on Elizabeth Warren, loves to tell people about it.
I finally had to break it to him that what's gone on in my family is what went on in Warren's, except with mine the Cherokee ancestor was allegedly several generations back, so was much more diluted even if it was true.
So you are fully aware that you claiming Cherokee heritage would have been complete BS.
Maybe your husband is a hypocrite but you seem perfectly aware of what she did wrong since you'd never have done it yourself.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 15:01
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Dcum can spin this all day long, but she is finished.
Warren supporters should think about where to go.
Personally, I like Bernie
Warren supporters should think about where to go.
Personally, I like Bernie
Anonymous
02/06/2019 14:53
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
It goes into directories. Potential employers see it. The ancestor Warren claimed had American Indian ancestry is in common with another decendant. That decendant married an man with American Indian ancestry. Based on his ancestry he was able to claim land for himself and their children http://www.pollysgranddaughter.com/2012/06/elizabeth-warrens-ancestry-part-3.html
Paper records exist. The wife? White. The researcher did work like Prof Gates.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 14:23
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
+1
+1 million. She could identify as being from the moons of Jupiter and it would not make a lick of difference on whether she was admitted to the Bar or not. You either pass the Bar exam or waive in based on your previous documented years of practice.
Her family thought they had Cherokee ancestors. My family has similar lore, but the story was much less developed. It's not uncommon and certainly isn't getting you ahead with the State Bar.
Have you ever written down 'native american' as a race?
No, but my husband, who loves to dog on Elizabeth Warren, loves to tell people about it.
I finally had to break it to him that what's gone on in my family is what went on in Warren's, except with mine the Cherokee ancestor was allegedly several generations back, so was much more diluted even if it was true.
How can your Native American heritage be "much more diluted" than Warren's 1/648 % Native American heritage?
Anonymous
02/06/2019 14:16
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
+1
+1 million. She could identify as being from the moons of Jupiter and it would not make a lick of difference on whether she was admitted to the Bar or not. You either pass the Bar exam or waive in based on your previous documented years of practice.
Her family thought they had Cherokee ancestors. My family has similar lore, but the story was much less developed. It's not uncommon and certainly isn't getting you ahead with the State Bar.
Have you ever written down 'native american' as a race?
No, but my husband, who loves to dog on Elizabeth Warren, loves to tell people about it.
I finally had to break it to him that what's gone on in my family is what went on in Warren's, except with mine the Cherokee ancestor was allegedly several generations back, so was much more diluted even if it was true.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 13:58
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
You don't think her background was considered when she was applying for jobs?
I see nothing here indicating that she put down American Indian when applying for a job - just on her form when she registered for the Bar.
1986: writes this on document
1987: gets hired at UPenn
just a conincidence
She was a young new lawyer, and was hired shortly after joining the Bar. Whatever, sure. You want coincidences, look here https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
She was not a new lawyer in 1986. She had already become a tenured law professor, associate dean, and researcher/expert on bankruptcy.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 13:51
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
+1
+1 million. She could identify as being from the moons of Jupiter and it would not make a lick of difference on whether she was admitted to the Bar or not. You either pass the Bar exam or waive in based on your previous documented years of practice.
Her family thought they had Cherokee ancestors. My family has similar lore, but the story was much less developed. It's not uncommon and certainly isn't getting you ahead with the State Bar.
Have you ever written down 'native american' as a race?
Anonymous
02/06/2019 13:48
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
You don't think her background was considered when she was applying for jobs?
I see nothing here indicating that she put down American Indian when applying for a job - just on her form when she registered for the Bar.
Democrat here. I thought this was all ok when it was just a story she told that she had heard over and over but I don't know how she survives this. This is misrepresenting herself fundamentally, trying to coopt native american identity. I think this sinks her ship.
And I don't think it matters one bit if she received direct benefits. The fact that she did that is crazy. It would be like putting down 'black' on the form.
I am sure there are some people who have some african american background who put down black on some forms. I don't see that as reason to not vote for them.
I am tired of these gotcha games over trivia.
If they look like Elizabeth Warren than that would be wrong. How did you feel about Rachel Dolezal?
And honestly that analogy totally ignores the history of Native American people in this country, the issues around how they have essentially been wiped out by colonialism and the sensitivity about determining ancestry via blood blah blah blah.
It is cray to lie about your race on paperwork. I have irish ancestors but I don't say I'm Irish under race because I am white and VERY American.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 13:47
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Warren has enraged the leadership of the Cherokee nation. Does that count for nothing?