Anonymous
02/06/2019 10:59
Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:do you know prep classes are not the magic pills that get kids into magnet programs?
if they are so effective that they can turn a regular kid into a super high achieving kid by just doing ~1 class per week for 2~3 month then MCPS should look no further for their new curriculum search!
I knew several people sent their kids to those prep classes and those kids were not accepted. kids really need to be super smart to be able to get in.
I am totally for providing more opportunity to highly able low SES students, but using the excuses that high SES kids got in just because of prep is just ridicules.
+2. If test prep is that effective, MCPS should have all kids take it and then provide magnet curriculum in all schools. On average, MCPS spends 16,000 on each kid each year. If we have the test prep once every three years, it is only roughly 1000/3. It’s certainly manageable.
A few years ago, DC wanted to join one of these classes since there were some friends going there. We ended up not joining because we did not think it was necessary. Guess what - DC ended up qualifying for both MS and HS magnets. Most of those friends ended up going to home schools as they did not qualify for the magnets, except for two; but those two were way above grade level since ES well before they started any of these classes.
So, if anyone thinks these classes have the secret sauce - they never had it, even with the previous admissions test.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 02:28
Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:do you know prep classes are not the magic pills that get kids into magnet programs?
if they are so effective that they can turn a regular kid into a super high achieving kid by just doing ~1 class per week for 2~3 month then MCPS should look no further for their new curriculum search!
I knew several people sent their kids to those prep classes and those kids were not accepted. kids really need to be super smart to be able to get in.
I am totally for providing more opportunity to highly able low SES students, but using the excuses that high SES kids got in just because of prep is just ridicules.
+2. If test prep is that effective, MCPS should have all kids take it and then provide magnet curriculum in all schools. On average, MCPS spends 16,000 on each kid each year. If we have the test prep once every three years, it is only roughly 1000/3. It’s certainly manageable.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 17:41
Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:do you know prep classes are not the magic pills that get kids into magnet programs?
if they are so effective that they can turn a regular kid into a super high achieving kid by just doing ~1 class per week for 2~3 month then MCPS should look no further for their new curriculum search!
I knew several people sent their kids to those prep classes and those kids were not accepted. kids really need to be super smart to be able to get in.
I am totally for providing more opportunity to highly able low SES students, but using the excuses that high SES kids got in just because of prep is just ridicules.
+1
I completely agree. Prep doesn't help in the manner it is always dramatized here on DCUM. Some kids benefit from prep, some do not, mcps is looking at a multitude of factors to determine magnet eligibility.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 16:42
Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
do you know prep classes are not the magic pills that get kids into magnet programs?
if they are so effective that they can turn a regular kid into a super high achieving kid by just doing ~1 class per week for 2~3 month then MCPS should look no further for their new curriculum search!
I knew several people sent their kids to those prep classes and those kids were not accepted. kids really need to be super smart to be able to get in.
I am totally for providing more opportunity to highly able low SES students, but using the excuses that high SES kids got in just because of prep is just ridicules.
if they are so effective that they can turn a regular kid into a super high achieving kid by just doing ~1 class per week for 2~3 month then MCPS should look no further for their new curriculum search!
I knew several people sent their kids to those prep classes and those kids were not accepted. kids really need to be super smart to be able to get in.
I am totally for providing more opportunity to highly able low SES students, but using the excuses that high SES kids got in just because of prep is just ridicules.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 16:30
Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Nice read from 2013 about magnet prepping that is surely nonexistent in 2019 https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/60/287329.page#3216242
Anonymous
02/05/2019 16:15
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
So you’ve polled everyone in SMACS? i If no one is preppping, a survey would validate or refute either assertion.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No worse or better than assumptions about diversity. However you would be hard pressed to find a majority of students in these programs who haven’t benefited from the things outlined above. That’s not to say these students aren’t studying but that does not make them any more deserving than the students who are able to work hard independently and maintain high grades and excel without weekly prep courses and tutors because their parents can afford to do so. An interesting research study would be to poll the current students in these programs about the level of prep work they received.Anonymous wrote:I am seriously curious about how MCPS "separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses"? just looking at their cohort?
Does that means all kids who has a large cohort at home MS do great because of extra prep? that sounds like quite a unfair generalization IMO. So kids should be negative impacted just because their parents have successful career?
and who has the means to "get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school"? as far as I know MCPS does not allow parents picking teachers or classroom.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:no more like separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses at 1k a pop or families with personal and professional means to get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Isn't that just an assumption here, that the kids who did not get picked had the benefit of all those? What if a kid who studied hard to be 'better' rounded than the ones who were picked only for cohort reasons?
My kid is a Blair SMAC senior and I do not know anyone in his class who did magnet prep classes (which we didn't even know were a thing until last year), or has had tutoring. No one.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 15:56
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:No worse or better than assumptions about diversity. However you would be hard pressed to find a majority of students in these programs who haven’t benefited from the things outlined above. That’s not to say these students aren’t studying but that does not make them any more deserving than the students who are able to work hard independently and maintain high grades and excel without weekly prep courses and tutors because their parents can afford to do so. An interesting research study would be to poll the current students in these programs about the level of prep work they received.Anonymous wrote:I am seriously curious about how MCPS "separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses"? just looking at their cohort?
Does that means all kids who has a large cohort at home MS do great because of extra prep? that sounds like quite a unfair generalization IMO. So kids should be negative impacted just because their parents have successful career?
and who has the means to "get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school"? as far as I know MCPS does not allow parents picking teachers or classroom.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:no more like separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses at 1k a pop or families with personal and professional means to get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Isn't that just an assumption here, that the kids who did not get picked had the benefit of all those? What if a kid who studied hard to be 'better' rounded than the ones who were picked only for cohort reasons?
My kid is a Blair SMAC senior and I do not know anyone in his class who did magnet prep classes (which we didn't even know were a thing until last year), or has had tutoring. No one.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 15:43
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:
Isn't that just an assumption here, that the kids who did not get picked had the benefit of all those? What if a kid who studied hard to be 'better' rounded than the ones who were picked only for cohort reasons?
By your own admission this research has not been done, so why do you say that we will find majority of students have benefited from things outlined.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 15:37
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
No worse or better than assumptions about diversity. However you would be hard pressed to find a majority of students in these programs who haven’t benefited from the things outlined above. That’s not to say these students aren’t studying but that does not make them any more deserving than the students who are able to work hard independently and maintain high grades and excel without weekly prep courses and tutors because their parents can afford to do so. An interesting research study would be to poll the current students in these programs about the level of prep work they received.Anonymous wrote:I am seriously curious about how MCPS "separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses"? just looking at their cohort?
Does that means all kids who has a large cohort at home MS do great because of extra prep? that sounds like quite a unfair generalization IMO. So kids should be negative impacted just because their parents have successful career?
and who has the means to "get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school"? as far as I know MCPS does not allow parents picking teachers or classroom.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:no more like separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses at 1k a pop or families with personal and professional means to get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Isn't that just an assumption here, that the kids who did not get picked had the benefit of all those? What if a kid who studied hard to be 'better' rounded than the ones who were picked only for cohort reasons?
Anonymous
02/05/2019 13:48
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
I am seriously curious about how MCPS "separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses"? just looking at their cohort?
Does that means all kids who has a large cohort at home MS do great because of extra prep? that sounds like quite a unfair generalization IMO. So kids should be negative impacted just because their parents have successful career?
and who has the means to "get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school"? as far as I know MCPS does not allow parents picking teachers or classroom.
Does that means all kids who has a large cohort at home MS do great because of extra prep? that sounds like quite a unfair generalization IMO. So kids should be negative impacted just because their parents have successful career?
and who has the means to "get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school"? as far as I know MCPS does not allow parents picking teachers or classroom.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:no more like separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses at 1k a pop or families with personal and professional means to get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Isn't that just an assumption here, that the kids who did not get picked had the benefit of all those? What if a kid who studied hard to be 'better' rounded than the ones who were picked only for cohort reasons?
Anonymous
02/05/2019 12:57
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:no more like separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses at 1k a pop or families with personal and professional means to get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Isn't that just an assumption here, that the kids who did not get picked had the benefit of all those? What if a kid who studied hard to be 'better' rounded than the ones who were picked only for cohort reasons?
Anonymous
02/05/2019 12:52
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
no more like separating the highly intelligent children who excel without the benefit of tutors, kumon, ssat and magnet prep courses at 1k a pop or families with personal and professional means to get their children the right classes and teachers in elementary school.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Anonymous
02/05/2019 12:52
Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
+1 in addition to parcc scores, there are report card grades, district assetments, cohort studies, cogat (both national and mcps percentiles), several years worth of maps scores, in all honesty it's the whole package, mcps is looking for a well rounded kid with consistent high scores to accept into the middle school magnet program.
I can understand the rest of items above pointing to a well rounded child but how do Cohort studies factor in? Isn't that just a wiggle room for them to pick for diversity?
Cohort doesn’t mean diversity. Cohort means cohort! Some kids don’t have it and they get priority over kids who do. Try to understand that it isn’t against you, it is for someone else.