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Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

+1 - How long can these workers go without pay? They can get a decent job in the private sector at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

People who can’t make mortgage payments and car payments and college tuition payments don’t work without pay indefinitely. He’s got another week, maybe 2, before CPB, air trafffic control, TSA, etc. start quitting.

Anonymous wrote:The last government shutdown was over $3.4B for healthcare. The GOP said it was too expensive and we didn't have the money. So if we couldn't afford $3.4 for healthcare, how is it we can afford $5B for a wall?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

But it's not just 5 billion.

I’m a contractor and a Dem, no way should he get $5B for the wall! I’m out of work and won’t make back pay but the wall is f*king stupid. There is already a wall!

$5B is just a small fraction of the wall. To fully complete the wall, we will need $35-60B in total. And it won't even work when nearly 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays.

There's so many better uses for that money.

+1 You don't need a wall in this era of information technology. The problem is that cheap lawless employers like Trump prefer to hire undocumented workers and to avoid using e-verify.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Yeah, way to stop it by closing down the Government so CBP has to work without pay and immigration cases are stuck in federal courts. So. Much. Winning. We should start by prosecuting POTUS for his failure to use e-verify at his properties so he could pay his undocumented cleaning staff lower wages.

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

Anonymous wrote:The shutdown will end when the Muller report (or first of several) comes to light. Then there will be a shift in thinking in the Senate. I predict something like a CR until the January 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.

There's a time limit on DACA that has already passed. Those kids can't read and neither can you.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Dem, and I wish Congress would appropriate the $5 billion for his stupid f@cking wall and reopen the government. It is just a wall. Other walls (fences, whatever you want to call them) exist along the border. And frankly, I care much more about my own ability to pay my mortgage and support my family than I care about preventing a wall. So let him win.

You're not a true Dem. You're just selfish. No on the wall.

not selfish (I responded to Dem PP shortly after.)

Trump is a narc. You cannot rewire their brains. Give him the wall and let's learn and move on. I lived with a narc for many years. Trump is one of the worst narcs I've seen.

You don't bully a narc. You cut your losses.

Let's not be an enabler. No wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on how soon the Dems decide to approve $5 billion for the wall. I don’t see the President backing down. So I guess anywhere from one day to six years, assuming he gets a second term.

You really enjoy ordinary people suffering.

Not at all. But OP seemed to want an honest answer, so I tried my best to give her one. The truth is there’s not much that the OP or anyone else can do about it, other than perhaps phone their representatives daily and demand that they approve the money for the wall. Otherwise this very likely will drag on and on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do people have any idea how much schools are affected by this.

In 2012, Fairfax County Public Schools had 17% ESOL---that was up 1/3 over the year before because of the Unaccompanied Minors.

This year, FCPS has 29% ESOL.

Granted, some of these are a result of legal immigration. But, 29%? Not likely.

Most of these kids are on free lunch, and I would imagine other welfare programs. Certainly, if the kids are here, we must educate and feed them. Churches gather food to send home on weekends. I know because we help with that.

These ESOL programs mean that these kids require more resources than your "average" English speaking kid. Many of them also are in special education which also requires additional resources and money.

This is draining our schools in this area--and our taxes.

But a wall won't solve that problem. 60% of illegal immigration is from visa overstays. Most of those kids came here on a tourist visa and never went home. Or their parents overstayed and gave birth here.

I know the wall makes you feel good, but it's useless. The tunnel right under it. Save the money and implement e-Verify.

We need e-verify, too. But that will not solve the problem of the guys waiting for jobs at 7-11.

And, walls do help. Ask the Border Patrol. Yes, they build tunnels----but tunnels are a lot harder to build that walking in.

As for the kids, many of them came as unaccompanied minors over the border. Why do you think the number went up a third in 2012?

There are thousands that cross the southern border constantly. We need to stop it.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/15/us/questions-about-the-border-kids.html

These kids are not visa "overstays."

There has been another surge over the last year or so. Why? Because we cannot send them home once they are here. And, it started with hopes of DACA.