Anonymous
Post 01/05/2019 09:58     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
It sounds like she cheated by copying answers from someone nearby. The computers detected a similar answer pattern and she was flagged. If she studied and was able to make a 300 point increase, she should be able to score a similar score upon retaking the test. I’m guessing that she knows she wouldn’t be able to get the same score again and has turned to the media to avoid retaking the test.
Anonymous
Post 01/05/2019 07:41     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:Funny how so many in this thread are SURE there was no racism here and describe evidence of her cheating as “strong” when literally NO evidence has come out. We need a question administered before people can be ruled qualified to post in this thread:

Which is not evidence:

(a) your opinion
(b) anecdotes you pulled out of your ass
(c) anonymous posts online
(d) all of the above


Funny how many posters are certain there is a racial motivation absent any supporting facts. It’s helpful if you remember that in this country we presume innocence, not guilt.....see how that works?
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 23:54     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Did I understand the article correctly that the higher score was 1230?

That is still a really low SAT score, and would have more than a few incorrect answers. Is it possible that one section matched exactly the kid on one side of her, and the other section matched the kid on the other side?


1230 is 77th percentile nationally. Get out of your bubble!


But 1230 is still not scholarship level and in the article she is talking about scholarships.

She has a lot more to go if she wants scholarships.


1230 is still about 100 points lower than the acceptance average for U of Florida. It is not scholarship range. It is a hold my breath and hope my grades are good enough range.


Her dream is to attend Florida State, not U of Florida.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 15:59     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Funny how so many in this thread are SURE there was no racism here and describe evidence of her cheating as “strong” when literally NO evidence has come out. We need a question administered before people can be ruled qualified to post in this thread:

Which is not evidence:

(a) your opinion
(b) anecdotes you pulled out of your ass
(c) anonymous posts online
(d) all of the above
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 12:42     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


But none of the responses are saying this.


I just did.

You said “most who object”...do you understand what most means?


Apparently better than you understand what “none” means.


I read this exchange and PP, you are objectively an imbecile. Most of the people who objected in this thread tied the issue to the race of the student, conjuring up some phantom racism.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 12:17     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


But none of the responses are saying this.


I just did.

You said “most who object”...do you understand what most means?


Apparently better than you understand what “none” means.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:53     Subject: Re:Think she cheated on her SAT?
Princeton doesn’t require the CSS profile but instead has their own free form. I hope that other colleges start doing that too.

Maybe instead of being ‘test optional’ more colleges could have their own in-house tests too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Profile
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:49     Subject: Re:Think she cheated on her SAT?
The CSS profile, also run by the College Board and used by students to apply for Financial Aid and scholarships at private universities, is another example of a very poor product being provided and REQUIRED at a high cost. You have to pay to send it to each individual university (of course!) which means hundreds of dollars a year for them per student and the software is terrible. It’s as if they haven’t upgraded the software since the early 80’s. You can’t even save what you have entered and go back later and edit or finish the work and submit it . Nope - you can only save it and then that’s all you can do.

I hadn’t finished what I was entering but I saved my work to go back and edit it later and found that I could not. It was set in stone and as it was based on my child’s SS number I couldn’t even start over with a new account. Nope - I had to cross out any errors and write in any new information and fax it all to the colleges myself, in addition to sending the wrong form to the colleges first at my expense.

I learned this after being on the phone with the college board for hours (mostly hold time).

And yet they sell your kids’ information and profit from it. That they can do. But providecdecent software to use? No can do.

Somehow you can edit the federal FAFSA form as my times as you want before submitting it, but not the CSS profile provided by the College Board.

The College Board only exists to profit off of students who want to attend a university.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:39     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


What kind of control do they have? Even if a flagged test was the result of cheating, college board does not tell colleges about it and they allow the test taker to retake the test as many times as they want. No one would have ever known this particular young person's name if she or her family had not publicized the story. It could have all been handled, with whatever the outcome turned out to be, and no one else would have ever known anything about it.

If you're saying it is control just because they give the tests and decide what can be done with the scores, well, that is their job. They own the test and need to protect the integrity of the test.

Lots of schools are going test optional and any student can apply to a school that does not require test scores at all. There are alternatives to taking these tests, so again, I don't see these companies controlling all students.

There are two different, competing, companies giving these tests and schools that don't even require test scores. College Board does not control the lives of students. Students have choices they can make.


If this is her senior year, she is totally screwed. Even if the College Board doesn’t alert the school, she is still missing a test score that most colleges require for consideration. There are students on College Confidential who weren’t notified about their invalidated test until almost a year later in the Senior year. That SUCKS’

So what exactly do you suggest the College Board (Or teachers or professors, for that matter) do when they are presented with very strong evidence that something is not right?



Proctor the tests suitably in the first place.


My kids have had the worst proctor for their tests.

One had the kids start the wrong section - it wasn’t until the students said something that it was corrected...10 minutes later.

One didn’t even check IDs.

One had the tables configured too close to each other. (That made me nervous that the test would be invalidated. It was not)

Just a sample of fun times of SAT/ACT testing.


Exactly. So they take in tons of money and don’t provide a suitable testing environment. That is actually worth fighting.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:38     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


What kind of control do they have? Even if a flagged test was the result of cheating, college board does not tell colleges about it and they allow the test taker to retake the test as many times as they want. No one would have ever known this particular young person's name if she or her family had not publicized the story. It could have all been handled, with whatever the outcome turned out to be, and no one else would have ever known anything about it.

If you're saying it is control just because they give the tests and decide what can be done with the scores, well, that is their job. They own the test and need to protect the integrity of the test.

Lots of schools are going test optional and any student can apply to a school that does not require test scores at all. There are alternatives to taking these tests, so again, I don't see these companies controlling all students.

There are two different, competing, companies giving these tests and schools that don't even require test scores. College Board does not control the lives of students. Students have choices they can make.


If this is her senior year, she is totally screwed. Even if the College Board doesn’t alert the school, she is still missing a test score that most colleges require for consideration. There are students on College Confidential who weren’t notified about their invalidated test until almost a year later in the Senior year. That SUCKS’

So what exactly do you suggest the College Board (Or teachers or professors, for that matter) do when they are presented with very strong evidence that something is not right?



Proctor the tests suitably in the first place.


My kids have had the worst proctor for their tests.

One had the kids start the wrong section - it wasn’t until the students said something that it was corrected...10 minutes later.

One didn’t even check IDs.

One had the tables configured too close to each other. (That made me nervous that the test would be invalidated. It was not)

Just a sample of fun times of SAT/ACT testing.


Exactly. So they take in tons of money and don’t require a suitable testing environment. That is actually worth fighting.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:38     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:Why is everyone surprised at a 300 point jump? Especially from a low score like 900, with prep, this is not unheard of.

In my DC's prep classes, the low scorers at the beginning of the class had the highest score jumps/changes. Its very difficult to move the needle if you start with a score in the 1400s for example. But for the students who start lower, and study for several months (the accused in the article studied for what 6 months?), a jump in score is highly likely.


Yes, a jump like this through prep can surely happen. Retaking the test, for free, is the clearest way to confirm the score. You only have to score within 100 points of the flagged score for ETS to keep the higher score.

And, according to their website, they will never tell any colleges that the score was flagged, even if a student were to admit to cheating. A student who admits to cheating can retake the test as many times as they wish to pay for, and colleges will never know from College Board that the young person had admitted to cheating.

A test prep company has an article online that gives advice about how to handle a flagged score. They estimate that about 2500 scores are flagged each year, with about 1000 of those being confirmed in the end for the test taker. Not everyone who gets the letter follows the process, so the numbers of confirmed test scores could be higher. Some people just want to move on and they retake on their own, so they wouldn't be included in the confirmed numbers. (These numbers are not from ETS, but are estimates put together by a test prep company that sees a lot of test takers and sometimes has to help clients with big jumps in test scores that get flagged.)
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:37     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


And no one “wins” these canceled scores by SAT/ACT. Check College Confidential. It’s a rigged system.


lol....everyone’s a victim, right?


When two companies control a required test for most colleges in the US? YES.

There are many colleges in the US that don’t require tests anymore, and I suspect the list will continue to grow.

If you feel so strongly that the SAT and ACT are damaging to your progeny, there is a very simple solution.


The schools that good students want to go to will always ‘require the tests’. The schools that are test optional are mostly schools whose enrollment is starting to flag abd who are in danger of going out of business.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:37     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


What kind of control do they have? Even if a flagged test was the result of cheating, college board does not tell colleges about it and they allow the test taker to retake the test as many times as they want. No one would have ever known this particular young person's name if she or her family had not publicized the story. It could have all been handled, with whatever the outcome turned out to be, and no one else would have ever known anything about it.

If you're saying it is control just because they give the tests and decide what can be done with the scores, well, that is their job. They own the test and need to protect the integrity of the test.

Lots of schools are going test optional and any student can apply to a school that does not require test scores at all. There are alternatives to taking these tests, so again, I don't see these companies controlling all students.

There are two different, competing, companies giving these tests and schools that don't even require test scores. College Board does not control the lives of students. Students have choices they can make.


If this is her senior year, she is totally screwed. Even if the College Board doesn’t alert the school, she is still missing a test score that most colleges require for consideration. There are students on College Confidential who weren’t notified about their invalidated test until almost a year later in the Senior year. That SUCKS’

So what exactly do you suggest the College Board (Or teachers or professors, for that matter) do when they are presented with very strong evidence that something is not right?



Proctor the tests suitably in the first place.


My kids have had the worst proctor for their tests.

One had the kids start the wrong section - it wasn’t until the students said something that it was corrected...10 minutes later.

One didn’t even check IDs.

One had the tables configured too close to each other. (That made me nervous that the test would be invalidated. It was not)

Just a sample of fun times of SAT/ACT testing.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:36     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


And no one “wins” these canceled scores by SAT/ACT. Check College Confidential. It’s a rigged system.


lol....everyone’s a victim, right?


When two companies control a required test for most colleges in the US? YES.

There are many colleges in the US that don’t require tests anymore, and I suspect the list will continue to grow.

If you feel so strongly that the SAT and ACT are damaging to your progeny, there is a very simple solution.


Until the main players go test-optional, it’s just a sham. How many of the top 100 colleges are test optional?


The irony. I can’t.
Anonymous
Post 01/04/2019 11:33     Subject: Think she cheated on her SAT?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So for those of you who are upset by this, do you disagree in general with SAT flagging and reviewing test takers who have a statistically significant 300 point score jump?

Or do you object to this specific test taker getting flagged for her 300 point score jump?


I think most who object are primarily driven by a private, unregulated for-profit organization who can do any damn thing they please having so much control over the lives of young people.


And no one “wins” these canceled scores by SAT/ACT. Check College Confidential. It’s a rigged system.


lol....everyone’s a victim, right?


When two companies control a required test for most colleges in the US? YES.

There are many colleges in the US that don’t require tests anymore, and I suspect the list will continue to grow.

If you feel so strongly that the SAT and ACT are damaging to your progeny, there is a very simple solution.


Until the main players go test-optional, it’s just a sham. How many of the top 100 colleges are test optional?