Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

I'm going to hazard a guess that pp is repeating something that he/she read from friend of friend of Kelsey's second cousin (or whoever) on Facebook.

I wouldn't get so spun up about it. If it's true, it's pretty damning IMO. If it's not true than someone is repeating bad information.

Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

Obviously Frazee’s family

Anonymous wrote:The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

There’s an entire cottage industry of hobbyists who do nothing but solve cold cases and murder mysteries. It’s how the Golden State Killer with more than a dozen murders under his belt was found. So stuff it with the sacrilegious BS.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/true-crime/wp/2018/04/26/she-stalked-the-golden-state-killer-until-she-died-some-think-her-work-led-to-the-suspects-arrest/

The lynch mob mentality from "Chill" is truly chilling! You still have not answered my question as to the source of your information about her (Kelsey Berreth) taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court. CONTEXT CLUES? Who are you, a wannabe Sherlock Holmes? Do you have any idea how dangerous and damaging your false information is? You have set yourself up as judge, jury, and executioner! Why are you so excited to proclaim this man a murderer? A person like you is really frightening!

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Anonymous wrote:HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.

Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody.

Knew it - there was no formal custody agreement. Not only was she taking him to court but she was also asking for custody of the child and presumably - child support. He killed her exactly a month before their scheduled court date.

https://www.9news.com/mobile/video/news/crime/kelsey-berreth-and-patrick-frazee-were-supposed-to-be-in-court-for-a-custody-hearing/73-ba055270-1d79-4091-a093-c4912f74353a

Wrong. This is being misunderstood. This is the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents. Filed after the arrest.

The baby is already with her maternal grandparents so where’s your proof to the contrary? While the hearing is still next week.

Do you have an article saying she is WITH the grandparents? Everything I’ve read still says she’s in protective custody and they plan/hope to place her with maternal grandparents.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwidsvnMxbffAhVGn-AKHV_mDQIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2018%2F12%2F21%2Fus%2Fkelsey-berreth-colorado-missing-mom%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw3yo24OrspN5BOs4ZhzUdLB&ust=1545709194435556

Yes, the day the fiancée was arrested the child was with Kelsey’s parents.

The little girl is now back with Berreth's family, officials confirmed Friday.

https://www.kktv.com/content/news/MISSING-Authorit...-Colorado-woman-501820841.html

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support. [/quote]

Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody. [/quote]

Knew it - there was no formal custody agreement. Not only was she taking him to court but she was also asking for custody of the child and presumably - child support. He killed her exactly a month before their scheduled court date.

https://www.9news.com/mobile/video/news/crime/kelsey-berreth-and-patrick-frazee-were-supposed-to-be-in-court-for-a-custody-hearing/73-ba055270-1d79-4091-a093-c4912f74353a[/quote]

Wrong. This is being misunderstood. This is the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents. Filed after the arrest.[/quote]

The baby is already with her maternal grandparents so where’s your proof to the contrary? While the hearing is still next week. [/quote]

Do you have an article saying she is WITH the grandparents? Everything I’ve read still says she’s in protective custody and they plan/hope to place her with maternal grandparents.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwidsvnMxbffAhVGn-AKHV_mDQIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2018%2F12%2F21%2Fus%2Fkelsey-berreth-colorado-missing-mom%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw3yo24OrspN5BOs4ZhzUdLB&ust=1545709194435556[/quote]

Yes, the day the fiancée was arrested the child was with Kelsey’s parents.

[b]The little girl is now back with Berreth's family, officials confirmed Friday.[/b]

https://www.kktv.com/content/news/MISSING-Authorities-asking-for-help-in-locating-Colorado-woman-501820841.html

From this article, “Frazee and Berreth's daughter is in protective custody and will be reunited with Berreth's family, De Young said.”

I haven’t read that it’s happened yet, and I think they’d need a hearing to release her to someone else.

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Anonymous wrote:HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.

Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody.

Knew it - there was no formal custody agreement. Not only was she taking him to court but she was also asking for custody of the child and presumably - child support. He killed her exactly a month before their scheduled court date.

https://www.9news.com/mobile/video/news/crime/kelsey-berreth-and-patrick-frazee-were-supposed-to-be-in-court-for-a-custody-hearing/73-ba055270-1d79-4091-a093-c4912f74353a

Wrong. This is being misunderstood. This is the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents. Filed after the arrest.

The baby is already with her maternal grandparents so where’s your proof to the contrary? While the hearing is still next week.

Do you have an article saying she is WITH the grandparents? Everything I’ve read still says she’s in protective custody and they plan/hope to place her with maternal grandparents.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwidsvnMxbffAhVGn-AKHV_mDQIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2018%2F12%2F21%2Fus%2Fkelsey-berreth-colorado-missing-mom%2Findex.html&psig=AOvVaw3yo24OrspN5BOs4ZhzUdLB&ust=1545709194435556

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.

Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody.

Knew it - there was no formal custody agreement. Not only was she taking him to court but she was also asking for custody of the child and presumably - child support. He killed her exactly a month before their scheduled court date.

https://www.9news.com/mobile/video/news/crime/kelsey-berreth-and-patrick-frazee-were-supposed-to-be-in-court-for-a-custody-hearing/73-ba055270-1d79-4091-a093-c4912f74353a

Wrong. This is being misunderstood. This is the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents. Filed after the arrest.

The baby is already with her maternal grandparents so where’s your proof to the contrary? While the hearing is still next week.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.

Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody.

Knew it - there was no formal custody agreement. Not only was she taking him to court but she was also asking for custody of the child and presumably - child support. He killed her exactly a month before their scheduled court date.

https://www.9news.com/mobile/video/news/crime/kelsey-berreth-and-patrick-frazee-were-supposed-to-be-in-court-for-a-custody-hearing/73-ba055270-1d79-4091-a093-c4912f74353a

Wrong. This is being misunderstood. This is the temporary custody hearing for CPS to place the baby with her maternal grandparents. Filed after the arrest.

The fiancée is so guilty - not only charged with murder but solicitation of murder.

Under Colorado’s solicitation statute, a suspect would have not only discussed the commission of a crime with a second person but would have taken steps to see it through, according to District Attorney Dan May of Colorado’s 4th Judicial District.

Anonymous wrote:Where did you obtain your information that she (Kelsey Berreth) was taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court for custody? The video link you posted said court records don't indicate who filed or when it was filed. Inaccurate information is HARMFUL SPECULATION that serves no other purpose than to stroke one's ego while slamming another person's character and reputation!

Chill. Context clues - I don’t know why so many people are ready to believe he didn’t kill her. First she disappears on the second most family oriented holiday of the year. Second his 35-acre property was dug up. Third he’s arrested for her murder. Fourth his mother is detained for impeding an investigation. Fifth the video states the hearing was scheduled for Thursday, December 27th and she went missing on Thursday, November 22nd - a month ahead of her court date.

Lastly it’s almost always the women who initiate court proceedings to make sure their kids are supported and well and she was clearly a loving mother.

Where did you obtain your information that she (Kelsey Berreth) was taking him (Patrick Frazee) to court for custody? The video link you posted said court records don't indicate who filed or when it was filed. Inaccurate information is HARMFUL SPECULATION that serves no other purpose than to stroke one's ego while slamming another person's character and reputation!

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Anonymous wrote:HE had custody. So, he wasn't paying her child support.

Where does it say that? All I read is they shared the baby on different days and after she disappeared he had the child. An informal arrangement is very different from custody.

Knew it - there was no formal custody agreement. Not only was she taking him to court but she was also asking for custody of the child and presumably - child support. He killed her exactly a month before their scheduled court date.

https://www.9news.com/mobile/video/news/crime/kelsey-berreth-and-patrick-frazee-were-supposed-to-be-in-court-for-a-custody-hearing/73-ba055270-1d79-4091-a093-c4912f74353a

Anonymous wrote:The grandmother may have been used to watching her granddaughter while her son had "me" time around the ranch and with his buddies.

She could have seen her son acting nonchalent at some point between Kelsey's murder and the disposal of her body.

Grandma might really and truly believe that her son is innocent and her main goal right now is keeping that baby safe among the people in her family that are familiar with her.

The baby is with Kelsey’s family now not his.