Anonymous wrote:John McEnroe was suspended from tennis for 6 months for an outburst similar to Serena's.

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Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

Other women do blow up as well. One player recently attacked the chair umps chair. I'm pointing out the double standard in the way men and women are treated. The double standard is sexist. Lots of other female players act like divas as well. Serena gets noticed because she destroys other players. Until recently no one could challenge her. There is so much resentment because of this. You clearly don't watch much tennis.

i have been following tennis for 30 years so please stop lecturing me.

the coaching rule has been enforced inconsistently among women and men. the same offense made by the same coach/player team will be penalized by the same umpire in one match and no in the other. in fact, it wont be even penalized consistently during the same match. this has nothing to do with discriminating anyone, it's just that coaching is a part of a match and can't be eradicated. sort of like jaywalking... people do it all the time and then someone occasionally gets punished.

now, umpire should not have penalized serena for it yesterday. the context matters and it was timing was unwise. at the same time, this is not the first this happened to her or other players. wrong calls are made all the time, and the players, ideally get over it.

i am not saying that other players don't blow up. men do it much more often than women, and yes, serena does it more often than most of other women. those are facts for us who follow it.

finally, again, comparing serena to men and calling it 'double standard' makes no sense because they don't play the same sport. men need to win 3 sets at grand slams - that's a double standard as well. men must play federer and nadal vs osaka and kerber and that is a double standard as well. the fact of the matter is that women's tennis is nowhere as great a sport as men's tennis is and serena at her best wouldn't be able to get a set from any top 100 player.

You were making sense until that last idiotic paragraph. The rules are the same in mens and womens tennis but enforced differently. That's why it's a double standard. It has nothing to do with how many sets they play and who they compete against.

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Anonymous wrote:You know, sometimes an issue isn’t men vs. women or black vs. white. It’s about a person’s behavior during a tough moment. That’s what this is about. Serena’s behavior during a tough situation. She didn’t handle it well. And, she doesn’t get a pass because she’s a mom, or a black woman or a super athlete.

or because she's on steroids...

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for Osaka. All this drama really distracted from her win. And, from what I saw - she genuinely deserved the win. She played better. The stats prove that as well.

One thing that bothered me about Serena’s reaction was when she was complaining to the chair umpire about not being coached she said something like, “I have a daughter and I have to do right by her.” WHAT? Who the hell cares if you have a daughter now? This is not at all pertinent to the issue. Would a man say this to the chair? Nope.

I agree that Serena is a bully (this was not the first incident.... one that comes to mind is when she threatened a judge by saying she would cram the ball down her throat if she could (with profanity included).

Congrats to Osaka. She was humble and displayed great sportsmanship. And, she played a great game, despite the controversy.

This. Serena Williams is no role model for girls. Never was, and never will be.

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Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

I guess you’ve never watched Hingis or Sharapovna play. Clueless = PP.

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Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

Other women do blow up as well. One player recently attacked the chair umps chair. I'm pointing out the double standard in the way men and women are treated. The double standard is sexist. Lots of other female players act like divas as well. Serena gets noticed because she destroys other players. Until recently no one could challenge her. There is so much resentment because of this. You clearly don't watch much tennis.

i have been following tennis for 30 years so please stop lecturing me.

the coaching rule has been enforced inconsistently among women and men. the same offense made by the same coach/player team will be penalized by the same umpire in one match and no in the other. in fact, it wont be even penalized consistently during the same match. this has nothing to do with discriminating anyone, it's just that coaching is a part of a match and can't be eradicated. sort of like jaywalking... people do it all the time and then someone occasionally gets punished.

now, umpire should not have penalized serena for it yesterday. the context matters and it was timing was unwise. at the same time, this is not the first this happened to her or other players. wrong calls are made all the time, and the players, ideally get over it.

i am not saying that other players don't blow up. men do it much more often than women, and yes, serena does it more often than most of other women. those are facts for us who follow it.

finally, again, comparing serena to men and calling it 'double standard' makes no sense because they don't play the same sport. men need to win 3 sets at grand slams - that's a double standard as well. men must play federer and nadal vs osaka and kerber and that is a double standard as well. the fact of the matter is that women's tennis is nowhere as great a sport as men's tennis is and serena at her best wouldn't be able to get a set from any top 100 player.

Anonymous wrote:Many people never liked Serena and Venus. But they had to learn to deal with the fact that they were beating them (badly) at their own game.

The very first chance they get to discredit or undermine them, they're all over it. They are resentful of these sisters. Always have been.

Problem is, there are more Serenas on the way. They know it.

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Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

Other women do blow up as well. One player recently attacked the chair umps chair. I'm pointing out the double standard in the way men and women are treated. The double standard is sexist. Lots of other female players act like divas as well. Serena gets noticed because she destroys other players. Until recently no one could challenge her. There is so much resentment because of this. You clearly don't watch much tennis.

Anonymous wrote:Ramos enforced the rules. It’s not his job to compare himself or his actions to other umpires who handle rules differently. It’s his job to enforce the rules. Not doing so is like the excuse “everyone else does it, so I should, too”.

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Anonymous wrote:Bully? I disagree. Emotional? Yes. Happens to the best of us.

She threatened the referee with never being allowed to officiate one of her tournaments, not to mention insulting him (during her childish tantrum).

Yes - this was bullying on national display.

NO it was not. I have followed tennis for over 40 years. I never miss a major and watch almost all tournaments. YOU DO NOT KNOW PROFESSIONAL TENNIS.

What we saw today was absolute sexist bullshit.

Coaching happens all the time and no one gets called for it. On the men's side, the coaches are practically on the court with a notebook.

What Serena's coach did was so minimal and meaningless it was ridiculous for her to be called for it.

The chair umpire inserted himself into the match like an egotist. There are so many players who go off on line judges and chair umps and usually, at most, they get a warning. What Serena did was so ridiculously mild. Singles tennis is an intense mental game and screwing with a player like Carlos did is horrible. It just doesn't happen.

Rafa threatened the ump with never officiating again that and got nothing but a warning. Rafa got into it with Carlos Bernardes and threatened his job. All of tennis supported Rafa. David Ferrer, who was loved by all, went off on a female chair ump when she warned him for cursing and he had a nice little tantrum screaming at her that "You are a woman, women can't do anything" and on. I don't think he was even fined. At another tournament Ferrer hit a ball with his racquet in anger and hit a linesman. The umpire did nothing. Leyton Hewitt got pissed when he got called for foot faults when playing against James Blake and accused the chair ump of who was black of calling in favor of Blake who was also black. No fine. No penalty no nothing. I can go on for days about things Hewitt. He called a line judge and idiot and the chair ump a moron and everyone put up with it. Andy Roddick, omg, what he got away with. He loved to tell chair umps in lovely terms that they were intellectually deficient. John Isner also goes nuts pretty often. So many of the players have their moments. I could go on for days about the fits tennis players have thrown and directed at umps and lines people. Agassi was another great one. He screamed at a chair ump to get his fat ass out of the chair and check a mark on the court. No fine. He spit on a chair umpire who let it go until after he saw the tv footage. I was surprised they actually punished Fabio Fognini for calling the female chair ump a whore and a pig. These are just some of the instances I remember. I could google every top 20 player and find matches where they went off and got a warning at most.

What is a basic truth about tennis is that the top male players rarely get called out for their behavior. Only Nick Kyrios gets any punishment and he's a complete ass. Everyone bends over backwards to pat him on the back when he acts decent for 5 minutes. One of the best chair umps of all time, Mohamed Lahyani, got bad press because during one of Kyrios' matches last week he came down from his chair to ENCOURAGE this asshat when he started acting like an asshat.

I've read tennis forums for as long as they have existed on the internet and, across the board until the last 5 years, the comments about Serena have been vile, disgusting, and racist. Anytime any one mentioned a match the comments about her looking like and ape, or a pig, or being fat piled on. Guys I knew who could discuss tennis rationally became cretins when it came to Serena. She isn't a svelte traditionally cute little something who minces her words and she has paid for this. That is sexist. I dont know what changed so that people recognized her greatness, but now I see more people defending her.

I'm not even going to try to explain to you people who know nothing about tennis about the unfair and racist crap she has had to put up with.

I agree with much of what you said, however why are you comparing Serena to men? She doesn't play again them and whatever is tolerated from them does not put her at a disadvantage. The truth is that she often behaves like a diva. And other women don't. I do think that umpire screwed this ip royally but most other women tennis players would react differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Ramos is a thief and worse. I hope his career is done.

Ditto.

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Anonymous wrote:If Chris Evert is calling this a black thing, where is the prejudice against Osaka? Her dad is black American.

At the same time, all the story leads are referring to her as Japanese. And her dad is from Haiti, not the US originally. For whatever reason, the press is identifying her with Japan and not Haiti, even though her heritage is 50% from each country.

At one point, the tv coverage panning over the crowd showed a group of fans holding up Haitian flags. So, Haitians are showing their support for her, even though the press doesn't seem to be covering this aspect of her background.