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harvard and yale both have a lot of conservatives. it is a lie that they are liberal institutions.

There's a big difference between books written by high profile faculty and the political leanings of the graduates. The Supreme Court, Congress, governorships, corporate boards, Wall Street and the ranks of the wealthy are all over populated with Ivy leaguers.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-conservative-and-most-liberal-elite-law-schools/

harvard and yale both have a lot of conservatives. it is a lie that they are liberal institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

You are clueless about Asian Americans (and I guess about Hispanics too).

Most are NOT, I insist most are NOT, recent immigrants.

Yes, they do care about immigration, and would love to see a rational system in place, but they know that Dems didn't move a finger in that direction when they got a chance.

Like most Americans, their priority os about jobs and the economy, probably followed by law and order.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a majority of Asian Americans voted GOP in 2018 and 2020.

haha... pp here.. I'm an Asian American immigrant. Most of my Asian American friends are immigrants; they were not born here. They came here when they were very young, and yes, most came through chain migration. I used to be a R, too, but most of my Asian American friends are Dems now. I'm in Independent leaning D after Trump.

Asian immigrants really started to come here en masse in the 80s and 90s when racist laws were changed to allow in more non white immigrants. Very few in the 70's (when I came). IMO, that's "recent" enough in that the majority who vote came here in that time period. The very recent ones cannot vote since it takes years to become citizens. I'm from CA, home of the largest Asian American immigrant community.

You are the clueless one about Asian Americans, and probably Hispanics (lots of them in CA, too). Look at how they have voted in the past 30 years. They started out voting for Rs, but now most of them vote D. You might want to think about why that is.

Your post was too funny, and ignorant.

Sorry, but you should educate yourself a bit before assuming your fresh-off-the-boat experience applies to everyone.

There have been strong Filipino, Chinese and Japanese communities for 200 years, mostly in CA. And strong Hispanic communities in many states for over 300 years -- in fact, the vast majority of Hispanics is native born. Look it up, and don't make a fool of yourself.

200 years! They arrived in California before General Sutter.

Yup.

And Hispanics were already there.

Whoever is saying Asians/ Hispanics are all a result of recent chain migration is a bigot or racist, or both.

NP - These long-standing populations were VERY small.
Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Total Numbers) Between 1930 and 2010[15][16][17][c]
Race/Ethnic Group 1930 1940 1950 1960 1970 1980 1990 2000 2010
Total Population 122,775,046 131,669,275 150,697,361 179,323,175 203,210,158 226,545,805 248,709,873 281,421,906 308,745,538
White 110,286,740 118,214,870 134,942,028 158,831,732 178,119,221 188,371,622 199,686,070 211,460,626 223,553,265
Black 11,891,143 12,865,518 15,042,286 18,871,831 22,539,362 26,495,025 29,986,060 34,658,190 38,929,319
American Indian, Eskimo, and Aleut 332,397 333,969 343,410 551,669 795,110 1,420,400 1,959,234 2,475,956 2,932,248
Asian and Pacific Islander 264,766 254,918 321,033 980,337 1,526,401 3,500,439 7,273,662 10,641,833 15,214,265
Some other race 48,604 87,606 230,064 6,758,319 9,804,847 15,359,073 19,107,368
Two or more races 6,826,228 9,009,073
Hispanic (of any race) 2,021,820[14] 3,231,409[14] 5,814,784[14] 8,920,940[14] 14,608,673 22,354,059 35,305,818 50,477,594
Non-Hispanic White 116,261,189[14] 131,805,405[14] 153,217,498[14] 169,622,593[14] 180,256,366 188,128,296 194,552,774 196,817,552

There were only 1.5 million Asians in the United States in 1970. In the 20 years between 1970 and 1990, the number of Hispanics went from 8.9 million to 22.3 million. So, the majority now may be native born, but this is a very recent, very significant shift in the demographics of this country. Noting this does not make someone racist.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

You are clueless about Asian Americans (and I guess about Hispanics too).

Most are NOT, I insist most are NOT, recent immigrants.

Yes, they do care about immigration, and would love to see a rational system in place, but they know that Dems didn't move a finger in that direction when they got a chance.

Like most Americans, their priority os about jobs and the economy, probably followed by law and order.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a majority of Asian Americans voted GOP in 2018 and 2020.

haha... pp here.. I'm an Asian American immigrant. Most of my Asian American friends are immigrants; they were not born here. They came here when they were very young, and yes, most came through chain migration. I used to be a R, too, but most of my Asian American friends are Dems now. I'm in Independent leaning D after Trump.

Asian immigrants really started to come here en masse in the 80s and 90s when racist laws were changed to allow in more non white immigrants. Very few in the 70's (when I came). IMO, that's "recent" enough in that the majority who vote came here in that time period. The very recent ones cannot vote since it takes years to become citizens. I'm from CA, home of the largest Asian American immigrant community.

You are the clueless one about Asian Americans, and probably Hispanics (lots of them in CA, too). Look at how they have voted in the past 30 years. They started out voting for Rs, but now most of them vote D. You might want to think about why that is.

Your post was too funny, and ignorant.

Sorry, but you should educate yourself a bit before assuming your fresh-off-the-boat experience applies to everyone.

There have been strong Filipino, Chinese and Japanese communities for 200 years, mostly in CA. And strong Hispanic communities in many states for over 300 years -- in fact, the vast majority of Hispanics is native born. Look it up, and don't make a fool of yourself.

200 years! They arrived in California before General Sutter.

Yup.

And Hispanics were already there.

Whoever is saying Asians/ Hispanics are all a result of recent chain migration is a bigot or racist, or both.

omg people, the number of Asians in the US prior to 1900 was miniscule compared to the number of Hispanics and Blacks in the US. Look at the Asian immigration trend. It wasn't until the 1960s when the racist immigration laws were over turned that Asian started to immigrate to the US en masse.




https://www.nytimes.com/1990/03/02/us/asian-population-in-us-grew-by-70-in-the-80-s.html

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexnowrasteh/2012/07/09/the-rise-of-asian-immigration/#5e1386b4742c

74 percent of all U.S. Asian adults are immigrants because they are a relatively new immigrant group. Chinese and Japanese immigration waves began in the 19th century but the shameful Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, the Gentlemen’s Agreement with Japan in 1907, and the Asiatic Barred Zone Act of 1917 kept their numbers low. Only in recent decades have the numbers recovered.

And I am Asian American, lived in CA all my life and saw the rapid immigration of Asians starting from the 80's. And yes, many came via chain migration, including my family and my cousin's family. You people are clueless about Asian American immigration history in this country.

harvard seems extremely right wing. look at the amount of harvard grads in the trump administration or connected to republican politics.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

Trump and his administration support the lawsuit against Harvard - he does not support anti-Asian American systematic racial discrimination. In fact, he supports justice, equality, freedom, and prosperity for all Americans.

Unemployment has been the lowest in memory, including for African-Americans. The stock market's been up at least 30% since his inauguration.

oh please oh please, I am not happy about the discrimination of Asian Americans, but I also know that Trump is no friend to a group of people who are largely recent immigrants, made up of chain migration. Why do you suppose support of Trump by Asian Americans is low if Asian Americans thought Trump was "on their side"? This group used to vote R. No longer.

You are clueless about Asian Americans (and I guess about Hispanics too).

Most are NOT, I insist most are NOT, recent immigrants.

Yes, they do care about immigration, and would love to see a rational system in place, but they know that Dems didn't move a finger in that direction when they got a chance.

Like most Americans, their priority os about jobs and the economy, probably followed by law and order.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if a majority of Asian Americans voted GOP in 2018 and 2020.

haha... pp here.. I'm an Asian American immigrant. Most of my Asian American friends are immigrants; they were not born here. They came here when they were very young, and yes, most came through chain migration. I used to be a R, too, but most of my Asian American friends are Dems now. I'm in Independent leaning D after Trump.

Asian immigrants really started to come here en masse in the 80s and 90s when racist laws were changed to allow in more non white immigrants. Very few in the 70's (when I came). IMO, that's "recent" enough in that the majority who vote came here in that time period. The very recent ones cannot vote since it takes years to become citizens. I'm from CA, home of the largest Asian American immigrant community.

You are the clueless one about Asian Americans, and probably Hispanics (lots of them in CA, too). Look at how they have voted in the past 30 years. They started out voting for Rs, but now most of them vote D. You might want to think about why that is.

Your post was too funny, and ignorant.

Sorry, but you should educate yourself a bit before assuming your fresh-off-the-boat experience applies to everyone.

There have been strong Filipino, Chinese and Japanese communities for 200 years, mostly in CA. And strong Hispanic communities in many states for over 300 years -- in fact, the vast majority of Hispanics is native born. Look it up, and don't make a fool of yourself.

200 years! They arrived in California before General Sutter.

Yup.

And Hispanics were already there.

Whoever is saying Asians/ Hispanics are all a result of recent chain migration is a bigot or racist, or both.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here the reason I ask is that the right seems to be fixated on admissions to schools like HYP and affirmative action. Why do they even want to be there? Why not just have right wing school with stellar academics, envy of everyone, plus no affirmative action? My theory is that they are simply incapable of duplicating the same caliber of school. They are loud, but not very patient or hard working.

As it's already been pointed out, academics with no real-life experience tend to gravitate to political liberals. It has more to do with the type of people who gravitate to the life of the university - and nothing to do with the silly idea that political conservatives have no financial means of supporting a university.

Do you have experience at elite universities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Also, PP wasn't saying conservatives don't have the financial means to support a university; the issue is that right-wing politics (contemporarily conceived -- not right wing in the traditional sense, such as fiscal conservatism) are essentially incompatible with the culture of intellectual inquiry elite universities try to cultivate.

+1 Many Trumpsters say they want to go back to the way American used to be. Conservatives do not like change (progress) of any sort. They don't like the fact that automation has killed jobs (never mind that it has created more high paying jobs); they don't like that women want more equality, or (gasp) gays. They don't like that science has taken over religiosity (think Isaac Newton, but on a smaller scale); they want our teens to stay ignorant about their bodies and sex so don't want sex ed taught in schools.

Not all conservatives are like this. There are sane ones, but the current R party seems to have been overtaken by these extreme conservatives they hate any kind of progress or enlightened thinking.

Trump supports the current lawsuit against Harvard.

Do YOU support anti-Asian American systemic racial discrimination?

No, but I do support a schools right to distinguish certain personalities that would not be a good fit. Be it a medical school, or Sidwell Friends' admission to Kindergarten.

Sounds very familiar.

It's exactly what colleges used to kick Jews out in the 20th century.

Biased and racist.

Just be careful that the same exact "logic" can one day be used against you and yours, for no particular reason other than the dominant fad of the day.