jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

Anonymous wrote:“While all medications have side effects, racism is not a known side effect of any Sanofi medication.”
- Statement by the manufacture of Ambien

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Anonymous wrote:You have to wonder what prompted her vitriolic Twitter spree this morning. It seems self destructive. Yes, on one hand better that we all see her for what she is, but she seemed professionally on the upswing and so foolish for her to lash out in such an ugly way.

I was thinking the same thing. I am a middle-age Black woman. I loved the first iteration of the Roseanne show. There were two episodes in particular that really resonate with me 20 years later... 1) when DJ participated in teasing a Black girl in gym class; Roseanne let him have it, and 2) during the Rodney King riots in LA she and Tom Arnold's character were also looting AND she showed two Black characters from A Different World who weren't looting. I thought that those were very deliberate and thoughtful episodes and I really appreciated those storylines.

Fast forward... I just have a hard time believing that Roseanne was a closet, gross racist all those years. I didn't watch the "new" Roseanne because of everything that she's done and said since the first one went off the air. This whole thing makes me so sad. Valerie Jarrett, by all accounts, is a lovely, accomplished woman who doesn't deserve to be the focal point of her racist rhetoric; no one does. I mean... she literally DID NOT care about all of the people who earn a living working on her show. I'm sad because people like Roseanne just cannot process that the collateral damage does more harm to their ilk than their targets. Valerie Jarrett will be just fine. She will continue to earn a living. The people working on the Roseanne show that may have been out of work for a while or had an opportunity to resurrect a dormant acting career... she set those people back and affected their livelihoods.

Her racist views don't bother me as much as her disregard for how those views impact people that depended on her for a living.

I'm hopeful that this will be a shift that causes people to really rethink how they use their platform.

But this is often the thing about us not-racist white people. It just takes the right stimulus to unleash some of the worst of human behavior (whether we are talking about racism or anything else). Right now this country is experiencing a frenzy of backlash to the Obama presidency, BLM, etc. White people who feel like the Roseanne you described are becoming angrier and angrier about being lumped in with racists, about the entire nation being portrayed as racist, etc. And their anger is leading them to lash out in hateful ways.

Roseanne was never the most mentally stable (no excuse) and give her a couple of pills, a Trump presidency, a soapbox and a bad attitude and this is what you get.

If anything the Trumpkins are now even MORE pissed off because Roseanne made one *joke* that in their opinion wasn't even that bad and she gets fired, but the ladies from the View get to talk smack about Trump and no one fires them.

People who considered themselves "not racist" and now support Trump and/or Roseanne just see themselves as being unfairly blamed and victimized and they can't be logical about it.

It's like how all Black people are lazy and want handouts because of the select few that they show on the news during some kind of tragedy. All whites are labeled as racist. All Black people are labeled as lazy, deadbeats. All muslims are terrorists. On and on. Sorry non-racist white people, but you don't win the gold for shouldering an unfair burden. It happens to the best of us.

jsteele wrote:10:09 and 10:11 illustrate what I was saying in my earlier post. Many Trump supporters don’t distinguish between racism and insults based on political differences. They see no difference between an insult based on race which has centuries of dehumanization behind it and an insult based on political differences. They just consider them equal.

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I did not mean to imply that her being a vile racist is OK. I just meant that people like Roseanne are so blinded by their beliefs and hatred that they really aren't thinking straight; like a mental block of some sort. EVERYONE has some kind of prejudice but most people are smart enough to know that publicly revealing those have consequences. I mean... how deep is her level of hate and venom that she just don't care about the people that are close to her and the people who relied on her for employment. She had NO regard for the consequences. You can't change people and you can't make them believe something that they don't believe. However, what ABC did to her should be a BIG deterrent for people like Roseanne; hateful people who have the power to employ hundreds.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to wonder what prompted her vitriolic Twitter spree this morning. It seems self destructive. Yes, on one hand better that we all see her for what she is, but she seemed professionally on the upswing and so foolish for her to lash out in such an ugly way.

I was thinking the same thing. I am a middle-age Black woman. I loved the first iteration of the Roseanne show. There were two episodes in particular that really resonate with me 20 years later... 1) when DJ participated in teasing a Black girl in gym class; Roseanne let him have it, and 2) during the Rodney King riots in LA she and Tom Arnold's character were also looting AND she showed two Black characters from A Different World who weren't looting. I thought that those were very deliberate and thoughtful episodes and I really appreciated those storylines.

Fast forward... I just have a hard time believing that Roseanne was a closet, gross racist all those years. I didn't watch the "new" Roseanne because of everything that she's done and said since the first one went off the air. This whole thing makes me so sad. Valerie Jarrett, by all accounts, is a lovely, accomplished woman who doesn't deserve to be the focal point of her racist rhetoric; no one does. I mean... she literally DID NOT care about all of the people who earn a living working on her show. I'm sad because people like Roseanne just cannot process that the collateral damage does more harm to their ilk than their targets. Valerie Jarrett will be just fine. She will continue to earn a living. The people working on the Roseanne show that may have been out of work for a while or had an opportunity to resurrect a dormant acting career... she set those people back and affected their livelihoods.

Her racist views don't bother me as much as her disregard for how those views impact people that depended on her for a living.

I'm hopeful that this will be a shift that causes people to really rethink how they use their platform.

But this is often the thing about us not-racist white people. It just takes the right stimulus to unleash some of the worst of human behavior (whether we are talking about racism or anything else). Right now this country is experiencing a frenzy of backlash to the Obama presidency, BLM, etc. White people who feel like the Roseanne you described are becoming angrier and angrier about being lumped in with racists, about the entire nation being portrayed as racist, etc. And their anger is leading them to lash out in hateful ways.

Roseanne was never the most mentally stable (no excuse) and give her a couple of pills, a Trump presidency, a soapbox and a bad attitude and this is what you get.

If anything the Trumpkins are now even MORE pissed off because Roseanne made one *joke* that in their opinion wasn't even that bad and she gets fired, but the ladies from the View get to talk smack about Trump and no one fires them.

People who considered themselves "not racist" and now support Trump and/or Roseanne just see themselves as being unfairly blamed and victimized and they can't be logical about it.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to wonder what prompted her vitriolic Twitter spree this morning. It seems self destructive. Yes, on one hand better that we all see her for what she is, but she seemed professionally on the upswing and so foolish for her to lash out in such an ugly way.

I was thinking the same thing. I am a middle-age Black woman. I loved the first iteration of the Roseanne show. There were two episodes in particular that really resonate with me 20 years later... 1) when DJ participated in teasing a Black girl in gym class; Roseanne let him have it, and 2) during the Rodney King riots in LA she and Tom Arnold's character were also looting AND she showed two Black characters from A Different World who weren't looting. I thought that those were very deliberate and thoughtful episodes and I really appreciated those storylines.

Fast forward... I just have a hard time believing that Roseanne was a closet, gross racist all those years. I didn't watch the "new" Roseanne because of everything that she's done and said since the first one went off the air. This whole thing makes me so sad. Valerie Jarrett, by all accounts, is a lovely, accomplished woman who doesn't deserve to be the focal point of her racist rhetoric; no one does. I mean... she literally DID NOT care about all of the people who earn a living working on her show. I'm sad because people like Roseanne just cannot process that the collateral damage does more harm to their ilk than their targets. Valerie Jarrett will be just fine. She will continue to earn a living. The people working on the Roseanne show that may have been out of work for a while or had an opportunity to resurrect a dormant acting career... she set those people back and affected their livelihoods.

Her racist views don't bother me as much as her disregard for how those views impact people that depended on her for a living.

I'm hopeful that this will be a shift that causes people to really rethink how they use their platform.

But this is often the thing about us not-racist white people. It just takes the right stimulus to unleash some of the worst of human behavior (whether we are talking about racism or anything else). Right now this country is experiencing a frenzy of backlash to the Obama presidency, BLM, etc. White people who feel like the Roseanne you described are becoming angrier and angrier about being lumped in with racists, about the entire nation being portrayed as racist, etc. And their anger is leading them to lash out in hateful ways.

Roseanne was never the most mentally stable (no excuse) and give her a couple of pills, a Trump presidency, a soapbox and a bad attitude and this is what you get.

If anything the Trumpkins are now even MORE pissed off because Roseanne made one *joke* that in their opinion wasn't even that bad and she gets fired, but the ladies from the View get to talk smack about Trump and no one fires them.

People who considered themselves "not racist" and now support Trump and/or Roseanne just see themselves as being unfairly blamed and victimized and they can't be logical about it.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to wonder what prompted her vitriolic Twitter spree this morning. It seems self destructive. Yes, on one hand better that we all see her for what she is, but she seemed professionally on the upswing and so foolish for her to lash out in such an ugly way.

I was thinking the same thing. I am a middle-age Black woman. I loved the first iteration of the Roseanne show. There were two episodes in particular that really resonate with me 20 years later... 1) when DJ participated in teasing a Black girl in gym class; Roseanne let him have it, and 2) during the Rodney King riots in LA she and Tom Arnold's character were also looting AND she showed two Black characters from A Different World who weren't looting. I thought that those were very deliberate and thoughtful episodes and I really appreciated those storylines.

Fast forward... I just have a hard time believing that Roseanne was a closet, gross racist all those years. I didn't watch the "new" Roseanne because of everything that she's done and said since the first one went off the air. This whole thing makes me so sad. Valerie Jarrett, by all accounts, is a lovely, accomplished woman who doesn't deserve to be the focal point of her racist rhetoric; no one does. I mean... she literally DID NOT care about all of the people who earn a living working on her show. I'm sad because people like Roseanne just cannot process that the collateral damage does more harm to their ilk than their targets. Valerie Jarrett will be just fine. She will continue to earn a living. The people working on the Roseanne show that may have been out of work for a while or had an opportunity to resurrect a dormant acting career... she set those people back and affected their livelihoods.

Her racist views don't bother me as much as her disregard for how those views impact people that depended on her for a living.

I'm hopeful that this will be a shift that causes people to really rethink how they use their platform.

Anonymous wrote:Roseann was a loose cannon. It was only a matter of time. ABC screwed up big time when they did not include in her contract that all social media postings were subject to some sort of review.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to wonder what prompted her vitriolic Twitter spree this morning. It seems self destructive. Yes, on one hand better that we all see her for what she is, but she seemed professionally on the upswing and so foolish for her to lash out in such an ugly way.

I was thinking the same thing. I am a middle-age Black woman. I loved the first iteration of the Roseanne show. There were two episodes in particular that really resonate with me 20 years later... 1) when DJ participated in teasing a Black girl in gym class; Roseanne let him have it, and 2) during the Rodney King riots in LA she and Tom Arnold's character were also looting AND she showed two Black characters from A Different World who weren't looting. I thought that those were very deliberate and thoughtful episodes and I really appreciated those storylines.

Fast forward... I just have a hard time believing that Roseanne was a closet, gross racist all those years. I didn't watch the "new" Roseanne because of everything that she's done and said since the first one went off the air. This whole thing makes me so sad. Valerie Jarrett, by all accounts, is a lovely, accomplished woman who doesn't deserve to be the focal point of her racist rhetoric; no one does. I mean... she literally DID NOT care about all of the people who earn a living working on her show. I'm sad because people like Roseanne just cannot process that the collateral damage does more harm to their ilk than their targets. Valerie Jarrett will be just fine. She will continue to earn a living. The people working on the Roseanne show that may have been out of work for a while or had an opportunity to resurrect a dormant acting career... she set those people back and affected their livelihoods.

Her racist views don't bother me as much as her disregard for how those views impact people that depended on her for a living.

I'm hopeful that this will be a shift that causes people to really rethink how they use their platform.

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Anonymous wrote:You have to wonder what prompted her vitriolic Twitter spree this morning. It seems self destructive. Yes, on one hand better that we all see her for what she is, but she seemed professionally on the upswing and so foolish for her to lash out in such an ugly way.

I was thinking the same thing. I am a middle-age Black woman. I loved the first iteration of the Roseanne show. There were two episodes in particular that really resonate with me 20 years later... 1) when DJ participated in teasing a Black girl in gym class; Roseanne let him have it, and 2) during the Rodney King riots in LA she and Tom Arnold's character were also looting AND she showed two Black characters from A Different World who weren't looting. I thought that those were very deliberate and thoughtful episodes and I really appreciated those storylines.

Fast forward... I just have a hard time believing that Roseanne was a closet, gross racist all those years. I didn't watch the "new" Roseanne because of everything that she's done and said since the first one went off the air. This whole thing makes me so sad. Valerie Jarrett, by all accounts, is a lovely, accomplished woman who doesn't deserve to be the focal point of her racist rhetoric; no one does. I mean... she literally DID NOT care about all of the people who earn a living working on her show. I'm sad because people like Roseanne just cannot process that the collateral damage does more harm to their ilk than their targets. Valerie Jarrett will be just fine. She will continue to earn a living. The people working on the Roseanne show that may have been out of work for a while or had an opportunity to resurrect a dormant acting career... she set those people back and affected their livelihoods.

Her racist views don't bother me as much as her disregard for how those views impact people that depended on her for a living.

I'm hopeful that this will be a shift that causes people to really rethink how they use their platform.

Yes, vile racists who have a large public following should be more careful because it might have financial implications for those who choose to work with a vile racist. Thanks.