Academic achievement gap = Parenting gap

Don’t have time to parent? Don’t have kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I think differentiation is the key. The floor needs to be higher. But then there should be no bar on acceleration.

Achievement gap is not the issue. The real issue is that the lower performing students need to be brought up to a minimum functional level.and all kids need to be educated to their full capacity.

Immigrants without legal standing need to pay a fee for getting their kids educated.

Hear hear!

The bolded is unconstitutional. This is settled law, folks.

DP.. some parents in foreign countries pay tuition to send their kids to public schools here. Are you saying even those kids could not pay tuition and just go to school here for free? d Why bother with tuition then?

Schools wouldn't deny them an education, but they would have to pay tuition to go, just like those other kids from foreign countries. I don't see it as any different. If you are not a legal resident of the US, you should pay tuition to send your kids to the public schools here.

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Anonymous wrote:I think differentiation is the key. The floor needs to be higher. But then there should be no bar on acceleration.

Achievement gap is not the issue. The real issue is that the lower performing students need to be brought up to a minimum functional level.and all kids need to be educated to their full capacity.

Immigrants without legal standing need to pay a fee for getting their kids educated.

Hear hear!

The bolded is unconstitutional. This is settled law, folks.

Anonymous wrote:I think differentiation is the key. The floor needs to be higher. But then there should be no bar on acceleration.

Achievement gap is not the issue. The real issue is that the lower performing students need to be brought up to a minimum functional level.and all kids need to be educated to their full capacity.

Immigrants without legal standing need to pay a fee for getting their kids educated.

Hear hear!

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Can you name all the unsafe neighborhoods in Montgomery County where you can't ride a bike or play in playgrounds once they are 8yr old? This isn't SE DC.
County or city pools are $5 to enter and they have very discounted memberships for kids on FARM
Most new neighborhoods have HOA that pay for the pool already. If you are in HUD, you have full use without pay
Many areas have playground camps which cost $200 for most of the summer and even cheaper if you are FARMS
Many parents rotate shifts so there is a parent home in the summer
Many kids stay home without parents as it is legal in MD after 8yrs old.

So sick of the excuses. Find a way.

What I'm sick of is people who are evidently unable to imagine that other people's life circumstances may be different from their own. But that's off topic for this forum, plus I'm a bit crabby today.

I am from a poor immigrant family. My parents didn't even speak English. I went to summer school at a low income school, and there was less services for low income students back then compared to now (especially where I went to school, not in MoCo). I walked. There is no excuse for kids older than 8.

I could understand if MoCo was like a war zone, but most of MoCo is pretty safe.

We already have free tutoring. It's called Saturday school, and many of the kids who most need it don't even go to that. MCPS can provide all kinds of services to help the lower achieving kids, but if the parents don't want to put their kids in the program, not much MCPS can do about it.

There should be a tax on having kids, not a tax break.

If you are a rich person you can have more than 2 children. Middle class should be allowed to have two kids and finally anyone who is on assistance should not be allowed to have more than one child. Being a parent is a responsibility.

Anonymous wrote:Differentiation and tracking

Textbooks

Reinstate final exams.

Fines for being absent.

Mandatory attendance to summer schools and tutoring if below grade level, else you pay a fine.

Illegal immigrants (parents) must pay a subsidised fees.

Less technology spending.

More instructional days, shorter summer vacation. More breaks between quarters for students to catch up if they are lagging behind.

Hold students back if they are failing.

Early intervention for these children. Start the Headstart program sooner.

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No it isn’t. Sending them outside all day doesn’t involve screens. My kids go out and bike all day with friends. They go watch soccer games, go to playgrounds. Hike in the woods behind the houses. Sometimes play capture the flag in the cul de sac. There are no need for screens or any structure when you have friends. That is the part parents seem to forget. The hours of endless fun you had with friends. Learning to be yourself instead of a robot on a parent schedule. My son is 9 this year and is old enough to bike to the pool on his own with friends. 8 is the youngest for our pool, but most parents won’t let them go that young. This year he has 3 other friends allowed. So excited for him!

What do your kids do when it is raining, or snowing or 100F? Seriously, I'd say that only one day out of five in this area is suitable for outdoor play.

Anonymous wrote:Honestly. Some parents just absolutely suck at parenting. They just don't care and school is optional to them. They don't encourage their kids and treat them as burdens. The only way to close the achievement gap is to get the girls to close their legs. I am an L&D RN and I had a 21yr old last week on her 5th pregnancy. 2 died in utero. Third child she had. Do you think any of them have a shot at a good life? Do you think she does? She was watching reality tv shows, fighting she couldn't have food, and had no emotion except disgust of pain during the whole thing. It is nauseating. I have teacher friends who are floored at what their kids tell them. Mommy slept all night with her boyfriend, Daddy doesn't come visit anymore, the police came to my house. There is no closing the achievement gap on these kids, sad as it is. Teach them the level they are on and hold them back until they can advance to the next grade. Get better social services outside of school and ones that work with school.

But no, the gap will never be closed.

This would be an ideal approach for ALL kids.

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No it isn’t. Sending them outside all day doesn’t involve screens. My kids go out and bike all day with friends. They go watch soccer games, go to playgrounds. Hike in the woods behind the houses. Sometimes play capture the flag in the cul de sac. There are no need for screens or any structure when you have friends. That is the part parents seem to forget. The hours of endless fun you had with friends. Learning to be yourself instead of a robot on a parent schedule. My son is 9 this year and is old enough to bike to the pool on his own with friends. 8 is the youngest for our pool, but most parents won’t let them go that young. This year he has 3 other friends allowed. So excited for him!

So, all you need to solve the achievement gap is enough money for one parent not to work all summer, a pool membership, and a safe neighborhood with sidewalks within biking distance of a swimming pool.

EASY. If only all those poor people had thought of this simple solution.

Can you name all the unsafe neighborhoods in Montgomery County where you can't ride a bike or play in playgrounds once they are 8yr old? This isn't SE DC.
County or city pools are $5 to enter and they have very discounted memberships for kids on FARM
Most new neighborhoods have HOA that pay for the pool already. If you are in HUD, you have full use without pay
Many areas have playground camps which cost $200 for most of the summer and even cheaper if you are FARMS
Many parents rotate shifts so there is a parent home in the summer
Many kids stay home without parents as it is legal in MD after 8yrs old.

So sick of the excuses. Find a way.

I almost hate people like you. You have no idea of any existence other than your own and have no idea why people do not have the options or make the choices that you make. I almost hate you but in the end I feel sorry for you.

It's okay. The feeling is mutual with people that whine and make excuses. I was a single mom in an apartment with my oldest for 5 years. There are always options. You chose to complain or give up instead. I feel sorry for your kids.

STFU - I happen to be UMC but I understand that there are people whose life circumstances differ greatly than my own. I know there are kids who abused, neglected, mistreated. I know there are parents who work at 2 jobs making minimum wage who want the best for their kids but keep falling behind the harder they try. I know that my parents taught me how to make good choices, and how to make that a practice. I know there are assholes who think they do so great, just because and fail to realize the life skills they were taught and saw put into practice. There are assholes whose lives was filled with models of success but fail to realize not everyone sees someone who looks like them or who loves them who is a model of success. But that is ok, assholes aside, Jesus died for them too.

Differentiation and tracking

Textbooks

Reinstate final exams.

Fines for being absent.

Mandatory attendance to summer schools and tutoring if below grade level, else you pay a fine.

Illegal immigrants (parents) must pay a subsidised fees.

Less technology spending.

More instructional days, shorter summer vacation. More breaks between quarters for students to catch up if they are lagging behind.

Hold students back if they are failing.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor perfoing students must attend Saturday school. If they don't fine them.

In this country education, food and transportation is free. This is a privilege paid by taxes of others
If you are pissing it away be chronic absentism then there should be economic consequences.

And then spend more tax dollars trying to get these fines from poor people?

You can't even get these kids to come to school during the weekdays. How do you think Saturday will work?

It is punitive. The goal is not to make money of poor people but to make them understand that they need to have their kids attend school. If they are still unable to do so, then there is a need for intervention and CPS can step in because there is a dysfunction there
I'm
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Anonymous wrote:Poor perfoing students must attend Saturday school. If they don't fine them.

In this country education, food and transportation is free. This is a privilege paid by taxes of others
If you are pissing it away be chronic absentism then there should be economic consequences.

And then spend more tax dollars trying to get these fines from poor people?

You can't even get these kids to come to school during the weekdays. How do you think Saturday will work?

Honestly. Some parents just absolutely suck at parenting. They just don't care and school is optional to them. They don't encourage their kids and treat them as burdens. The only way to close the achievement gap is to get the girls to close their legs. I am an L&D RN and I had a 21yr old last week on her 5th pregnancy. 2 died in utero. Third child she had. Do you think any of them have a shot at a good life? Do you think she does? She was watching reality tv shows, fighting she couldn't have food, and had no emotion except disgust of pain during the whole thing. It is nauseating. I have teacher friends who are floored at what their kids tell them. Mommy slept all night with her boyfriend, Daddy doesn't come visit anymore, the police came to my house. There is no closing the achievement gap on these kids, sad as it is. Teach them the level they are on and hold them back until they can advance to the next grade. Get better social services outside of school and ones that work with school.

But no, the gap will never be closed.