Anonymous
05/23/2018 17:03
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
20:12 - something is very wrong with your scores. You inflated Blair, deflated Churchill, and slightly inflated Wheaton.
Here are the SAT scores available at Niche.com
Churchill 1330
Blair 1270
Einstein and Wheaton 1150
The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.
When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.
For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 10.
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shareda...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Except the data doesn't show that kids do the same. As a PP pointed out AA students do better at Churchill than Blair. I also still didn't see the numbers that the PP is posting and can't figure out how she got them. Did she only include Asian students in the magnet program for Blair and then remove the Asian students from Churchill? Weird.
Regardless, the PP's maneuvering doesn't particularly help the DCC schools. Every other source available will report the actual average which has schools like Churchill and Wootton up in the 1300s and Blair in the 1200s with Wheaton/Einstein in the mid 1100s. No parent is going to rifle through internal MCPS data to cherry pick certain scores and come to the conclusion that somehow Blair is better. Every ranking from US News to Niche to Great Schools has the DCC schools in the middle to bottom. It just is what it is.
Asian and white students do better at Blair than any W schools. Blair has more academic achievements than all the W schools combined, and it's not even close. Blair is nationally known while the W's are not (well except on paper).
It just is what it is.
Lol nobody talks about Blair but Blair parents and magnet rejects faces with a marginal home school. Nobody buys to be in the Blair zone who can afford better.
Anonymous
05/23/2018 14:22
Subject: DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Blair
Einstein
Northwood/Wheaton
Kennedy
I would buy in the neighborhood you like (other than Kennedy).
Einstein
Northwood/Wheaton
Kennedy
I would buy in the neighborhood you like (other than Kennedy).
Anonymous
05/23/2018 13:04
Subject: DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
1. Blair
2. Wheaton/Einstein
4.Northwood
5. Kennedy
2. Wheaton/Einstein
4.Northwood
5. Kennedy
Anonymous
05/23/2018 12:53
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
If you have young kids, I would buy in one of the Wheaton or Einstein neighborhoods that have a good chance of being re-zoned into Woodward when it opens. This could give you a very nice bump in equity to put toward college.
Anonymous
05/23/2018 12:40
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:So how would you rank the DCC high schools for a student that does well in schools and doesn't have strong interest in any of the academies? It sounds like:
1. Blair
2. Einstein
3. Northwood
4. Wheaton
5. Kennedy
No, I'd put Einstein first. Blair's "shine" is all about the magnets and special programs. A normal kid just sits in the shadow and the general program are not very good. Plus Blair is very PR focused to keep the magnet program shining and "sweeps" other problems under the rug to keep up appearances. Einstein is more solid.
Einstein
Northwood
Wheaton
Blair/Kennedy
What are you basing that on?
Anonymous
05/23/2018 12:38
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
So how would you rank the DCC high schools for a student that does well in schools and doesn't have strong interest in any of the academies? It sounds like:
1. Blair
2. Einstein
3. Northwood
4. Wheaton
5. Kennedy
No, I'd put Einstein first. Blair's "shine" is all about the magnets and special programs. A normal kid just sits in the shadow and the general program are not very good. Plus Blair is very PR focused to keep the magnet program shining and "sweeps" other problems under the rug to keep up appearances. Einstein is more solid.
Einstein
Northwood
Wheaton
Blair/Kennedy
Anonymous
05/23/2018 12:15
Subject: DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:So how would you rank the DCC high schools for a student that does well in schools and doesn't have strong interest in any of the academies? It sounds like:
1. Blair
2. Einstein
3. Northwood
4. Wheaton
5. Kennedy
With maybe switching Northwood and Wheaton? Or Einstein and Northwood?
Yeah, about right. Wheaton is definitely on the rise. But they're similar enough you can base the decision on feel at the open house. Seek out teachers to talk with, that's what gave me the best feel for the schools.
Anonymous
05/23/2018 12:11
Subject: DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
They have the same teachers and curriculum. It's been shown time and again the same kid would do the same at any of these schools. The differences are largely socio-economic. Sure, this effects averages, but they're also large enough that every imaginable cohort exists at each of them. Just pick the school closest to your house.
Anonymous
05/23/2018 11:47
Subject: DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
So how would you rank the DCC high schools for a student that does well in schools and doesn't have strong interest in any of the academies? It sounds like:
1. Blair
2. Einstein
3. Northwood
4. Wheaton
5. Kennedy
With maybe switching Northwood and Wheaton? Or Einstein and Northwood?
1. Blair
2. Einstein
3. Northwood
4. Wheaton
5. Kennedy
With maybe switching Northwood and Wheaton? Or Einstein and Northwood?
Anonymous
05/21/2018 23:48
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:20:12 - something is very wrong with your scores. You inflated Blair, deflated Churchill, and slightly inflated Wheaton.
Here are the SAT scores available at Niche.com
Churchill 1330
Blair 1270
Einstein and Wheaton 1150
The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.
When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.
For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 10.
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
I've suspected the same kid would do more or less the same at any of these schools too, but your analysis underscores this for me. Unfortunately, this won't go over well with people who paid big bucks to live in the segregated areas.
+1
Anonymous
05/21/2018 22:41
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
20:12 - something is very wrong with your scores. You inflated Blair, deflated Churchill, and slightly inflated Wheaton.
Here are the SAT scores available at Niche.com
Churchill 1330
Blair 1270
Einstein and Wheaton 1150
The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.
When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.
For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 10.
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shareda...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Except the data doesn't show that kids do the same. As a PP pointed out AA students do better at Churchill than Blair. I also still didn't see the numbers that the PP is posting and can't figure out how she got them. Did she only include Asian students in the magnet program for Blair and then remove the Asian students from Churchill? Weird.
Regardless, the PP's maneuvering doesn't particularly help the DCC schools. Every other source available will report the actual average which has schools like Churchill and Wootton up in the 1300s and Blair in the 1200s with Wheaton/Einstein in the mid 1100s. No parent is going to rifle through internal MCPS data to cherry pick certain scores and come to the conclusion that somehow Blair is better. Every ranking from US News to Niche to Great Schools has the DCC schools in the middle to bottom. It just is what it is.
Asian and white students do better at Blair than any W schools. Blair has more academic achievements than all the W schools combined, and it's not even close. Blair is nationally known while the W's are not (well except on paper).
It just is what it is.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 19:35
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
20:12 - something is very wrong with your scores. You inflated Blair, deflated Churchill, and slightly inflated Wheaton.
Here are the SAT scores available at Niche.com
Churchill 1330
Blair 1270
Einstein and Wheaton 1150
The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.
When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.
For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 10.
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shareda...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Except the data doesn't show that kids do the same. As a PP pointed out AA students do better at Churchill than Blair. I also still didn't see the numbers that the PP is posting and can't figure out how she got them. Did she only include Asian students in the magnet program for Blair and then remove the Asian students from Churchill? Weird.
Regardless, the PP's maneuvering doesn't particularly help the DCC schools. Every other source available will report the actual average which has schools like Churchill and Wootton up in the 1300s and Blair in the 1200s with Wheaton/Einstein in the mid 1100s. No parent is going to rifle through internal MCPS data to cherry pick certain scores and come to the conclusion that somehow Blair is better. Every ranking from US News to Niche to Great Schools has the DCC schools in the middle to bottom. It just is what it is.
She used the SAT data by race reported by MCPS. It is not cherry picking scores. The numbers she reported are for white students only at each school listed.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 18:30
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
20:12 - something is very wrong with your scores. You inflated Blair, deflated Churchill, and slightly inflated Wheaton.
Here are the SAT scores available at Niche.com
Churchill 1330
Blair 1270
Einstein and Wheaton 1150
The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.
When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.
For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 10.
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/shareda...c_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
Except the data doesn't show that kids do the same. As a PP pointed out AA students do better at Churchill than Blair. I also still didn't see the numbers that the PP is posting and can't figure out how she got them. Did she only include Asian students in the magnet program for Blair and then remove the Asian students from Churchill? Weird.
Regardless, the PP's maneuvering doesn't particularly help the DCC schools. Every other source available will report the actual average which has schools like Churchill and Wootton up in the 1300s and Blair in the 1200s with Wheaton/Einstein in the mid 1100s. No parent is going to rifle through internal MCPS data to cherry pick certain scores and come to the conclusion that somehow Blair is better. Every ranking from US News to Niche to Great Schools has the DCC schools in the middle to bottom. It just is what it is.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 10:23
Subject: DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
We bought for our commutes and the schools and have been very happy. I assume others do as well.
I would never buy in an area that backed in to an asinine commute for major business districts of either of us. There are good school programs everywhere, north/south/east/west. I assume it is the same for others as well. It was one of the reasons we didn't do private either - did not want to also layer in driving kids to schools as well as ourselves. We value our family time and being productive. No long bus rides, no long commutes, no long dropoff-pick up lines. Keep it simple.
I would never buy in an area that backed in to an asinine commute for major business districts of either of us. There are good school programs everywhere, north/south/east/west. I assume it is the same for others as well. It was one of the reasons we didn't do private either - did not want to also layer in driving kids to schools as well as ourselves. We value our family time and being productive. No long bus rides, no long commutes, no long dropoff-pick up lines. Keep it simple.
Anonymous
05/21/2018 09:58
Subject: Re:DCC residents - what are your plans for high school?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:20:12 - something is very wrong with your scores. You inflated Blair, deflated Churchill, and slightly inflated Wheaton.
Here are the SAT scores available at Niche.com
Churchill 1330
Blair 1270
Einstein and Wheaton 1150
The PP's intent was to look past simple averages that GS uses which serve only to identify which high-schools draw a higher percentage of rich kids., and provide a better, refined analysis that looks at the granular data.
When you isolate for race which is proxy a for socioeconomic status there is not much of a disparity between the performance of kids of the same backgrounds across these schools.
For example, when you compare average SAT scores for MCPS schools for a larger demographic common to all these schools the great schools narrative begins to fall apart and it becomes clear they're not all that different.
Blair 1326
Walter Johnson 1275
Wooton 1262
Churchill 1257
Wheaton 1173
Einstein 1148
The data is for the largest cohort common to the aforementioned schools on page 10.
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2017/1771102HS%20Princ_SAT%20Partic_Perf%20Class%20of%202017.pdf
I've suspected the same kid would do more or less the same at any of these schools too, but your analysis underscores this for me. Unfortunately, this won't go over well with people who paid big bucks to live in the segregated areas.