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Anonymous wrote:Everybody get off your pitiful plight pedestals for a second and bear in mind this is 2018 and in this day and age here in the District the only people universally disrespected as being less than human are hom, followed closely by the impoverished and the imprisoned. Geezus this woe is me shit is nauseating. You wanna experience true discrimination, disregard, and disrespect go throw some grubby clothes on and just stand around outside for a while. I got money says regardless of your race creed color religion gender or sexuality damn near everyone will either avoid you like the plague or pretend you don’t exist.

Way to deflect!! This is about Jews being called "termites." It's not about homeless people. I get it though - you believe anti-semitism isn't really a thing, and that Jews have no right to be upset about it anyway.

If that's how you interpret what I said more power to you but that's not what I said.

Not the PP, but that effectively is what you said.....that antisemitism isn't "as bad" as bigotry againt others, and you are diminishing it.

Plus, did you actually say, in your effort to prove Antisemtism isn't all that bad, that Jews aren't as disrespected as convicted criminals? That's what you're coming up with now? Well then, that makes me feel better. Jew, or burglar? Jew, or violent assaulter? Jew, or rapist? Eh, as bad as them Jews are, I guess rapists are worse. Thanks a heap.

I said the most universally disrespected, disregarded, and discriminated people here in the district are the homeless followed by the impoverished and the imprisoned. Anything else you gathered from that statement is your narrative not mine.

Ok well - the topic of this thread is anti-semitism in the district. Do what do the homeless have to do with anti-semitism? Please explain.

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It Could Always Be Worse: A Yiddish Folk Tale by Margot Zemach (1976)

So you think Jews have no right to call out anti-semitism because "it could always be worse." Is that right?

Exactly.

They are still white, and therefore full of that famous white privilege.

^^^ Racist, exhibit a.

Actually it was sarcasm to expose racism, exhibit a.

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In this image, Lopez is literally holding his thumb on the button that amplifies the microphone. He could have just lifted his thumb to mute the speaker. He didn't. He didn't flinch at the words being spoken. He has NO place in DC public life. None.

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Anonymous wrote:Everybody get off your pitiful plight pedestals for a second and bear in mind this is 2018 and in this day and age here in the District the only people universally disrespected as being less than human are hom, followed closely by the impoverished and the imprisoned. Geezus this woe is me shit is nauseating. You wanna experience true discrimination, disregard, and disrespect go throw some grubby clothes on and just stand around outside for a while. I got money says regardless of your race creed color religion gender or sexuality damn near everyone will either avoid you like the plague or pretend you don’t exist.

Way to deflect!! This is about Jews being called "termites." It's not about homeless people. I get it though - you believe anti-semitism isn't really a thing, and that Jews have no right to be upset about it anyway.

If that's how you interpret what I said more power to you but that's not what I said.

Not the PP, but that effectively is what you said.....that antisemitism isn't "as bad" as bigotry againt others, and you are diminishing it.

Plus, did you actually say, in your effort to prove Antisemtism isn't all that bad, that Jews aren't as disrespected as convicted criminals? That's what you're coming up with now? Well then, that makes me feel better. Jew, or burglar? Jew, or violent assaulter? Jew, or rapist? Eh, as bad as them Jews are, I guess rapists are worse. Thanks a heap.

I said the most universally disrespected, disregarded, and discriminated people here in the district are the homeless followed by the impoverished and the imprisoned. Anything else you gathered from that statement is your narrative not mine.

Ok well - the topic of this thread is anti-semitism in the district. Do what do the homeless have to do with anti-semitism? Please explain.

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It Could Always Be Worse: A Yiddish Folk Tale by Margot Zemach (1976)

So you think Jews have no right to call out anti-semitism because "it could always be worse." Is that right?

Exactly.

They are still white, and therefore full of that famous white privilege.

^^^ Racist, exhibit a.

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Anonymous wrote:1) You csnnot blame antisemitism among black men solely on their exposure to the NOI while serving their sentences. How then would you explain antisemitism among those who never went to prison? Farrakhan, through his henchmen, reach out to them as well.

2) Reforming the prison system is a decade-long undertaking (at least). We can, however, IMMEDIATELY disallow DC public officials from helping spread Farrakhan's hatred and bigotry to the non-prison population.

3) The first priority of the prison system, at least as it relates to violent crime, is protection of the general population from violent people. Second is rehabilitation.

4) Let's not blame society entirely. These men are in prison for burglary, assault, what-have-you. Surely you are not implying that poor black men from uneducated homes all commit crimes and end up in jail?

So, let's not start with the most difficult population and system to reform - convicted criminals and prisons. Let's start with poor, angry men who are looking for a scapegoat, and who find it in Jews courtesy of Farrakhan's hate speech.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers.

Straight up...if you really want to assign the blame to where it belongs then its not enough to point a single solitary finger at Minister Farrakhan and the NOI and tell legislators that they are officially "off limits". That doesn't interrupt the indoctrination of antisemitism nor does it impede the spread of antisemitic influences in impoverished black communities. Truly assigning the blame to where it belongs requires two fingers at least - yeah point one at Farrakhan and the NOI, but without question another finger needs to be pointed at our criminal justice system which is in dire need of reform.

Where do you think the indoctrination occurs and why do you think the indoctrination is so successful?
Because while the widespread NOI Prison Reform Ministry's main priority is to invest time and energy into rebuilding the lives of the 2+ million black men imprisoned in this country, our local, state and federal agencies main priority is simply building more jails to hold all those black men in.
Society conveniently forgets all about them once they get locked up and leaves them to rot behind bars without a care of the physical conditions they're being kept in or the psychological environments they're exposed to that can potentially exacerbate their criminality or possibly even introduce them to extremism.

I guarantee you the uninvited speaker that called Jews "termites" spent some time in the joint and I guarantee you he wasn't benefited by a criminal justice system that was genuinely committed to or designed for his rehabilitation.
No doubt that dude, like so many others behind bars for an extended stay and in dire straights, turned to the NOI to help him get his life together - unaware of the antisemitic indoctrination that comes with the program.

Well, how about NOI's members and supporters push back against the anti-semitic propaganda? Why is that an essential part of NOI's work? I mean, if anti-semitism is an intrinsic part of NOI, then it's hard to tell the difference between their work in prisons and the work of the Aryan Brotherhood. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's also important to point the finger first directly where the source of the problem flows from ...

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers.

Straight up...if you really want to assign the blame to where it belongs then its not enough to point a single solitary finger at Minister Farrakhan and the NOI and tell legislators that they are officially "off limits". That doesn't interrupt the indoctrination of antisemitism nor does it impede the spread of antisemitic influences in impoverished black communities. Truly assigning the blame to where it belongs requires two fingers at least - yeah point one at Farrakhan and the NOI, but without question another finger needs to be pointed at our criminal justice system which is in dire need of reform.

Where do you think the indoctrination occurs and why do you think the indoctrination is so successful?
Because while the widespread NOI Prison Reform Ministry's main priority is to invest time and energy into rebuilding the lives of the 2+ million black men imprisoned in this country, our local, state and federal agencies main priority is simply building more jails to hold all those black men in.
Society conveniently forgets all about them once they get locked up and leaves them to rot behind bars without a care of the physical conditions they're being kept in or the psychological environments they're exposed to that can potentially exacerbate their criminality or possibly even introduce them to extremism.

I guarantee you the uninvited speaker that called Jews "termites" spent some time in the joint and I guarantee you he wasn't benefited by a criminal justice system that was genuinely committed to or designed for his rehabilitation.
No doubt that dude, like so many others behind bars for an extended stay and in dire straights, turned to the NOI to help him get his life together - unaware of the antisemitic indoctrination that comes with the program.

Well, how about NOI's members and supporters push back against the anti-semitic propaganda? Why is that an essential part of NOI's work? I mean, if anti-semitism is an intrinsic part of NOI, then it's hard to tell the difference between their work in prisons and the work of the Aryan Brotherhood. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's also important to point the finger first directly where the source of the problem flows from ...

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers.

Straight up...if you really want to assign the blame to where it belongs then its not enough to point a single solitary finger at Minister Farrakhan and the NOI and tell legislators that they are officially "off limits". That doesn't interrupt the indoctrination of antisemitism nor does it impede the spread of antisemitic influences in impoverished black communities. Truly assigning the blame to where it belongs requires two fingers at least - yeah point one at Farrakhan and the NOI, but without question another finger needs to be pointed at our criminal justice system which is in dire need of reform.

Where do you think the indoctrination occurs and why do you think the indoctrination is so successful?
Because while the widespread NOI Prison Reform Ministry's main priority is to invest time and energy into rebuilding the lives of the 2+ million black men imprisoned in this country, our local, state and federal agencies main priority is simply building more jails to hold all those black men in.
Society conveniently forgets all about them once they get locked up and leaves them to rot behind bars without a care of the physical conditions they're being kept in or the psychological environments they're exposed to that can potentially exacerbate their criminality or possibly even introduce them to extremism.

I guarantee you the uninvited speaker that called Jews "termites" spent some time in the joint and I guarantee you he wasn't benefited by a criminal justice system that was genuinely committed to or designed for his rehabilitation.
No doubt that dude, like so many others behind bars for an extended stay and in dire straights, turned to the NOI to help him get his life together - unaware of the antisemitic indoctrination that comes with the program.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers. All public attachments to Farrakhan must be halted:

1) Any Council member or public official who donates funds to Farrakhan's hate group will be asked to resign or be fired.
2) Any Council member or public official who permits a Farrakhanite to speak at a public event will be asked to resign or be fired.
3) Any Council member who is asked but refuses to repudiate a Farrakanite's hate speech will be deemed as condoning antisemitism and asked to resign.
4) Grants to organizations that sponsor events headlined by an Farrakhanite (such as the one on Thursday who called Jews "termites") will be halted immediately.

For starters.

How do you define a Farrakhanite? Especially with an expansive definition, this goes too far. At some point, you don't get to completely dictate who is persona non grata in D.C. politics.

A Farrakhanite is one who is a follower of Farrakhan and publicly promotes his venomous views against Jews (and whites), thereby advancing bigotry and division. The leaders in DC politics have every right - I'd say they have an obligation - to develop an action plan to promote tolerance of all races and religions.

Well, is it a follower of Farrakhan AND publically promotes his anti-Semitic views, or is being a follower of Farrakhan enough even if that person hasn't directly said anything? If the latter, what counts as a follower of Farrakhan? Is working with him/NOI in any capacity enough?

i agree leaders can and should develop an action plan for tolerance, but when you start having broad definitions of when leaders should have to resign, you start to nullify the will of the voters and, to some degree, if the voters want certain individuals/views from their elected leaders, you don't necessarily get to overrule that.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers. All public attachments to Farrakhan must be halted:

1) Any Council member or public official who donates funds to Farrakhan's hate group will be asked to resign or be fired.
2) Any Council member or public official who permits a Farrakhanite to speak at a public event will be asked to resign or be fired.
3) Any Council member who is asked but refuses to repudiate a Farrakanite's hate speech will be deemed as condoning antisemitism and asked to resign.
4) Grants to organizations that sponsor events headlined by an Farrakhanite (such as the one on Thursday who called Jews "termites") will be halted immediately.

For starters.

How do you define a Farrakhanite? Especially with an expansive definition, this goes too far. At some point, you don't get to completely dictate who is persona non grata in D.C. politics.

A Farrakhanite is one who is a follower of Farrakhan and publicly promotes his venomous views against Jews (and whites), thereby advancing bigotry and division. The leaders in DC politics have every right - I'd say they have an obligation - to develop an action plan to promote tolerance of all races and religions.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers. All public attachments to Farrakhan must be halted:

1) Any Council member or public official who donates funds to Farrakhan's hate group will be asked to resign or be fired.
2) Any Council member or public official who permits a Farrakhanite to speak at a public event will be asked to resign or be fired.
3) Any Council member who is asked but refuses to repudiate a Farrakanite's hate speech will be deemed as condoning antisemitism and asked to resign.
4) Grants to organizations that sponsor events headlined by an Farrakhanite (such as the one on Thursday who called Jews "termites") will be halted immediately.

For starters.

How do you define a Farrakhanite? Especially with an expansive definition, this goes too far. At some point, you don't get to completely dictate who is persona non grata in D.C. politics.

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Anonymous wrote:Statement from CM Silverman

https://www.popville.com/2018/04/councilmember-silvermans-response-to-being-called-a-fake-jew/#more-203458

OP here, and THIS is what I've been trying to communicate, not only on this thread but on the adjacent one focused on White. (Clearly, Silverman is more articulate than I am.)

I echo ALL of her comments, but want to draw out her remark that we cannot blame ignorance for antisemitic remarks (and attitudes), as was attempted on Trayon's behalf, but rather we must assign the blame where it belongs - to the association with and poisoning of black minds by Farrakhan and his followers. All public attachments to Farrakhan must be halted:

1) Any Council member or public official who donates funds to Farrakhan's hate group will be asked to resign or be fired.
2) Any Council member or public official who permits a Farrakhanite to speak at a public event will be asked to resign or be fired.
3) Any Council member who is asked but refuses to repudiate a Farrakanite's hate speech will be deemed as condoning antisemitism and asked to resign.
4) Grants to organizations that sponsor events headlined by an Farrakhanite (such as the one on Thursday who called Jews "termites") will be halted immediately.

For starters.