Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 10:19     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What? I said that all gun owners assume that nothing bad would ever happen in their house with their gun. Are you saying that's not the case, and that there are some gun owners who assume that something bad WILL happen in their house with their gun?

Even if a gun is usually locked in a safe, it is taken out to use and maintain it, at which time it's vulnerable to being left outside the safe in an emergency/urgent situation (things that are uncommon but do happen to people sometimes no matter how much they think they won't, such as a kid screaming his head off from the yard because he's fallen and badly broken his arm, a phone call saying that someone has been in an accident and is in the ICU and you need to come right this minute if you want to talk to them in this life again, a sharp pain in the abdomen from food poisoning). Also many kids find the keys to the gun safe and never mention it to their parents. I've heard it from a child myself - "the gun is in the safe but I know where the key is! I found it one day when I was looking for ....".

People are idiots if they think that it's 100% safe just because it's usually stored in something called a 'safe'. And they're total jerks if they don't even bother using a safe.


You know nothing about guns, gun safes, or gun owners. You are an idiot.

When you take a gun out to clean it, you leave the ammunition locked in the safe. Accident risk, zero, even if some distraction occurs.

Gun safes do not have keys, they have combinations. I call bullshit on your "I know where the key to my dad's gun safe is" story.


Accidents happen. A childhood friend was married to a retired Marine. He shot himself in the leg while cleaning a gun. He was tired, thought he had cleared it, didn't realize that there was a round in the chamber.

I'm in law enforcement and supportive of gun ownership, but it's absurd to assert that there's "zero" risk when cleaning a gun. There's a reason that rules number one and two of safe gun handling are: treat every gun like it's loaded; and don't point it at anything you're not prepared to kill.


Agree and many don’t know those rules. I think as a country and culture we are never going to completely get rid of guns. But we need way more education on both sides. Those calling for a ban or rest i ruins need to learn more about guns and private gun ownership, and we also need to make sure gun owners and those looking to purchase guns are educated about safe handling and use. Gun ownership needs to be regulated by the state the same way operating a vehicle is. I’m a gun owner and would be all for requiring a licensing process with a written test and possibility of home security audits like the IRS audits people’s finances.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:46     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What? I said that all gun owners assume that nothing bad would ever happen in their house with their gun. Are you saying that's not the case, and that there are some gun owners who assume that something bad WILL happen in their house with their gun?

Even if a gun is usually locked in a safe, it is taken out to use and maintain it, at which time it's vulnerable to being left outside the safe in an emergency/urgent situation (things that are uncommon but do happen to people sometimes no matter how much they think they won't, such as a kid screaming his head off from the yard because he's fallen and badly broken his arm, a phone call saying that someone has been in an accident and is in the ICU and you need to come right this minute if you want to talk to them in this life again, a sharp pain in the abdomen from food poisoning). Also many kids find the keys to the gun safe and never mention it to their parents. I've heard it from a child myself - "the gun is in the safe but I know where the key is! I found it one day when I was looking for ....".

People are idiots if they think that it's 100% safe just because it's usually stored in something called a 'safe'. And they're total jerks if they don't even bother using a safe.


You know nothing about guns, gun safes, or gun owners. You are an idiot.

When you take a gun out to clean it, you leave the ammunition locked in the safe. Accident risk, zero, even if some distraction occurs.

Gun safes do not have keys, they have combinations. I call bullshit on your "I know where the key to my dad's gun safe is" story.


Accidents happen. A childhood friend was married to a retired Marine. He shot himself in the leg while cleaning a gun. He was tired, thought he had cleared it, didn't realize that there was a round in the chamber.

I'm in law enforcement and supportive of gun ownership, but it's absurd to assert that there's "zero" risk when cleaning a gun. There's a reason that rules number one and two of safe gun handling are: treat every gun like it's loaded; and don't point it at anything you're not prepared to kill.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:45     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What? I said that all gun owners assume that nothing bad would ever happen in their house with their gun. Are you saying that's not the case, and that there are some gun owners who assume that something bad WILL happen in their house with their gun?

Even if a gun is usually locked in a safe, it is taken out to use and maintain it, at which time it's vulnerable to being left outside the safe in an emergency/urgent situation (things that are uncommon but do happen to people sometimes no matter how much they think they won't, such as a kid screaming his head off from the yard because he's fallen and badly broken his arm, a phone call saying that someone has been in an accident and is in the ICU and you need to come right this minute if you want to talk to them in this life again, a sharp pain in the abdomen from food poisoning). Also many kids find the keys to the gun safe and never mention it to their parents. I've heard it from a child myself - "the gun is in the safe but I know where the key is! I found it one day when I was looking for ....".

People are idiots if they think that it's 100% safe just because it's usually stored in something called a 'safe'. And they're total jerks if they don't even bother using a safe.


You know nothing about guns, gun safes, or gun owners. You are an idiot.

When you take a gun out to clean it, you leave the ammunition locked in the safe. Accident risk, zero, even if some distraction occurs.

Gun safes do not have keys, they have combinations. I call bullshit on your "I know where the key to my dad's gun safe is" story.


Accidents happen. A childhood friend was married to a retired Marine. He shot himself in the leg while cleaning a gun. He was tired, thought he had cleared it, didn't realize that there was a round in the chamber.

I'm in law enforcement and supportive of gun ownership, but it's absurd to assert that there's "zero" risk when cleaning a gun. There's a reason that rules number one and two of safe gun handling are: treat every gun like it's loaded; and don't point it at anything you're not prepared to kill.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:38     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
No, I’ve never asked about guns before a play date. I live in a part of the US where everybody owns guns. Many of the vehicles on the road carry guns. People openly carry. Nobody blinks an eye. We call people with guns good neighbors around here.

Are people back east really that paranoid about guns? Kids here learn about guns at a very early age. It’s seems insane to me that something we consider perfectly normal would be considered evil where you’re at.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:19     Subject: Re:do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:My FIL wears a gun on his belt everywhere he goes including inside his home.

No, my kids do not play at his home and have never set foot inside his house or go anywhere with him when we visit his state (Florida) when he is armed. We made this clear when we had our first baby and he chose his gun over his grandchildren. He must leave his gun at home when he comes to visit us so he has only seen our home once in his sorry life.


He sounds like a trumpster.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:11     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why are the gun owners so afraid to tell people they have guns?


It's not privacy, as someone on here claims. Or fears of their guns being stolen. They just don't want society's judgement.
And when are we embarrassed and afraid of judgement? Because we know we are doing something wrong.


I am a gun owner, and I assure you I do not give a single fck about "society's judgement". Least of all do I think I am "doing something wrong" by owning guns. You are projecting your own stupid ideas onto gun owners.

It is privacy and security. Simple as that.


So your security concerns are that you are afraid someone will be able to get into the house and steal your gun ? THe one that's protected by an impenetrable fortress with a combination safe + multiple points of failure?

And the privacy? Why do you need privacy for this? I get why people wouldn't share where their money is invested, what their salary is, what their health problems are - this doesn't affect other people. Unsafe things in your home *could* affect other people. And its not the same thing as a knife or stairs, but it is similar enough to a dog or an open swimming pool.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 09:03     Subject: Re:do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Then say to my face when I ask: "This is a private matter that we don't discuss outside family". Bam!
You don't have to lie in my face, freaking hypocrite who is all about choice as long as others get none.


I don't owe you an honest answer to your immoral effort to intrude upon my privacy.


Guys, quit feeding the troll.


He or She is not a troll. They aren't trying to get a reaction out of us to generate conversation. This is a person who believes what he/she says. Unfortunately. I hope i never meet you in real life, as your selfishness and apathy are repulsive.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 07:11     Subject: Re:do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Then say to my face when I ask: "This is a private matter that we don't discuss outside family". Bam!
You don't have to lie in my face, freaking hypocrite who is all about choice as long as others get none.


I don't owe you an honest answer to your immoral effort to intrude upon my privacy.


Guys, quit feeding the troll.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 00:08     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Honestly, most guns don't bother me.

An AR-15 though... that bothers me.
Anonymous
Post 02/17/2018 00:06     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Yeah, given the right motivation, kids can hack into gun safes, keyed or otherwise. I learned how to pick locks and combo sets at 15 to get petty cash out. Not hard.

And it's apparently getting easier:
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/12/top-selling-handgun-safe-can-be-remotely-opened-in-seconds-no-pin-needed/
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 23:39     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What? I said that all gun owners assume that nothing bad would ever happen in their house with their gun. Are you saying that's not the case, and that there are some gun owners who assume that something bad WILL happen in their house with their gun?

Even if a gun is usually locked in a safe, it is taken out to use and maintain it, at which time it's vulnerable to being left outside the safe in an emergency/urgent situation (things that are uncommon but do happen to people sometimes no matter how much they think they won't, such as a kid screaming his head off from the yard because he's fallen and badly broken his arm, a phone call saying that someone has been in an accident and is in the ICU and you need to come right this minute if you want to talk to them in this life again, a sharp pain in the abdomen from food poisoning). Also many kids find the keys to the gun safe and never mention it to their parents. I've heard it from a child myself - "the gun is in the safe but I know where the key is! I found it one day when I was looking for ....".

People are idiots if they think that it's 100% safe just because it's usually stored in something called a 'safe'. And they're total jerks if they don't even bother using a safe.


You know nothing about guns, gun safes, or gun owners. You are an idiot.

When you take a gun out to clean it, you leave the ammunition locked in the safe. Accident risk, zero, even if some distraction occurs.

Gun safes do not have keys, they have combinations. I call bullshit on your "I know where the key to my dad's gun safe is" story.


Older gun safes (that are still in use) had keys, and plenty of new gun safes have keys too.

Examples available for purchase right now:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Stack-On-18-Gun-Key-Lock-Security-Cabinet-Black-GCB-18C-DS/206049208
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Stack-On-10-Gun-Black-Double-Door-Security-Cabinet-GCDB-924/202996381

From the reviews, seems like some people are indeed still purchasing them for gun storage.

Sounds like you're the one who doesn't know as much about guns as you think you do.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 23:20     Subject: Re:do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:Then say to my face when I ask: "This is a private matter that we don't discuss outside family". Bam!
You don't have to lie in my face, freaking hypocrite who is all about choice as long as others get none.


I don't owe you an honest answer to your immoral effort to intrude upon my privacy.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 23:18     Subject: Re:do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:My FIL wears a gun on his belt everywhere he goes including inside his home.

No, my kids do not play at his home and have never set foot inside his house or go anywhere with him when we visit his state (Florida) when he is armed. We made this clear when we had our first baby and he chose his gun over his grandchildren. He must leave his gun at home when he comes to visit us so he has only seen our home once in his sorry life.


How pathetic that his guns have kept him in a prison of his own choice, away from his family.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 23:18     Subject: Re:do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:You bet I ask about guns. I also ask about kitchen knives, staircases, swimming pools, tall trees nearby that could fall on the house, flagpoles (they can attract lightning), and whether they have working carbon monoxide and fire alarms. I get their driving records too. It’s my business to protect my child! Although strangely DD doesn’t have very many playdates.


(starts backing slowly away from the crazy lady having a tirade...)
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2018 23:17     Subject: do you ask about guns at a family's house before letting your kid go to a playdate there?
Anonymous wrote:What? I said that all gun owners assume that nothing bad would ever happen in their house with their gun. Are you saying that's not the case, and that there are some gun owners who assume that something bad WILL happen in their house with their gun?

Even if a gun is usually locked in a safe, it is taken out to use and maintain it, at which time it's vulnerable to being left outside the safe in an emergency/urgent situation (things that are uncommon but do happen to people sometimes no matter how much they think they won't, such as a kid screaming his head off from the yard because he's fallen and badly broken his arm, a phone call saying that someone has been in an accident and is in the ICU and you need to come right this minute if you want to talk to them in this life again, a sharp pain in the abdomen from food poisoning). Also many kids find the keys to the gun safe and never mention it to their parents. I've heard it from a child myself - "the gun is in the safe but I know where the key is! I found it one day when I was looking for ....".

People are idiots if they think that it's 100% safe just because it's usually stored in something called a 'safe'. And they're total jerks if they don't even bother using a safe.


You know nothing about guns, gun safes, or gun owners. You are an idiot.

When you take a gun out to clean it, you leave the ammunition locked in the safe. Accident risk, zero, even if some distraction occurs.

Gun safes do not have keys, they have combinations. I call bullshit on your "I know where the key to my dad's gun safe is" story.