Over the past five years, the suburban NoVa jurisdiction with the largest increase in the percentage of low-income kids has been Prince William, followed by Fairfax and then Alexandria City. Recall that Prince William was the county that supposedly took the hard line on undocumented residents, etc.

The point is that these trends are determined primarily by location and housing stock, at least at the local level. Unless Arlington or Loudoun starts building tons of cheap garden apartments, most of the the FARMS population will be in places like Culmore, Herndon, Springfield, Woodbridge and Manassas, not North Arlington or Ashburn.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The longer term solution is to reduce poverty in the Central Springfield area. If not, the poverty will expand west into West Springfield feeders (such as Cardinal Forest, Rolling Valley, and Keene Mill), east into Edison feeders, and south into South County feeders.

The Federal government must get control of our borders. Even if immigrants work hard and move up out of poverty, our current situation just allows more poverty to back fill in. There is a never ending supply of people who would like to be in the United States. We cannot take them all.

You are a moron apparently. PP said Rolling Valley is basically a west Springfield feeder and Cardinal Forest would be moving to Lake Braddock.

Knee Mill is an AAP center that is essentially akin to Springfield Estates.

As someone who's on the other side of the county, I am popping popcorn for this drama.

How am I a moron? I was making a statement about the expansion of poverty in the general Springfield area if it is not brought under control (if we don't stop importing poverty).

Rolling Valley is a West Springfield feeder. The homes in the Rolling Valley area are relatively inexpensive and it would be a logical next place for poorer immigrants to inhabit. Same goes for the apartments in the Cardinal Forest area and the relatively inexpensive homes in the Keene Mill neighborhoods (it is not AAP exclusively, but has regular students as well). Do you know where Cardinal Forest is? It is actually the closest elementary to West Springfield High School, so it will not likely be moved to Lake Braddock.

You are dumb because you are a bigot. Almost all of these children are in this country legally. FWIW if you want to talk about undocumented minors, Justice High feeders seem to be impacted the most. Research has been done on this point.

The people who are immigrants in the Lee feeder are working class people who are in this country legally for the most part (although the county does have a pilot program for those students between 18-22 who are seeking a high school diploma and are an immigrant -- ya got me there). You seem much more worried about West Springfield turning into Herndon or South Lakes than you do about the idea PP is speaking about.

Who knows? Maybe your kids will get into that IB program, lol.

Throwing out the bigot card. Please. Just stating reality. If you have some research on how many illegal vs. illegal immigrants are in each of the FCPS schools that would be interesting to see. Importing poverty can mean legal and illegal. Doesn't really matter. And their status still wouldn't change the fact that Fairfax has concentrated the Hispanic poverty in particular schools. I imagine that you are a limousine liberal, happy to have all these people come into the country as long as your children don't have to go to school with them.

Many of these immigrant students are good kids, but that doesn't make it any easier to educate them (when they don't speak English and their parents don't speak English). This means more effort, time, and money must be spent to educate them. This means less time and effort for the average student. Many arguments on this site about how resources are being spent in Fairfax on the upper and lower ends of the spectrum while the general ed students get less attention.

In the end, native born parents are moving their students to the schools with the lowest numbers of immigrants because they think their students will get more attention and have more peers. This leads to have and have not schools. I am not one of these parents.

Anonymous wrote:2017-18 FARMS rates - FCPS high schools:

TJHSST 1.9%
Langley 1.9%
McLean 8.7%
Madison 10.4%
Robinson 10.7%
Woodson 11.7%
Oakton 12.9%
West Springfield 19.9%
Lake Braddock 16.3%
Chantilly 16.9%
Marshall 17.7%
South County 18.4%
Fairfax 23.3%
Centreville 25.7%
Westfield 26.4%
South Lakes 29.7%
Hayfield 30.0%
Edison 35.6%
Herndon 39.6%
West Potomac 40.5%
Falls Church 52.5%
Lee 55.4%
Mount Vernon 55.5%
Annandale 56.6%
Stuart 60.9%

West Springfield should be 12.9%

2017-18 FARMS rates - FCPS high schools:

TJHSST 1.9%
Langley 1.9%
McLean 8.7%
Madison 10.4%
Robinson 10.7%
Woodson 11.7%
Oakton 12.9%
West Springfield 19.9%
Lake Braddock 16.3%
Chantilly 16.9%
Marshall 17.7%
South County 18.4%
Fairfax 23.3%
Centreville 25.7%
Westfield 26.4%
South Lakes 29.7%
Hayfield 30.0%
Edison 35.6%
Herndon 39.6%
West Potomac 40.5%
Falls Church 52.5%
Lee 55.4%
Mount Vernon 55.5%
Annandale 56.6%
Stuart 60.9%

Testify at the February 8th School Board meeting against the proposal to move part of Jackson MS to Thoreau MS.

Use it as an opportunity to point out that FCPS needs to stop putting its head and start taking concrete steps to strengthen Annandale HS, Lee HS, Mount Vernon HS and Poe MS - all schools that FCPS has been gutting and neglecting over the years. Now they want to screw over Jackson MS as well. Shame on them.

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, Annandale is under capacity. It can definitely take on a feeder or two, particularly when you consider IB seats moving to the IB school.

Second of all, the West Springfield poster. No, obviously all of Lee's feeders aren't going to West Springfield. Rolling Valley is in the slow process of essentially becoming a WS feeder. Two, maybe three, might be added. But what about the current schools?

White Oaks would go to Robinson, Sangster would either go to Robinson or South County (more likely). Cardinal Forest and Orange Hunt would go to Lake Braddock. Based on the current under capacity, suddenly you have seats.

Another point. People seem to forget that there was a census and essentially pulling South County, Hayfield, Edison, Annandale, West Springfield and Lee IB seats would be sufficient to fill an entire school. That would fix the capacity issue, fwiw. All of these schools would be losing students to the HB Woodlawn IB model school. That would make moving feeders around more easy.

And yes, Lee was chosen because it's a perfect storm. Its demographics indicate that it's will run into state oversight and it's centrally located among all of these schools.

And to follow up, don't be shocked if other feeders are moved to Annandale (Mason Crest and Woodson feeders). Avoiding state oversight and failing schools is a big deal for the county. Don't be surprised is a bigger shuffling is included if this plan take off running.

Mason Crest splits to Stuart and Falls Church. Pulling SFH neighborhoods out of Stuart so they can go to Annandale is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Btw, there are homes within spitting distance of Stone Middle and Centreville. They go to Robinson. Don't see so sure about boundaries, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The longer term solution is to reduce poverty in the Central Springfield area. If not, the poverty will expand west into West Springfield feeders (such as Cardinal Forest, Rolling Valley, and Keene Mill), east into Edison feeders, and south into South County feeders.

The Federal government must get control of our borders. Even if immigrants work hard and move up out of poverty, our current situation just allows more poverty to back fill in. There is a never ending supply of people who would like to be in the United States. We cannot take them all.

You are a moron apparently. PP said Rolling Valley is basically a west Springfield feeder and Cardinal Forest would be moving to Lake Braddock.

Knee Mill is an AAP center that is essentially akin to Springfield Estates.

As someone who's on the other side of the county, I am popping popcorn for this drama.

How am I a moron? I was making a statement about the expansion of poverty in the general Springfield area if it is not brought under control (if we don't stop importing poverty).

Rolling Valley is a West Springfield feeder. The homes in the Rolling Valley area are relatively inexpensive and it would be a logical next place for poorer immigrants to inhabit. Same goes for the apartments in the Cardinal Forest area and the relatively inexpensive homes in the Keene Mill neighborhoods (it is not AAP exclusively, but has regular students as well). Do you know where Cardinal Forest is? It is actually the closest elementary to West Springfield High School, so it will not likely be moved to Lake Braddock.

You are dumb because you are a bigot. Almost all of these children are in this country legally. FWIW if you want to talk about undocumented minors, Justice High feeders seem to be impacted the most. Research has been done on this point.

The people who are immigrants in the Lee feeder are working class people who are in this country legally for the most part (although the county does have a pilot program for those students between 18-22 who are seeking a high school diploma and are an immigrant -- ya got me there). You seem much more worried about West Springfield turning into Herndon or South Lakes than you do about the idea PP is speaking about.

Who knows? Maybe your kids will get into that IB program, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:The longer term solution is to reduce poverty in the Central Springfield area. If not, the poverty will expand west into West Springfield feeders (such as Cardinal Forest, Rolling Valley, and Keene Mill), east into Edison feeders, and south into South County feeders.

The Federal government must get control of our borders. Even if immigrants work hard and move up out of poverty, our current situation just allows more poverty to back fill in. There is a never ending supply of people who would like to be in the United States. We cannot take them all.

You are a moron apparently. PP said Rolling Valley is basically a west Springfield feeder and Cardinal Forest would be moving to Lake Braddock.

Knee Mill is an AAP center that is essentially akin to Springfield Estates.

As someone who's on the other side of the county, I am popping popcorn for this drama.

How am I a moron? I was making a statement about the expansion of poverty in the general Springfield area if it is not brought under control (if we don't stop importing poverty).

Rolling Valley is a West Springfield feeder. The homes in the Rolling Valley area are relatively inexpensive and it would be a logical next place for poorer immigrants to inhabit. Same goes for the apartments in the Cardinal Forest area and the relatively inexpensive homes in the Keene Mill neighborhoods (it is not AAP exclusively, but has regular students as well). Do you know where Cardinal Forest is? It is actually the closest elementary to West Springfield High School, so it will not likely be moved to Lake Braddock.

Anonymous wrote:The longer term solution is to reduce poverty in the Central Springfield area. If not, the poverty will expand west into West Springfield feeders (such as Cardinal Forest, Rolling Valley, and Keene Mill), east into Edison feeders, and south into South County feeders.

The Federal government must get control of our borders. Even if immigrants work hard and move up out of poverty, our current situation just allows more poverty to back fill in. There is a never ending supply of people who would like to be in the United States. We cannot take them all.

You are a moron apparently. PP said Rolling Valley is basically a west Springfield feeder and Cardinal Forest would be moving to Lake Braddock.

Knee Mill is an AAP center that is essentially akin to Springfield Estates.

As someone who's on the other side of the county, I am popping popcorn for this drama.

The longer term solution is to reduce poverty in the Central Springfield area. If not, the poverty will expand west into West Springfield feeders (such as Cardinal Forest, Rolling Valley, and Keene Mill), east into Edison feeders, and south into South County feeders.

The Federal government must get control of our borders. Even if immigrants work hard and move up out of poverty, our current situation just allows more poverty to back fill in. There is a never ending supply of people who would like to be in the United States. We cannot take them all.

Anonymous wrote:First of all, Annandale is under capacity. It can definitely take on a feeder or two, particularly when you consider IB seats moving to the IB school.

Second of all, the West Springfield poster. No, obviously all of Lee's feeders aren't going to West Springfield. Rolling Valley is in the slow process of essentially becoming a WS feeder. Two, maybe three, might be added. But what about the current schools?

White Oaks would go to Robinson, Sangster would either go to Robinson or South County (more likely). Cardinal Forest and Orange Hunt would go to Lake Braddock. Based on the current under capacity, suddenly you have seats.

Another point. People seem to forget that there was a census and essentially pulling South County, Hayfield, Edison, Annandale, West Springfield and Lee IB seats would be sufficient to fill an entire school. That would fix the capacity issue, fwiw. All of these schools would be losing students to the HB Woodlawn IB model school. That would make moving feeders around more easy.

And yes, Lee was chosen because it's a perfect storm. Its demographics indicate that it's will run into state oversight and it's centrally located among all of these schools.

And to follow up, don't be shocked if other feeders are moved to Annandale (Mason Crest and Woodson feeders). Avoiding state oversight and failing schools is a big deal for the county. Don't be surprised is a bigger shuffling is included if this plan take off running.

First of all, Annandale is under capacity. It can definitely take on a feeder or two, particularly when you consider IB seats moving to the IB school.

Second of all, the West Springfield poster. No, obviously all of Lee's feeders aren't going to West Springfield. Rolling Valley is in the slow process of essentially becoming a WS feeder. Two, maybe three, might be added. But what about the current schools?

White Oaks would go to Robinson, Sangster would either go to Robinson or South County (more likely). Cardinal Forest and Orange Hunt would go to Lake Braddock. Based on the current under capacity, suddenly you have seats.

Another point. People seem to forget that there was a census and essentially pulling South County, Hayfield, Edison, Annandale, West Springfield and Lee IB seats would be sufficient to fill an entire school. That would fix the capacity issue, fwiw. All of these schools would be losing students to the HB Woodlawn IB model school. That would make moving feeders around more easy.

And yes, Lee was chosen because it's a perfect storm. Its demographics indicate that it's will run into state oversight and it's centrally located among all of these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:What does Edison's capacity look like? It is so close to Lee, and on the same road.

It can absorb only one elementary feeder after sending the feeder that is on the other side of the beltway to Annandale Bren mar park

Annandale can't absorb any more feeders. WS cannot absorb any more feeders.

So all of these changes she is suggesting involves significant rezoning, moving most of Lee to WS, moving most of WS to LB and SC, tipping Annandale into Lee, flipping WS from one of the higher performing high schools into Lee, and creating a situation where one problem high school becomes 2 to 3 problem high schools, plus overcrowding LB to a monstrously sized school.

All by moving at least a dozen or more elementary school zones.

It is a really dumb suggestion that makes no sense.

Annandale has capacity. It would be better if FCPS moved Wakefield Forest or Mason Crest there rather than Lynbrook. But otherwise the PP’s idea to move Lee feeders to West Springfield and other schools isn’t a bad one.

You are simply coming off as a very uptight WS parent who is more than happy with FCPS concentrating as much poverty in Lee as it can, for as long as it can.

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Anonymous wrote:What does Edison's capacity look like? It is so close to Lee, and on the same road.

It can absorb only one elementary feeder after sending the feeder that is on the other side of the beltway to Annandale Bren mar park

Annandale can't absorb any more feeders. WS cannot absorb any more feeders.

So all of these changes she is suggesting involves significant rezoning, moving most of Lee to WS, moving most of WS to LB and SC, tipping Annandale into Lee, flipping WS from one of the higher performing high schools into Lee, and creating a situation where one problem high school becomes 2 to 3 problem high schools, plus overcrowding LB to a monstrously sized school.

All by moving at least a dozen or more elementary school zones.

It is a really dumb suggestion that makes no sense.