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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say, but it’s obviously never going to get better. Flyover America has been circling the drain since at least the 70s. Why don’t they have motivation to put their families in a better place to succeed; a place with a dynamic economy and competitive peers? Politicians are so obsessed with new immigrants because they see flyover people as hopeless.

This has probably already been said about a million times, but I would guess they don’t leave because that’s where all their friends and family are. Which is really what makes life worthwhile.

So, instead they'll continue to live off of welfare and complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs. I'm pretty sure way back when their ancestors didn't want to leave their friends and family behind, too. I know mine didn't, but they did it for a better life because there was no social welfare to lean on. Instead, they moved across an ocean, with no English or job skills and managed to find menial jobs, buy a small house and put two kids through college. This used to be called the American way. I think many Americans have lost their way.

Amen.

I shudder to think what the new American Values are in this day and age. Not pretty.

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Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

If you like living in a nondiverse area filled with fat white people.

So uninformed.

Tons of Swedes in Minnesota.
Tons of Vietnamese in Wisconsin. And fat Mexicans.
Tons of Arabs in Michigan.
Tons of poles and Russians in Illinois.
Tons of Koreans in north Illinois.
Tons of Czechs in Missouri.

Do east coasters seriously not know anything about how legal immigration happened over time and continues to happen? They must be too busy with their head up their ass harping about how great the illegal Hispanics’ money sinkhole/living in the dole forever is.

Another news flash: not everyone values east and west coast overpriced rat races, supply/demand imbalances (housing, schools, childcare), and high taxes. Many have a fulfilling career and life elsewhere and have the balls to move out of places like Ny, SF or here. Texas is the biggest beneficiary.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad to say, but it’s obviously never going to get better. Flyover America has been circling the drain since at least the 70s. Why don’t they have motivation to put their families in a better place to succeed; a place with a dynamic economy and competitive peers? Politicians are so obsessed with new immigrants because they see flyover people as hopeless.

This has probably already been said about a million times, but I would guess they don’t leave because that’s where all their friends and family are. Which is really what makes life worthwhile.

So, instead they'll continue to live off of welfare and complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs. I'm pretty sure way back when their ancestors didn't want to leave their friends and family behind, too. I know mine didn't, but they did it for a better life because there was no social welfare to lean on. Instead, they moved across an ocean, with no English or job skills and managed to find menial jobs, buy a small house and put two kids through college. This used to be called the American way. I think many Americans have lost their way.

Anonymous wrote:Sad to say, but it’s obviously never going to get better. Flyover America has been circling the drain since at least the 70s. Why don’t they have motivation to put their families in a better place to succeed; a place with a dynamic economy and competitive peers? Politicians are so obsessed with new immigrants because they see flyover people as hopeless.

This has probably already been said about a million times, but I would guess they don’t leave because that’s where all their friends and family are. Which is really what makes life worthwhile.

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Anonymous wrote:It really, really pays to be a big fish in flyover country. Plus, if my kids want to go to an Ivy, they’ll have an advantage over your kids.

Great cost-benefit analysis. Don't forget to factor in their advantage in picking up an opioid addiction, an out of wedlock birth, and lower SAT/ACT score.

You do know that the Washington Metro area is filled with people addicted to opioids, a minority population that values out of wedlock birth and a high school where kids are admitted to college without attending classes or graduating.

How's the in wedlock working for your syringe loving kids these days ,while we're at it how many marriages in this country end up in divorces ? You don't have much of an argument there buddy

I didn't start the argument. Another poster mentioned "opioid addiction, out of wedlock birth (sic), and lower SAT/ACT score (sic)" in referring to flyover country.

I merely pointed out that the same problems existed in the Washington Metro area.

You merely reinforced what the other poster stated.

I guess that's -- well -- something

It is 2017. Is out-of-wedlock still a thing anyone cares about. Between opioid addiction, out of wedlock birth, and low SAT scores I would say low scores and opioid addiction are probably the things to be upset about.

You are correct that in some cultures and communities, it's not "a thing anyone cares about."

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Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

If you like living in a nondiverse area filled with fat white people.

Because the thin angry stuck up white people in the DC area are such a joy to be around.

Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

So the OP's question should be rephrased - why don't all the unemployed folks in Wisconsin move to greater Madison? (because I think the question about mobility was more on point, and important, than the generalization about flyover country)

The problem of the large numbers of underemployed, discontented folks is a national problem - whether a highly qualified professional is better off in Madison, or in Annandale, not so much.

Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

You mean like Trek, the bike company. Kewl.

Oddly, this passes for a bike route there (in Waterloo)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1720126,-89.0135295,3a,75y,239.18h,80.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s78r9CW3-amTIDp-9JbYTvg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D78r9CW3-amTIDp-9JbYTvg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D223.84593%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e3

I guess Madison itself is better though.

Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

If you like living in a nondiverse area filled with fat white people.

Anonymous wrote:Of course there are exceptions — north shore Chicago, Minneapolis, and college towns like Madison Columbus and Ann Arbor ... but generally speaking, flyover country is a boring abandoned backwards dump. It will never improve. Geographically irrelevant outside of seasonal vacation spots on Lake Michigan and various hunting, fishing and ski towns.

Because life in Centreville, Annandale or Rockville is so scintillating.

Anonymous wrote:Of course there are exceptions — north shore Chicago, Minneapolis, and college towns like Madison Columbus and Ann Arbor ... but generally speaking, flyover country is a boring abandoned backwards dump. It will never improve. Geographically irrelevant outside of seasonal vacation spots on Lake Michigan and various hunting, fishing and ski towns.

^^^right-wing troll trying to stir things up.

Of course there are exceptions — north shore Chicago, Minneapolis, and college towns like Madison Columbus and Ann Arbor ... but generally speaking, flyover country is a boring abandoned backwards dump. It will never improve. Geographically irrelevant outside of seasonal vacation spots on Lake Michigan and various hunting, fishing and ski towns.

our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

Anonymous wrote:Sad to say, but it’s obviously never going to get better. Flyover America has been circling the drain since at least the 70s. Why don’t they have motivation to put their families in a better place to succeed; a place with a dynamic economy and competitive peers? Politicians are so obsessed with new immigrants because they see flyover people as hopeless.

lots of states and cities in "flyover country". Have you ever been? You sound uninformed and naive. Do you believe everything you read in the press? Get out some more, go visit Minneapolis, Des Moine, St Louis, Nashville, Omaha, Milwaukee, Cleveland. Yeah, you can shut down and say that opiod Appalachia is all there is or obese Blah Blah. If third hand info like that suits you, you are uninformed. Go form your own opinion. There are some cities listed here that have excellent standards of living, OK economies and very pleasant educated neighbors who don't by into the east coast rat race or spashy oped wannabe journalism.

and face it, Trump is the Media's best marketing. once he's gone, they will not even have chumps like you clicking about.

Anonymous wrote:If everyone moves out of flyover country, you’re going to get awful damn hungry.

Don't be obtuse. Some farmers are needed, but they account for what, 1% of the flyover population? And with explosion of mechanized farming, low-skill flyover people are needed less and less. Folks need to move en masse where resources and modern jobs are more plentiful. Clinging to nostalgia is a waste of life.