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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Cornell is on Georgetown, Emory, WashU level. Brown and Dartmouth are Johns Hopkins, Northwestern level schools.

This is the issue with comparing schools at the undergraduate level.

Cornell far excels over Georgetown, Emory and WashU in engineering. Georgetown is very good for humanities/international relations. Emory and WashU aren't particularly known for anything other than their medical schools, which is very unrelated to undergraduates (versus graduate departments that have direct impact on undergrads through professors).

Not sure what "level" means here, but generally Brown and Dartmouth's association with the Ivies give them more national and international cachet - deserved or not - than Hopkins or Northwestern. For undergraduate humanities education, they tend to be stronger as well.

You are sorely, sorely mistaken if you think Brown and Dartmouth - Dartmouth, for God's sakes - has more "international cachet" than Hopkins or Northwestern.

My child will happily attend Dartmouth or Northwestern. They are BOTH top schools with international reputations. Who the hell cares if your kid goes to one or the other? Maybe one wants Northwestern's theatre program and the other wants Dartmouth's rural location. It's like comparing the best cherry pie to the best apple pie. Some like cherries and some like apples more, but they're both going to be delicious.

True but that reasonable approach does not contribute to the brawling popular on DCUM.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Cornell is on Georgetown, Emory, WashU level. Brown and Dartmouth are Johns Hopkins, Northwestern level schools.

This is the issue with comparing schools at the undergraduate level.

Cornell far excels over Georgetown, Emory and WashU in engineering. Georgetown is very good for humanities/international relations. Emory and WashU aren't particularly known for anything other than their medical schools, which is very unrelated to undergraduates (versus graduate departments that have direct impact on undergrads through professors).

Not sure what "level" means here, but generally Brown and Dartmouth's association with the Ivies give them more national and international cachet - deserved or not - than Hopkins or Northwestern. For undergraduate humanities education, they tend to be stronger as well.

You are sorely, sorely mistaken if you think Brown and Dartmouth - Dartmouth, for God's sakes - has more "international cachet" than Hopkins or Northwestern.

My child will happily attend Dartmouth or Northwestern. They are BOTH top schools with international reputations. Who the hell cares if your kid goes to one or the other? Maybe one wants Northwestern's theatre program and the other wants Dartmouth's rural location. It's like comparing the best cherry pie to the best apple pie. Some like cherries and some like apples more, but they're both going to be delicious.

And the you come to down sometimes to why a kid goes for this one or that one could be it was raining during the tour and the phone dropped and broke and this or that happened.

These rankings are so insipid, particularly when it comes to choosing an undergraduate destination, which is much of what this board seems to be about. The very things that make JHU a global research powerhouse kind of help make it a difficult undergrad environment - like faculty whose focus is their own research, and rightfully so because many of them draw their salary not from the university but from the research grants they earn

Brown has PhD programs but its institutional focus is undergrad instruction, to the point it was named #1 in that category by US News. It is impossible for any single ranking to capture the merit of any university when there are so many disparate parts - undergrad quality of life and teaching, faculty research in the hard sciences, faculty research in the humanities, professional schools, doctoral education, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Cornell is on Georgetown, Emory, WashU level. Brown and Dartmouth are Johns Hopkins, Northwestern level schools.

This is the issue with comparing schools at the undergraduate level.

Cornell far excels over Georgetown, Emory and WashU in engineering. Georgetown is very good for humanities/international relations. Emory and WashU aren't particularly known for anything other than their medical schools, which is very unrelated to undergraduates (versus graduate departments that have direct impact on undergrads through professors).

Not sure what "level" means here, but generally Brown and Dartmouth's association with the Ivies give them more national and international cachet - deserved or not - than Hopkins or Northwestern. For undergraduate humanities education, they tend to be stronger as well.

You are sorely, sorely mistaken if you think Brown and Dartmouth - Dartmouth, for God's sakes - has more "international cachet" than Hopkins or Northwestern.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, Cornell is on Georgetown, Emory, WashU level. Brown and Dartmouth are Johns Hopkins, Northwestern level schools.

This is the issue with comparing schools at the undergraduate level.

Cornell far excels over Georgetown, Emory and WashU in engineering. Georgetown is very good for humanities/international relations. Emory and WashU aren't particularly known for anything other than their medical schools, which is very unrelated to undergraduates (versus graduate departments that have direct impact on undergrads through professors).


Not sure what "level" means here, but generally Brown and Dartmouth's association with the Ivies give them more national and international cachet - deserved or not - than Hopkins or Northwestern. For undergraduate humanities education, they tend to be stronger as well.

Sir...we hope Cornell is better for engineering considered Emory and Georgetown don't have any engineering programs. What you don't want to admit is that being an ivy gives ivy schools a boost in the ranking that doesn't necessarily correspond with academic or student quality. Plenty of Cornell students will not get into Gtown, emory, WashU, and vise versa. The fact that non ivy schools are doing just as well or better than ivy schools without the ivy league "cachet" that you speak of means that the non ivy schools are in fact better.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy tiers:
T1: Harvard Yale Princeton
T2: Columbia Penn
T3: Brown Dartmouth Cornell

T1: Your Ass Which
T2: Is Where You Just Pulled
T3: Those Things From

Haiku is fun! Who's next?

Are you just upset

Because the other poster

Is telling the truth

I think it is ridiculous

Someone thinks this is

Insightful or valuable

I think you need to

Google exactly what a

Haiku is okay?

I think you have

entirely missed the point

yet again

Writing your response

On three lines does not make it

A haiku, Karen

I know that

but you continue to

miss the point


So I will explain it to you simply: Anyone who believes making tiers of ivies is useful, insightful, of special in any way is a fool. Typing those tiers on three lines like that does not make it artful in any way whatsoever. You missed that point again and again and again. Hopefully you won't anymore.

Not sure what made you

So incredibly uptight

Haiku was the point

nonsense

Anonymous wrote:Yes, Cornell is on Georgetown, Emory, WashU level. Brown and Dartmouth are Johns Hopkins, Northwestern level schools.

This is the issue with comparing schools at the undergraduate level.

Cornell far excels over Georgetown, Emory and WashU in engineering. Georgetown is very good for humanities/international relations. Emory and WashU aren't particularly known for anything other than their medical schools, which is very unrelated to undergraduates (versus graduate departments that have direct impact on undergrads through professors).

Not sure what "level" means here, but generally Brown and Dartmouth's association with the Ivies give them more national and international cachet - deserved or not - than Hopkins or Northwestern. For undergraduate humanities education, they tend to be stronger as well.

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Anonymous wrote:I have to say though that after going through the college process at our private HS, my respect for the ivies and the top schools (Duke) has dwindled. THe kids who got into these schools over the better students were the $$$$, connected, athletes and URM. And everyone pretends that there is nothing wrong. Of course you can get into Harvard even if you only graduate w a disctinction as your grandparents are worth over $1B. Of course you can get into Penn Wharton even graduating at the bottom of the class as you are an athlete.

Well, there are certainly some privileged kids who got into elite schools through the means you mentioned. But there are also many who got in without any connections or money. The question you have to ask is why them not your DC.

"Some"? 33% of Harvard students are legacy. Likely higher numbers at Yale, Dartmouth, etc.

And that's discounting that the non-legacies that do get in generally are from N.E. prep and boarding schools that cost $70,000 per year.

The middle/upper-middle class kids that get in are URM, unless they are prodigies in one way or another.

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy tiers:
T1: Harvard Yale Princeton
T2: Columbia Penn
T3: Brown Dartmouth Cornell

T1: Your Ass Which
T2: Is Where You Just Pulled
T3: Those Things From

Haiku is fun! Who's next?

Are you just upset

Because the other poster

Is telling the truth

I think it is ridiculous

Someone thinks this is

Insightful or valuable

I think you need to

Google exactly what a

Haiku is okay?

I think you have

entirely missed the point

yet again

Writing your response

On three lines does not make it

A haiku, Karen

I know that

but you continue to

miss the point


So I will explain it to you simply: Anyone who believes making tiers of ivies is useful, insightful, of special in any way is a fool. Typing those tiers on three lines like that does not make it artful in any way whatsoever. You missed that point again and again and again. Hopefully you won't anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy tiers:
T1: Harvard Yale Princeton
T2: Columbia Penn
T3: Brown Dartmouth Cornell

T1: Your Ass Which
T2: Is Where You Just Pulled
T3: Those Things From

Haiku is fun! Who's next?

Are you just upset

Because the other poster

Is telling the truth

I think it is ridiculous

Someone thinks this is

Insightful or valuable

I think you need to

Google exactly what a

Haiku is okay?

I think you have

entirely missed the point

yet again

Writing your response

On three lines does not make it

A haiku, Karen

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have to say though that after going through the college process at our private HS, my respect for the ivies and the top schools (Duke) has dwindled. THe kids who got into these schools over the better students were the $$$$, connected, athletes and URM. And everyone pretends that there is nothing wrong. Of course you can get into Harvard even if you only graduate w a disctinction as your grandparents are worth over $1B. Of course you can get into Penn Wharton even graduating at the bottom of the class as you are an athlete.

Well, there are certainly some privileged kids who got into elite schools through the means you mentioned. But there are also many who got in without any connections or money. The question you have to ask is why them not your DC.

Everyone is competing against those connected kids not unconnected private school kids. What does being at private school have to do with it?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ivy tiers:
T1: Harvard Yale Princeton
T2: Columbia Penn
T3: Brown Dartmouth Cornell

T1: Your Ass Which
T2: Is Where You Just Pulled
T3: Those Things From

Haiku is fun! Who's next?

Are you just upset

Because the other poster

Is telling the truth

I think it is ridiculous

Someone thinks this is

Insightful or valuable

I think you need to

Google exactly what a

Haiku is okay?

I think you have

entirely missed the point

yet again

Anonymous wrote:I have to say though that after going through the college process at our private HS, my respect for the ivies and the top schools (Duke) has dwindled. THe kids who got into these schools over the better students were the $$$$, connected, athletes and URM. And everyone pretends that there is nothing wrong. Of course you can get into Harvard even if you only graduate w a disctinction as your grandparents are worth over $1B. Of course you can get into Penn Wharton even graduating at the bottom of the class as you are an athlete.

Well, there are certainly some privileged kids who got into elite schools through the means you mentioned. But there are also many who got in without any connections or money. The question you have to ask is why them not your DC.