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Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

And? How on earth are you making this about Brent and ECE? Look at the thread title. This is about SH.

No one has suggested that Brent isn't an IB school or that it doesn't do ECE very well. What we have argued is that SH feeders are excelling in tested grades, and that those schools have feeder rights to SH, which is good for SH. Everything isn't about you!

Why don’t you double check the scores for Watkins and JO and try again.

I did, and Watkins matches Brent for 5th grade math, approaches Brent for 4th grade math (the delta is actually less than that between Brent and Maury) and is improving in ELA. Which is consistent with what we have been saying about trajectory. To be sure JO is not there yet, but it is moving in the right direction and there's a larger group of rising K and 1st that will be of testing age in two years.

But here's my question back to you: what do you get from taking shots at other schools? Besides the fact that the data doesn't say what you think it says. What is this knee jerk reaction from some Brent families that anyone else who is also excelling or improving must necessarily be taking something from or hurting Brent? Why do you think it is a zero sum game?

I have said before and I will say again, I believe there is a group of Brent families that live in fear of SH actually becoming what many of us hope it becomes. Is it because if that happens then (i) the pipe dream of DCPS coming running back to the warm embrace of Brent to "save SH" dies and (ii) the 4th wall of reality that protects you from having to face the reality that other schools and communities and cohorts are as smart or moneyed or sophisticated comes crashing down around you.

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Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

And? How on earth are you making this about Brent and ECE? Look at the thread title. This is about SH.

No one has suggested that Brent isn't an IB school or that it doesn't do ECE very well. What we have argued is that SH feeders are excelling in tested grades, and that those schools have feeder rights to SH, which is good for SH. Everything isn't about you!

NP, longtime Cluster family in the upper grades at Watkins, where nothin' much oozes "excelling" but the new renovation.

Would give a lot for a real neighborhood school like Brent or Maury for elementary, even if Jefferson Academy and Eliot-Hine never take off. SH doesn't appeal for many reasons. So, go ahead, boost on on ad nauseum. We know better and we're not buying it.

PS. You don't get to tell us what to post, lady.

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Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

And? How on earth are you making this about Brent and ECE? Look at the thread title. This is about SH.

No one has suggested that Brent isn't an IB school or that it doesn't do ECE very well. What we have argued is that SH feeders are excelling in tested grades, and that those schools have feeder rights to SH, which is good for SH. Everything isn't about you!

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Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

And? How on earth are you making this about Brent and ECE? Look at the thread title. This is about SH.

No one has suggested that Brent isn't an IB school or that it doesn't do ECE very well. What we have argued is that SH feeders are excelling in tested grades, and that those schools have feeder rights to SH, which is good for SH. Everything isn't about you!

Why don’t you double check the scores for Watkins and JO and try again.

I did, and Watkins matches Brent for 5th grade math, approaches Brent for 4th grade math (the delta is actually less than that between Brent and Maury) and is improving in ELA. Which is consistent with what we have been saying about trajectory. To be sure JO is not there yet, but it is moving in the right direction and there's a larger group of rising K and 1st that will be of testing age in two years.

But here's my question back to you: what do you get from taking shots at other schools? Besides the fact that the data doesn't say what you think it says. What is this knee jerk reaction from some Brent families that anyone else who is also excelling or improving must necessarily be taking something from or hurting Brent? Why do you think it is a zero sum game?

I have said before and I will say again, I believe there is a group of Brent families that live in fear of SH actually becoming what many of us hope it becomes. Is it because if that happens then (i) the pipe dream of DCPS coming running back to the warm embrace of Brent to "save SH" dies and (ii) the 4th wall of reality that protects you from having to face the reality that other schools and communities and cohorts are as smart or moneyed or sophisticated comes crashing down around you.

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Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

And? How on earth are you making this about Brent and ECE? Look at the thread title. This is about SH.

No one has suggested that Brent isn't an IB school or that it doesn't do ECE very well. What we have argued is that SH feeders are excelling in tested grades, and that those schools have feeder rights to SH, which is good for SH. Everything isn't about you!

Why don’t you double check the scores for Watkins and JO and try again.

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Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

And? How on earth are you making this about Brent and ECE? Look at the thread title. This is about SH.

No one has suggested that Brent isn't an IB school or that it doesn't do ECE very well. What we have argued is that SH feeders are excelling in tested grades, and that those schools have feeder rights to SH, which is good for SH. Everything isn't about you!

Anonymous wrote:+100. More than 70% of IB 5 year olds in the Brent District now attend for K. DCPS keeps these stats.

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Anonymous wrote:Famous last words. It's taken Brent 13 or 14 years of steady to change to keep most of the 4th graders for 5th. Almost everything is great in the early childhood years, K, maybe 1st and 2nd grades.

And now we arrive back where we began. It is indeed tough to retain kids into 5th when you have no MS path. Good luck with that, Brent.

Anonymous wrote:Famous last words. It's taken Brent 13 or 14 years of steady to change to keep most of the 4th graders for 5th. Almost everything is great in the early childhood years, K, maybe 1st and 2nd grades.

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Anonymous wrote:The Hill has no accepted boundaries, or certainly none that make sense for school zones.

Yes, the entire city is the Hill.

Go the RE forum, and discuss where retail is on the Hill. H Street NE will be mentioned by Hill defenders.

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Anonymous wrote:Improving, right, but, as has been said, turning SH into a Deal, or even a Hardy, is a 10-20 year project without Brent, Maury and SWS when it could have been a 3-5 year project.

Many of us on the Hill are fed up with losing dear friends to the burbs because Hill schools aren't attractive to most in-boundary families after elementary. Many of us feel that DCPS made a terrible mistake four years ago in refusing to respond to high local demand for a change in the Ward 6 middle school elementary-to-middle school feed situation.

I'm in-bounds for SH and won't enroll my child in a couple years on current trends, like most of our friends. Our children are well-behaved students who easily score 5s on both PARCC sections. Arguably, SH won't be better off without us.

Christ, it's been said by YOU about 1000 times on any SH related post. Give it a rest.

We got it -- you're going elsewhere. From your condescending tone alone I can promise you that you would not be missed at SH.

NP here and this is a real problem. You have tons of high SES parents IB for Hill schools opting out of DCPS because the middle school situation is a mess on the Hill. Some of those families are moving but many more are going to charters. DCPS could easily fix this by adjusting the feeder patterns and it’s so stupid that they refuse to do it.

Yes, it is. I'm going elsewhere, too, and haven't posted on other SH threads. Hundreds like us will in fact be missed at SH by any stakeholder with a thinking brain who cares about educating poor kids (um, all things being equal, poor kids don't do better without lots of higher SES classmates in their schools than they do with lots of high SES classmates in their schools).

I see even greater stupidity in how some IB Cluster parents defend the mess tooth and nail. Over the years, they've become their own worst enemies where Hill middle schools go.

The fact that YOU don't have feeder rights to SH doesn't a "mess"make. Brent isn't the only IB school with high SES, you obnoxious self centered "me-monster". And as the numbers actually show, LT and other SH feeders are improving (and in some cases outpacing Brent). While the number of OOB lottery spots matching in the lottery is falling to near zero. So the fact that you want to believe nothing is changing doesn't mean nothing is changing.

As others have said, and contrary to your belief, you will in fact not be missed.

New to this thread. Brent's scores drop (by Brent standards - which are higher than DCPS's and LT's) in 5th because so many families leave for Latin or Basis.

Which is really what all of this is about. Honestly, even if they could get into SH, Basis and Latin are better anyway. And THAT is what Hill families wanted. DCPS didn't deliver on rigor and quality so charters stepped in and filled a need. Now they offer something better than what DCPS has to offer. Ultimately, it's DCPS's and the Cluster's loss.

Where to begin.

What on earth does it mean to say that Brent's standards are higher than LT's or DCPS? The numbers aren't adjusted for Brent families; you get that right? They are the same for all schools, and LT's scores are higher, and not just in 4th (see below). Why do you assume non-Brent families don't want exceptional outcomes? Is your premise that the poors and dark people accept less good outcomes because they neither know better nor want to improve those outcomes? And how do you think things improve? The only thing better than self centered a-holes with superiority complexes is when they expose their ignorance while espousing those world views.

Brent's scores aren't higher than LT's in 5th or in 4th. I know that Brent parents like to use the "kids leaving in 5th" excuse, but the data doesn't lie. Repeating a falsehood with conviction doesn't make it any truer. I even pasted the scores in a prior post. Take a look; the LT kids outperform your kids.

Why do you think that Latin and Basis are by-right schools for Brent? And why do you think that Latin is mostly Brent; it isn't. That data is public too.

Follow along, my dear. This isn't a DCPS vs Charter discussion. If I thought you had the capacity I'd accuse you of trolling. But I'm betting you sincerely think your comment contributes to the discussion here. It is not as "charters stepped in to solve the problem". Setting aside the gross oversimplification, it does nothing to advance how we get from where we are to improved outcomes. If you think things are set in stone and nothing can and will change then, with all do respect, go somewhere else and let the adults talk. I vehemently disagree with many of the Brent posters. And I object to the veiled racism of some. But it feels to me at least like even those families truly desire to improve outcomes. I just happen to disagree with how they think that is accomplished. You, on the other hand, are a child who screams "charters" and thinks education on the Hill is a static concept.

There is no magic bullet that takes a school from poor to great overnight. I know Brent parents think the inclusion of your kids will accomplish that, but it won't. The path is improved educational outcomes for kids that are there, which in turn yields buy-in from younger kids and IB families, which in turn feeds MS. LT/JO/Peabody families used lottery into Maury because it was an objectively better school. Those families wanted to invest in their IB schools, but there was another Hill school with objectively better educational outcomes. As that school became more IB, those families were willing to give their IB a try. And as educational outcomes improve those families commit. The challenge in talking to people like you is that you seem to ignore data unless it confirms your belief. Just look at your post! You incorrectly state that Brent is better in 4th and only outperformed in 5th. That just isn't so.

No one is arguing that SH is superior to Deal or Latin right now. The issue is whether the trajectory of the feeders and SH itself portent positive things. Many of us think it does. And that is in the absence of you and your Brent friends, not all of whom are going to Latin or Basis (which, by the way, works 100% through their WL and is not a viable curriculum for many kids.)

We get it. You live OOB and want to preserve the pipeline to SH for OOB kids. Some of us want neighborhood schools. We can agree to disagree.

That makes zero sense. How does one preserve OOB for a school with IB preference? And how could you possibly have taken that from all that has been written in this forum? Where did anyone argue against neighborhood schools? I've expended an insane amount of energy trying to talk sense into those of you who see no value or improvement in SH and the feeders. Help me to understand how supporting and defending these schools is designed to keep IB families out? The irony here is fools like you who talk about wanting neighborhood schools but proudly yell about how your kids don't go to IB schools. Go back to yoga.

I note that you don’t deny that you’re OOB.

Few things:
1. IB for SH.
2. Would never have occurred to me to even mention it because as has been said by other posters, you are delusional for having concocted a conspiracy theory where OOB families with zero right to LT or SH somehow crowd out IB families who need only walk into the office and register. By all means explain it.
3. Far from begrudging the OOB population, I appreciate that many of them were willing to commit to the feeders at a time when I, and my neighbors, were not. And because of them my kid has a path and my house is worth more today than it was a decade ago. And when enough IB families enroll then those OOB families will no longer be in attendance, not even sibling preference.

You remind me of an unemployed person who doesn't want to take a job beneath her but sits at her table complaining about immigrants and transplants taking jobs...jobs you would never in a million years want. Maybe you don't understand by-right and IB and the lottery? Seriously. Just reply and let us know and we can explain it to you.