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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Uh, ok? You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet. Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something? Because the world is going to move on without your approval. You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits? How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas? Alaskan Highway drive? No so convenient to charge now.

Obviously electric cars are not great for long trips. Most people do not have to drive more than 30 miles per day. I grew up in a rural area and we could reach all the places we needed within 40 miles. Which a car with a 240 mile range can handle. My husband actually works in several sites throughout Maryland and is able to take the electric car to all of them. It has saved us a lot in gas $$$.

And see that's the problem here (and what I suspected). Most people ON THE EAST COAST don't have to drive more than 30 miles a day IF they live your sort of lifestyle. The WEST coast, Middle America, very different. Think outside your own experiences/lifestyles and you might begin to understand why the electric car is not yet a practical alternative for America. Even my very liberal husband says the technology and lifestyle has a long way to go before the technology can become relied-upon for the average individual.

Yes, we understand. That is why electric cars are terribly unpopular in Oregon, Washington and California. If only those Western States had incentives and a charging infrastructure! If only there were hybrid alternatives, which combined the advantage of an electric engine with the ultility of gasoline! If only there existed some kind of service, where people could hire long-range cars for the three times a year they drove to Grandma's, instead of being forced to get 20mpg the entire year just so they could make it from SLC to Needles, CA. If only.

Thank you, light in the wilderness, for exposing tbis dilemma in such sharp relief. Obviously, we can only have electric OR gas-powered vehicles. Obviously, like you, who suffers driving your Ford Flex alone 98% of the time just to be able to ferry the soccer team once a month, we must all drive gas cars all the time, everywhere, so the ranchers in Butte don't feel left out.

So your solution is for everyone to be forced to drive an electric car and hire long-range cars (perhaps they are on a budget and can't afford that expense?)

If I buy a Ford, it's going to be an F-150 or similar, though I'd consider a hybrid truck of any kind. Because, Skippy, I have a business where I need to be able to actually large objects in my vehicle. And your dismissal of the 'ranchers in Butte' shows your disdain for anyone who isn't like you. I'm going to say you are a liberal lawyer, or other type of professional, and most likely a federal worker or government contractor. Furthermore, you probably live in DC or MD, perhaps Arlington.

Your attempt at biting sarcasm also shows me you are unable to consider any other lifestyle than your own as even remotely worth pursuing.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the 'tarians even use those socialist roads? Don't they understand the goobermint wants them to???

Drive on the sidewalk, ponyboy. All the way from Utah to Nevada. Where there are no sidewalks... There's your freedom.

Take a look at the Constitution. It references roads. Idiot.

Not so much public schools, by the way. Do the locals give you back your tax dollars towards the publics when they fail your child and you pull them out to put them in private or other? Nope.

Sarcasm is so often lost on the weak-minded and dim. It might not be the public schools failing your child, btw.

Ah, leftism. Gotta love it. You weren't being sarcastic - you honestly had no idea that the Constitution references roads. Furthermore, you probably have no idea that the Constitution specifically states anything not reference in it falls to the state and locals, where the people get an actual vote regarding the expenditure of their tax dollars. That's by design. Which is why you see those extra questions on ballots in elections that specifically reference state and local issues.

I do understand the publics don't teach this anymore. It's rather sad actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the 'tarians even use those socialist roads? Don't they understand the goobermint wants them to???

Drive on the sidewalk, ponyboy. All the way from Utah to Nevada. Where there are no sidewalks... There's your freedom.

Take a look at the Constitution. It references roads. Idiot.

Not so much public schools, by the way. Do the locals give you back your tax dollars towards the publics when they fail your child and you pull them out to put them in private or other? Nope.

Sarcasm is so often lost on the weak-minded and dim. It might not be the public schools failing your child, btw.

Ah, leftism. Gotta love it. You weren't being sarcastic - you honestly had no idea that the Constitution references roads. Furthermore, you probably have no idea that the Constitution specifically states anything not reference in it falls to the state and locals, where the people get an actual vote regarding the expenditure of their tax dollars. That's by design. Which is why you see those extra questions on ballots in elections that specifically reference state and local issues.

I do understand the publics don't teach this anymore. It's rather sad actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the 'tarians even use those socialist roads? Don't they understand the goobermint wants them to???

Drive on the sidewalk, ponyboy. All the way from Utah to Nevada. Where there are no sidewalks... There's your freedom.

Take a look at the Constitution. It references roads. Idiot.

Not so much public schools, by the way. Do the locals give you back your tax dollars towards the publics when they fail your child and you pull them out to put them in private or other? Nope.

Sarcasm is so often lost on the weak-minded and dim. It might not be the public schools failing your child, btw.

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Uh, ok? You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet. Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something? Because the world is going to move on without your approval. You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits? How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas? Alaskan Highway drive? No so convenient to charge now.

Obviously electric cars are not great for long trips. Most people do not have to drive more than 30 miles per day. I grew up in a rural area and we could reach all the places we needed within 40 miles. Which a car with a 240 mile range can handle. My husband actually works in several sites throughout Maryland and is able to take the electric car to all of them. It has saved us a lot in gas $$$.

And see that's the problem here (and what I suspected). Most people ON THE EAST COAST don't have to drive more than 30 miles a day IF they live your sort of lifestyle. The WEST coast, Middle America, very different. Think outside your own experiences/lifestyles and you might begin to understand why the electric car is not yet a practical alternative for America. Even my very liberal husband says the technology and lifestyle has a long way to go before the technology can become relied-upon for the average individual.

Yes, we understand. That is why electric cars are terribly unpopular in Oregon, Washington and California. If only those Western States had incentives and a charging infrastructure! If only there were hybrid alternatives, which combined the advantage of an electric engine with the ultility of gasoline! If only there existed some kind of service, where people could hire long-range cars for the three times a year they drove to Grandma's, instead of being forced to get 20mpg the entire year just so they could make it from SLC to Needles, CA. If only.

Thank you, light in the wilderness, for exposing tbis dilemma in such sharp relief. Obviously, we can only have electric OR gas-powered vehicles. Obviously, like you, who suffers driving your Ford Flex alone 98% of the time just to be able to ferry the soccer team once a month, we must all drive gas cars all the time, everywhere, so the ranchers in Butte don't feel left out.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do the 'tarians even use those socialist roads? Don't they understand the goobermint wants them to???

Drive on the sidewalk, ponyboy. All the way from Utah to Nevada. Where there are no sidewalks... There's your freedom.

Take a look at the Constitution. It references roads. Idiot.

Not so much public schools, by the way. Do the locals give you back your tax dollars towards the publics when they fail your child and you pull them out to put them in private or other? Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Uh, ok? You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet. Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something? Because the world is going to move on without your approval. You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits? How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas? Alaskan Highway drive? No so convenient to charge now.

Do you think gas stations somehow predated the automobile, and no one ever had to take long distances between fuel stops into account for cross-country trips at the dawn of the automobile age?

You can fuel up in under 5 minutes. Not so at this point with an electric car. I can also put a gallon or two in a portable container and take it along. Can I take a spare battery and change it up in the amount of time it takes to pour that container in my tank?

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Uh, ok? You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet. Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something? Because the world is going to move on without your approval. You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits? How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas? Alaskan Highway drive? No so convenient to charge now.

Obviously electric cars are not great for long trips. Most people do not have to drive more than 30 miles per day. I grew up in a rural area and we could reach all the places we needed within 40 miles. Which a car with a 240 mile range can handle. My husband actually works in several sites throughout Maryland and is able to take the electric car to all of them. It has saved us a lot in gas $$$.

And see that's the problem here (and what I suspected). Most people ON THE EAST COAST don't have to drive more than 30 miles a day IF they live your sort of lifestyle. The WEST coast, Middle America, very different. Think outside your own experiences/lifestyles and you might begin to understand why the electric car is not yet a practical alternative for America. Even my very liberal husband says the technology and lifestyle has a long way to go before the technology can become relied-upon for the average individual.

Anonymous wrote:Why do the 'tarians even use those socialist roads? Don't they understand the goobermint wants them to???

Drive on the sidewalk, ponyboy. All the way from Utah to Nevada. Where there are no sidewalks... There's your freedom.

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Uh, ok? You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet. Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something? Because the world is going to move on without your approval. You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits? How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas? Alaskan Highway drive? No so convenient to charge now.

Do you think gas stations somehow predated the automobile, and no one ever had to take long distances between fuel stops into account for cross-country trips at the dawn of the automobile age?

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Anonymous wrote:It won't matter what stupid, short sighted Trump voters think in regard to fracking, coal and domestic oil production in general soon. Solid state batteries promise 3 times the energy capacity that currently powers most electric cars (ie range of over 400 miles), weather protection from -50 to 150 degrees, non-combustibility, non-corrosive leaching like with liquid batteries, and minutes or seconds of required charging rather than hours. https://news.utexas.edu/2017/02/28/goodenough-introduces-new-battery-technology

Toyota has just noted they'll release a solid state battery car with two years, Volvo said their going all electric by 2019. We'll also start to see short trip autonomous electric driverless airplanes and cars soon. Basically, the writing is on the wall for oil. Of course you'll still see gas car for the next 20 years, but electric tech is ramping up so quickly every manufacturer wants a piece. You idiots who are all about drill baby drill just don't read enough. That's your problem. That and your support for an absolutely inept, toddler with a small hands complex.

That's when you get my buy-in. If I'm driving up to Cape Cod, for instance, I have no desire to spend hours at rest stops charging my car. Even at 15 minute charge per 200 miles now, there would have to be a hell of a large amount of charging stations. Even with no wait to charge, you are adding almost 3/4 hour to my trip, just to charge. I have a truck and can get up to the Cape by only filling the tank once along the way.

Eventually you will go to a charging station to swap your battery out for a charged one, not sit there and charge your car. That’s the model Tesla is working towards at least.

I've heard that but the question is, who's doing it? In NJ, you can't pump your own gas. As a result, the lines are always long at the rest areas and it takes over 1/2 hour in line to get gas, due to slow worker performance. In addition? I'm relying on an attendant to change my battery properly and get back onto the road? Not sure how comfortable I am with that.

Uh, ok? You obviously have reservations about a technology that hasn’t even appeared yet. Are you at a high level at one of these companies or something? Because the world is going to move on without your approval. You can buy gas cars for as long as they’re available.

My guess is you are mostly a city/burbs driver. Ever driven from LA to Phoenix where you are 90 miles between exits? How about through parts of Utah, New Mexico or Texas? Alaskan Highway drive? No so convenient to charge now.

Obviously electric cars are not great for long trips. Most people do not have to drive more than 30 miles per day. I grew up in a rural area and we could reach all the places we needed within 40 miles. Which a car with a 240 mile range can handle. My husband actually works in several sites throughout Maryland and is able to take the electric car to all of them. It has saved us a lot in gas $$$.

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They're not less efficient. Do you work for an oil lobby, or are you just so chuffed and obsessed that it makes you a sad panda?

Huh, let's compare the price, including production of a gallon of gas as opposed to your "energy free batteries", I think you'll find that per mile cost that the internal combustion engine wins out every time.

The electricity comes from the grid, same place as the electricity that powers that 8j square foot monstrosity you can't afford and don't live in, but aspire to. It eats you up inside, doesn't it, that your house and car aren't large enough to offset your other shortcomings? You're so deprived. We have solar panels too, offsetting quite a bit of the power... AND the main commercial charger I use says it's wind-powered.

Naw, you plug your Tonka toy into the same power grid like every one else does, it's powered by coal and if your lucky gas.

We have solar panels too, offsetting quite a bit of the power... AND the main commercial charger I use says it's wind-powered.

And yet, wind is about as efficient as solar (if not less), never mind you need to sell back the energy to your local electric company, and BTW, where did those solar panels get built?
Probably China, the most polluting country in the world.

Thing is, when I'm sitting in traffic, I'm not making the air worse. When you're sitting in traffic, you're inwardly weeping for how sad your life has become, while hoping desperately that all the women around you notice your car.

Yeah, you are, you want zero emission, yet fail to understand basic production principals.
You'll crow about 87 miles to the gallon, while ignoring the 35 plants it took to build your battery (look it up) and electrical system (lots of copper as an example), all while thinking youre a friend of the enviorment.

Colbalt and lithium come from South America. Africa. Battery will be recycled at the end of its utility in a car. I don't care )

Ah, the same South Africa that is so racist that it's killing White farmers to socialize agriculture?

Once the smart people of all colors leave, then where is your battery God?

And as I said before, show me where your batteries are being recycled rather than destroyed.

And South America?

Are you really promoting slave labor wages for your vaginal equivalent of a mood ring?

Or do you really think they are getting paid minimum wage?