Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think we should reference the position of pro-abortion & anti-abortion. Instead of pro-choice/pro-life.

Just because I am pro-choice, it does not imply that I am not pro-life.

I think that's inaccurate. The vast, vast majority of pro-choicers are not advocating abortion, or trying to push it onto women who want to have babies. They want women to have the choice. Whether that choice is abortion is up to the woman at issue.

I prefer the terms pro-choice/anti-choice.

Yes, this more accurately describes the central point of the debate.

Exactly! I'm pro-choice (as in women MUST have a choice), but personally - I hope I would never have to make that choice, for whatever reason.

Original PP again. Even better I agree that he term pro/anti-choice is even more accurate. Thanks for pointing this out. I will start referring to pro-lifers as anti-choicest.

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Anonymous wrote:Lets look at the statistics.

- In 2013, unmarried women accounted for 85.2% of all abortions (CDC).

- Women in their 20s accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates (CDC).

- Adolescents under 15 years obtained .03% of all 2013 abortions; women aged 15–19 years accounted for 11.4% (CDC).

Why do you think this is happening? Why are unmarried women who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

- The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).

Women in metropolitan areas are generally well off...so rich unmarried young women are having the most abortions...is this not frivolous?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

So...rich young unmarried women are having abortions not because of fetal problems or health issues but because they are "too immature" to raise a child. Wow.

source: http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics

Let me rephrase:

In 2013, unmarried couples or women who had sex with men, who were also present at the time, accounted for 85.2% of all abortions

Women in their 20s who either were dating men or had sex with men, accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates

Why are unmarried women and men who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

I mean, you realize men are part of this equation right? But noooooooo. It's only women having sex? With themselves? And spontaneously having children. Interesting perspective you have here.

Exactly!!! The only real life women I've known who fall into these categories outside of rape/incest/health of mother or baby who had abortions did so at the behest of their MALE partners, who did not want the responsibility of fatherhood. These women were coerced through threats and emotional abuse to have abortions. So, what is your answer to that?

If abortion was made illegal except for cases due to life of mother or life of baby, whose life would be more important? If carrying the baby to term will kill the mother, but save the baby- whose life do you save?

Anonymous wrote:Lets look at the statistics.

- In 2013, unmarried women accounted for 85.2% of all abortions (CDC).

- Women in their 20s accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates (CDC).

- Adolescents under 15 years obtained .03% of all 2013 abortions; women aged 15–19 years accounted for 11.4% (CDC).

Why do you think this is happening? Why are unmarried women who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

- The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).

Women in metropolitan areas are generally well off...so rich unmarried young women are having the most abortions...is this not frivolous?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

So...rich young unmarried women are having abortions not because of fetal problems or health issues but because they are "too immature" to raise a child. Wow.

source: http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics

So what would you do about the bolded then? For the sake of argument, assume that birth control was used to the extent possible. For example, most of the people "done having children" likely were using BC, whereas that obviously wouldn't apply to rape cases.

I'm legitimately curious about why you keep willfully ignoring these categories.

Anonymous wrote:Lets look at the statistics.

- In 2013, unmarried women accounted for 85.2% of all abortions (CDC).

- Women in their 20s accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates (CDC).

- Adolescents under 15 years obtained .03% of all 2013 abortions; women aged 15–19 years accounted for 11.4% (CDC).

Why do you think this is happening? Why are unmarried women who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

- The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).

Women in metropolitan areas are generally well off...so rich unmarried young women are having the most abortions...is this not frivolous?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

So...rich young unmarried women are having abortions not because of fetal problems or health issues but because they are "too immature" to raise a child. Wow.

source: http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics

OMG, you're such a prude!

Abstinence never worked as birth control
Sex education with affordable birth control are much more reliable way to reduce number of unplanned pregnancies, if goal is to reduce number of abortions, not just shame and punish women for having sex for pleasure, and not to procreate.
But again, conservatives are happy to ditch both, education and birth control

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biology puts babies in mother's bodies so they will have the greatest chance of survival. We are not penguins. If you have an abortion you are killing your baby.

So what? Is is my choice. I'll pay for my sins when it's time. If you don't like it - adopt that baby or STFU

You are so classy. You're the reason the women's march was so well respected.

It was admired and respected around the world. The only people who didn't respect it hate women anyway!

Yeah the people who had a problem with it were the same ones who were fine with p*ssy grabbing so I'm not that concerned with their opinion

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biology puts babies in mother's bodies so they will have the greatest chance of survival. We are not penguins. If you have an abortion you are killing your baby.

So what? Is is my choice. I'll pay for my sins when it's time. If you don't like it - adopt that baby or STFU

You are so classy. You're the reason the women's march was so well respected.

It was admired and respected around the world. The only people who didn't respect it hate women anyway!

Anonymous wrote:Accidents happen. And if you already have all the children you can (for financial, mental health, quality of life reasons) then it's your body and your life and you should get to choose.

Personally, I became pregnant when I had an IUD (used one since I was 18), a 7 yo, 4 yo, and 6 month old baby. We had our family and had agonized over whether to go for 3, never mind 4.

I was a 37 year old professional woman who had been married for 10 years and had a stable income and relationship. No extreme circumstances. We did not feel we could manage another child.

I had an abortion. I am thankful I had that choice about my body, my family, my life. I do not regret it 3 years later and never have done. I 100% wish I never got pregnant. Of course. But I did.

I got pregnant over 3 years after my husband's vasectomy, which had been successful until... it wasn't. And I was shockingly pregnant despite all our plans and efforts not to be. We ended up having the baby and have no regrets about that but I am absolutely grateful that the choice exists for those situations and others. People like to pretend birth control is infallible and if you're pregnant it's because you didn't use it but that's not true. Birth control fails, IUDs fail, vasectomies fail. I now have my tubes tied and trust me, I do not take it for granted that that can't too fail. The second a pro lifer finds out her IUD didn't work and she's now pregnant against her life's plans and wishes is when the rubber really meets the road and you get decide how much of your talk you're really willing to walk.

Anonymous wrote:Lets look at the statistics.

- In 2013, unmarried women accounted for 85.2% of all abortions (CDC).

- Women in their 20s accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates (CDC).

- Adolescents under 15 years obtained .03% of all 2013 abortions; women aged 15–19 years accounted for 11.4% (CDC).

Why do you think this is happening? Why are unmarried women who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

- The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).

Women in metropolitan areas are generally well off...so rich unmarried young women are having the most abortions...is this not frivolous?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

So...rich young unmarried women are having abortions not because of fetal problems or health issues but because they are "too immature" to raise a child. Wow.

source: http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics

Let me rephrase:

In 2013, unmarried couples or women who had sex with men, who were also present at the time, accounted for 85.2% of all abortions

Women in their 20s who either were dating men or had sex with men, accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates

Why are unmarried women and men who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

I mean, you realize men are part of this equation right? But noooooooo. It's only women having sex? With themselves? And spontaneously having children. Interesting perspective you have here.

P.S.
Those that vehemently oppose abortion should adopt a child domestically or become suitable foster parents.

I agree that people opposed to abortion tend to only care about the child before the child is born.

Then after the child enters the world, they tend to vilify the parent(s) over social services an unexpected child may require.

They complain about their tax dollars being spent on welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, Section 8 Housing & WIC.

Plus it is unethical to bring more unplanned children into the world when we do not have enough resources to provide for them.

All those that vehemently are opposed to abortion need to start putting their money where their mouths are.

Abortion is a social issue.
Not a religious one.

Shelter, food, clothing, education + decent healthcare are fundamental RIGHTS for each and every child....Whether that child was planned or not.
These things should be automatically bestowed on every child who enters this world.

These should never be considered mere life privileges.

Abortion is now at it's lowest rate since Roe v. Wade. Why?

Because the ACA provided access to birth control.

So of course Republicans want to gut that. Republicans just have an unhealthy Madonna/whore type of relationship with sex.

Anonymous wrote:Lets look at the statistics.

- In 2013, unmarried women accounted for 85.2% of all abortions (CDC).

- Women in their 20s accounted for the majority of abortions in 2013 and had the highest abortion rates (CDC).

- Adolescents under 15 years obtained .03% of all 2013 abortions; women aged 15–19 years accounted for 11.4% (CDC).

Why do you think this is happening? Why are unmarried women who are presumably not in any condition to raise a child having sex, careless sex?

- The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).

Women in metropolitan areas are generally well off...so rich unmarried young women are having the most abortions...is this not frivolous?

In 2004, the Guttmacher Institute anonymously surveyed 1,209 post-abortive women from nine different abortion clinics across the country. Of the women surveyed, 957 provided a main reason for having an abortion. This table lists each reason and the percentage of respondents who chose it.
<0.5% Victim of rape
3% Fetal health problems
4% Physical health problems
4% Would interfere with education or career
7% Not mature enough to raise a child
8% Don't want to be a single mother
19% Done having children
23% Can't afford a baby
25% Not ready for a child
6% Other

So...rich young unmarried women are having abortions not because of fetal problems or health issues but because they are "too immature" to raise a child. Wow.

source: http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics

So...your argument is that young, unmarried women, who by their own admission are not ready to have a child...should have children?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Biology puts babies in mother's bodies so they will have the greatest chance of survival. We are not penguins. If you have an abortion you are killing your baby.

So what? Is is my choice. I'll pay for my sins when it's time. If you don't like it - adopt that baby or STFU

You are so classy. You're the reason the women's march was so well respected.

You do realize that after you put Trump into office "classy" is no longer relevant.

I had a medical abortion for an ectopic pregnancy. After my tube ruptured, and I started hemorrhaging and was rushed into emergency surgery at midnight. And you would think that that is the clearest example of a necessary abortion, since an ectopic pregnancy is never viable, and will kill you if not removed. And I was already in over my head with two babies under the age of three, and using an IUD, so as reliable as BC gets and not being careless (an IUD is also prone to cause ectopic pregnancies when it fails). So, it was not a wanted pregnancy. And yet, I cried every day for weeks about losing the baby. I still cry 10 years later about it. I simultaneously imagine having a ten year old little girl and am so relieved I did not have to add another child to my family, because it would have been taking on too much. But I probably would have carried the pregnancy if I had the option. I am so thankful I didn't have to make that decision.

Why is abortion personal for women? Because it is often not black or white. Even when the decision is obvious, we have mixed feelings. Because there are few "good" abortions, and because there can be grey areas. Because most women are not careless with human life. And because every woman and every situation is different. Because people should be entitled to time and space to process complex emotional situations. And because everyone feels entitled to have an opinion and judge another woman's choices.