Anonymous
01/28/2017 19:50
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
I dunno- where is the scene of Helen choking Noah during sex, and him being obviously distressed and sobbing afterwards? Where is Cole being raped against a tree? Where is the straw men's rights activist character who later chalks his beliefs up to an uncontrollable desire to screw Helen?
Maybe start there?
NP, I would say that these critiques are entirely different from PP's double-standard application of the terms "whores," "shrews," and "doormats" above.
But I would still argue that the portrayal of Noah as a repeated rapist is not evidence that the show is biased against women. And I would also ask what it means that the sex scene was very different from Helen's point of view. So what really happened?
She wasn't calling them whores, shrews, or doormats- she was saying they fit into misogynistic caricatures of ideas of women. And I agree. It's unfortunate that the show seems, this season in particular, to take a kind of "men's rights activist" idea of women. All the nuance in previous seasons seems to have vanished.
Thank you. That's exactly what I was saying, and pretty clearly too. I don't think some posters are up to comprehending the difference.
Anonymous
01/28/2017 19:43
Subject: Re:The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:I don't think Noah had the affair due to a brain tumor. I think he had the affair because he found someone he could "save" and it stoked his ego mightily. I don't think he ever loved Helen. I do think he used her and demonized her. I do wonder, however, why he is going so over the deep end now. Did he have a mental break in prison? I would like to know why he is having these issues.
Spoiler alert - so it does not surprise me in the least that he cut his own neck. I am surprised the hospital/cops couldn't figure that out based on the angle that he cut himself, or at least thought it was a possibility. Did he really call the police that time and say it was Gunther? That would have made him seem unhinged. It's like he transferred everything bad that he thought about himself onto a punishing Gunther character. I am kind of annoyed about the possibility that he killed him mom v. the euthanasia angle. I feel like they JUST introduced the mercy killing angle (what, two episodes ago?) and turned completely on the dime so I guess he is a murderer for real?
I thought that was really interesting too. He didn't call the police - remember the French professor found him on his kitchen floor and she called 911. He didn't know who stabbed him as he couldn't remember being stabbed - but he did recollect "seeing" John Gunther, which he has been doing a lot.
For me, this is by far the most interesting aspect of the whole season. I am intrigued by how "bad" John Gunther really is. How much was inference, how much did Noah actually experience or just hallucinate.
Also its possible to hallucinate as a result of depression - and certainly a long time in solitude would qualify for that. No brain tumors necessary, lol.
Anonymous
01/24/2017 07:00
Subject: Re:The Affair Season3
I don't think Noah had the affair due to a brain tumor. I think he had the affair because he found someone he could "save" and it stoked his ego mightily. I don't think he ever loved Helen. I do think he used her and demonized her. I do wonder, however, why he is going so over the deep end now. Did he have a mental break in prison? I would like to know why he is having these issues.
Spoiler alert - so it does not surprise me in the least that he cut his own neck. I am surprised the hospital/cops couldn't figure that out based on the angle that he cut himself, or at least thought it was a possibility. Did he really call the police that time and say it was Gunther? That would have made him seem unhinged. It's like he transferred everything bad that he thought about himself onto a punishing Gunther character. I am kind of annoyed about the possibility that he killed him mom v. the euthanasia angle. I feel like they JUST introduced the mercy killing angle (what, two episodes ago?) and turned completely on the dime so I guess he is a murderer for real?
Spoiler alert - so it does not surprise me in the least that he cut his own neck. I am surprised the hospital/cops couldn't figure that out based on the angle that he cut himself, or at least thought it was a possibility. Did he really call the police that time and say it was Gunther? That would have made him seem unhinged. It's like he transferred everything bad that he thought about himself onto a punishing Gunther character. I am kind of annoyed about the possibility that he killed him mom v. the euthanasia angle. I feel like they JUST introduced the mercy killing angle (what, two episodes ago?) and turned completely on the dime so I guess he is a murderer for real?
Anonymous
01/23/2017 18:03
Subject: The Affair Season3
Thoughts on yesterday's episode? I haven't like a single Noah episode yet, but I did like this one.
I like Vic/Vik so I hope he and Helen work it out. Now that she confessing to people, I wonder what will happen. Will she eventually tell Scotty's mom? Go to the police?
I liked the validation that Noah has been hallucinating about Brendan Fraser. Makes me wonder if he's had a brain tumor all along. That's why he had the affair. Or is the show going to end with this all being a hallucination of his and we end up back at the opening scene at the Lobster Roll?
I like Vic/Vik so I hope he and Helen work it out. Now that she confessing to people, I wonder what will happen. Will she eventually tell Scotty's mom? Go to the police?
I liked the validation that Noah has been hallucinating about Brendan Fraser. Makes me wonder if he's had a brain tumor all along. That's why he had the affair. Or is the show going to end with this all being a hallucination of his and we end up back at the opening scene at the Lobster Roll?
Anonymous
01/22/2017 07:13
Subject: Re:The Affair Season3
This misogynist discussion is so in line with the show to me. It's like we are all at French professor's table!
I am a PP who thinks everyone but Luisa and French professor are depicted as crappy people overall. I kind of feel like its an equal opportunity depiction of some pretty egregious behavior overall. Noah seems to be the worst of the lot, to me, but there's enough crappiness to go around!
Side note - I feel like there's no theme to this season. Season one dealt with the affair, season two the death of Scotty/affair fallout, and what's the theme of this season? Noah's descent into a hallucinatory hole?
I am a PP who thinks everyone but Luisa and French professor are depicted as crappy people overall. I kind of feel like its an equal opportunity depiction of some pretty egregious behavior overall. Noah seems to be the worst of the lot, to me, but there's enough crappiness to go around!
Side note - I feel like there's no theme to this season. Season one dealt with the affair, season two the death of Scotty/affair fallout, and what's the theme of this season? Noah's descent into a hallucinatory hole?
Anonymous
01/21/2017 23:03
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
I dunno- where is the scene of Helen choking Noah during sex, and him being obviously distressed and sobbing afterwards? Where is Cole being raped against a tree? Where is the straw men's rights activist character who later chalks his beliefs up to an uncontrollable desire to screw Helen?
Maybe start there?
NP, I would say that these critiques are entirely different from PP's double-standard application of the terms "whores," "shrews," and "doormats" above.
But I would still argue that the portrayal of Noah as a repeated rapist is not evidence that the show is biased against women. And I would also ask what it means that the sex scene was very different from Helen's point of view. So what really happened?
She wasn't calling them whores, shrews, or doormats- she was saying they fit into misogynistic caricatures of ideas of women. And I agree. It's unfortunate that the show seems, this season in particular, to take a kind of "men's rights activist" idea of women. All the nuance in previous seasons seems to have vanished.
Anonymous
01/21/2017 22:57
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
I dunno- where is the scene of Helen choking Noah during sex, and him being obviously distressed and sobbing afterwards? Where is Cole being raped against a tree? Where is the straw men's rights activist character who later chalks his beliefs up to an uncontrollable desire to screw Helen?
Maybe start there?
NP, I would say that these critiques are entirely different from PP's double-standard application of the terms "whores," "shrews," and "doormats" above.
But I would still argue that the portrayal of Noah as a repeated rapist is not evidence that the show is biased against women. And I would also ask what it means that the sex scene was very different from Helen's point of view. So what really happened?
Anonymous
01/21/2017 21:09
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
I dunno- where is the scene of Helen choking Noah during sex, and him being obviously distressed and sobbing afterwards? Where is Cole being raped against a tree? Where is the straw men's rights activist character who later chalks his beliefs up to an uncontrollable desire to screw Helen?
Maybe start there?
Anonymous
01/21/2017 20:34
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
oh I think you are taking it way too seriously. Its just a badly written show which uses stereotypes and cliches, both male and female. It just happens that this thread was talking about how hateful a lot of the women are on the show and that is how we got here.
Its really not compelling or complex enough to warrant an argument. And seeing as you can't "discuss" you should probably take your issues elsewhere.
Lol. I love when posters like you get called out for not knowing what you are talking about, and then you try to pretend you weren't in the wrong. Seems it's you who should move on as you cannot rationally defend your "point".
-NP
Anonymous
01/21/2017 20:27
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
oh I think you are taking it way too seriously. Its just a badly written show which uses stereotypes and cliches, both male and female. It just happens that this thread was talking about how hateful a lot of the women are on the show and that is how we got here.
Its really not compelling or complex enough to warrant an argument. And seeing as you can't "discuss" you should probably take your issues elsewhere.
Anonymous
01/21/2017 18:50
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
So you would also say that this show is deeply misandric?
Anonymous
01/21/2017 18:48
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Would you like me to post a definition of "double standard?"
Why is the portrayal of women in this show misogynistic when men are portrayed as equally flawed? If both Allison and Noah are portrayed as "whores," where is the misogyny? If both Cole and Helen's mother are portrayed as doormats, again, where is the misogyny?
Anonymous
01/21/2017 17:43
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
I was talking about "misogyny". I'm sure Noah is a whore, but he's not female. Do you want me to post a definition of "misogynistic" for you?
Anonymous
01/20/2017 19:54
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
Great points.
+1
Anonymous
01/20/2017 19:40
Subject: The Affair Season3
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I agree, it is deeply misogynistic. What about Helen's mother - the ultimate door mat who accepts back her cheating husband when he's dumped by his gf.
Its all horrible really. Each woman fits into a classic cliche : Shrews (Helen & Louisa), whores (Allison & French lady and her students), doormats (Esposito and Helen's mom).
And that wasn't the first rape we've seen. Season 1 - Noah's perspective of the sex Allison and Cole have outside their house against the car.
And Jennifer Esposito is so wasted in this show. She should be a lead character.
What, what? Why are Juliette and her students "whores?" Why is Nina a doormat?
For that matter, why is Allison a "whore" but Noah isn't? Why is Helen's mother a doormat, but not Cole--who would have taken back Allison at any time, regardless of how she has treated him?
Great points.