Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

YY does have some work to do. I'm a little surprised at ITS as well.

Anonymous wrote:And after the test scores were reavealed and this lengthy discussion happened, which HRCS or DCPS would you pick for your child if you could go anywhere and could have a house anywhere in DC?

Thanks for getting this thread back on track! I'm sticking with my IB. It may not have the mind-blowing scores that some schools have, but it is on the rise and not too shabby. I'm pleasantly surprised to learn that our IB is doing as well as some of the more sought after DCPS and charters. There's a lot to celebrate for both DCPS and charters but clearly there are things that need to be worked on. It's not cool for any school to be in the single digits in % proficiency in math or ELA.

Anonymous wrote:And after the test scores were reavealed and this lengthy discussion happened, which HRCS or DCPS would you pick for your child if you could go anywhere and could have a house anywhere in DC?

You should start a new thread for this--I'd chime in.

And after the test scores were reavealed and this lengthy discussion happened, which HRCS or DCPS would you pick for your child if you could go anywhere and could have a house anywhere in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Sorry, Oyster scores are not in the 80s for any grade, for either math or ELA. Their best scores are for fifth grade 75/56 as compared to YY 5th graders 69/73. Overall OA scores are 60/54, which aint much to write home about either.

YY's FARMS rate is nearly half that of Oysters. YY's scores are the ones that need some serious explaining.

No, Oyster's FARMS rate is more than double that of YYs.

Anonymous wrote:I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

You just made my point. YY's FARMS rate is the lowest by far--it's in the single digits! All of these other schools have double-digit poverty rates; most of them reach into the 20-30% range. YY also also has some of the lowest ELL and Spec. Ed. rates. Based on those facts, YY should out score all of those schools, including Oyster. Clearly, it does not.

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Anonymous wrote:Not inspired by ITS's scores, and I say that as a long time parent. 25/18 for AA kids may be better than the DC average, but it is awful. 62/62 for white kids is quite poor also, especially compared to WOTP white scores, e.g., 81/84 at Key.

I want my bright child challenged and lifted by a room full of smart kids. Sadly, it looks like I've been kidding myself about ITS.

You assume that your "bright child" is not being enriched based on test scores? You picked the wrong school if that's the metric you care about.

How does she know her kid isn't the dumb kid bringing the scores down.

Ha! She seems rather adamant that her kid nailed the PARCC.

NP. S/he could have a child that took PARCC the year before and did 4/5 and is expecting same results this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Sorry, Oyster scores are not in the 80s for any grade, for either math or ELA. Their best scores are for fifth grade 75/56 as compared to YY 5th graders 69/73. Overall OA scores are 60/54, which aint much to write home about either.

YY's FARMS rate is nearly half that of Oysters. YY's scores are the ones that need some serious explaining.

Me too.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Sorry, Oyster scores are not in the 80s for any grade, for either math or ELA. Their best scores are for fifth grade 75/56 as compared to YY 5th graders 69/73. Overall OA scores are 60/54, which aint much to write home about either.

I don't know what y'all are quibbling about. I would be very pleased if our school had those scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Sorry, Oyster scores are not in the 80s for any grade, for either math or ELA. Their best scores are for fifth grade 75/56 as compared to YY 5th graders 69/73. Overall OA scores are 60/54, which aint much to write home about either.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Meh, they taught your kid enough to get into private school.

I think you shoud look deeper than just FARMS.

ELL/Special Ed/Economically Disadvantaged %s

CMI: 5.5/33.7/22.7
LAMB: 37.7/12.3/24.6
MV: 20.8/7.4/32.9
YY: 5.9/8.3/9.5
ITS: 4.4/12.3/18.3

Oyster: 12.9/12.0/20.8

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Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.

Glad you've found a school that works better for you.

Anonymous wrote:Haven't they spent only half the amount of time in English as all the other children their age? Mandarin and English don't even share an alphabet. The cognitive benefits of a second language have been well established, however it takes until approximately 5th grade for some of that to begin to show up on standardized tests.

Give me a break. Oyster-Adams ELA scores are in the 80s for all grades. My YY kid scored a 5 on ELA last year (we've moved on to a private). The cognitive benefits of a 2nd language don't do a lot for Americans who can't read or write English to a high standard. English instruction at YY isn't too hot, and neither is Mandarin. Knock yourself out at home to compensate and you're "a tiger parent." Things should change.