Anonymous
08/03/2016 21:09
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what we do know:
She had signs of prior molestation
Whoever wrote the ransom note had intimate knowledge of the Ramsey's bonus the year prior
No signs of an intruder - no steps in the snow, no disturbance of dust or spiders
Weird coldness between the spouses. Hostility from day one against the police.
Pineapple in JonBenet's stomach that probably came from the house
JonBenet was dead when they put the tape over her mouth
The ransom note came from a notepad in the house.
The only fingerprints on the door came from the parents.
To me it seems that the parents (at least one) did it.
She had signs of vaginal trauma, which looked staged to the investigator.
Apparently there were also signs of older sexual abuse.
Patsy had run JonBenet to the doctor (I read somewhere that it was over 30 times) so JonBenet had something going on with her physically. Just what that was I'm not clear on.
munchausen?
Anonymous
08/03/2016 20:36
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here is what we do know:
She had signs of prior molestation
Whoever wrote the ransom note had intimate knowledge of the Ramsey's bonus the year prior
No signs of an intruder - no steps in the snow, no disturbance of dust or spiders
Weird coldness between the spouses. Hostility from day one against the police.
Pineapple in JonBenet's stomach that probably came from the house
JonBenet was dead when they put the tape over her mouth
The ransom note came from a notepad in the house.
The only fingerprints on the door came from the parents.
To me it seems that the parents (at least one) did it.
She had signs of vaginal trauma, which looked staged to the investigator.
Apparently there were also signs of older sexual abuse.
Patsy had run JonBenet to the doctor (I read somewhere that it was over 30 times) so JonBenet had something going on with her physically. Just what that was I'm not clear on.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 20:27
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Here is what we do know:
She had signs of prior molestation
Whoever wrote the ransom note had intimate knowledge of the Ramsey's bonus the year prior
No signs of an intruder - no steps in the snow, no disturbance of dust or spiders
Weird coldness between the spouses. Hostility from day one against the police.
Pineapple in JonBenet's stomach that probably came from the house
JonBenet was dead when they put the tape over her mouth
The ransom note came from a notepad in the house.
The only fingerprints on the door came from the parents.
To me it seems that the parents (at least one) did it.
She had signs of vaginal trauma, which looked staged to the investigator.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 20:19
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
So, mom/ dad did it?
Anonymous
08/03/2016 19:20
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
By AJ WILLINGHAM
CNN
It’s easy to feel a little sad for Mark Beckner, the former Boulder, Colorado, police chief and Reddit newbie who did an Ask Me Anything segment this weekend, unaware that his answers were accessible to the entire world.
Beckner was the police chief during the JonBenet Ramsey case. Six-year-old beauty queen JonBenet was found murdered in the basement of her home in 1996. The case, full of lurid twists and turns, gripped the nation and made her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, into celebrities as well as persons of interest in the case.
Despite suspicions, the Ramseys were exonerated in 2008 after DNA evidence pointed to an unknown male unrelated to the Ramsey family. Boulder District Attorney Mary Lacy even wrote a letter to the family apologizing for any pain caused by a suggestion of involvement in the crime.
To this day it is still unclear who killed the little girl.
On Reddit, Beckner’s responses shed a lot of light on some of the more complex and questionable parts of the case. However, he later told the Boulder-based Daily Camera newspaper that he had misgivings about the online chat, calling it a “misunderstanding and naivete on my part.”
Since Beckner’s comments have been deleted, it’s impossible to link to individual responses, but all of his answers can be found in a cached version of the thread at http://extras.denverpost.com/jonbenetAMA.html.
Though Beckner may regret the AMA, Reddit users were impressed with his candor, and we still learned some really interesting things from his answers:
Beckner: “We know from the evidence she was hit in the head very hard with an unknown object, possibly a flashlight or similar type item. The blow knocked her into unconsciousness, which could have led someone to believe she was dead. The strangulation came 45 minutes to two hours after the head strike, based on the swelling on the brain. While the head wound would have eventually killed her, the strangulation actually did kill her. The rest of the scene we believe was staged, including the vaginal trauma, to make it look like a kidnapping/assault gone bad.”
Beckner: “I have avoided saying who I believe is responsible and let the facts speak for themselves. There are several viable theories.”
Context: The day JonBenet was found dead, her mother Patsy claimed she found a 2.5-page handwritten ransom note in their home, demanding $118,000 for JonBenet’s return. The police later determined the note was written on paper from a notebook in the Ramseys’ house. The Ramseys underwent handwriting analysis to determine whether they could have written the note. John Ramsey’s sample seemed to show he didn’t write it, but Patsy Ramsey’s sample was labeled “inconclusive” and police at the time said they would pursue “unrehearsed” samples to examine. However, in the letter to John Ramsey, District Attorney Mary Lacy mentioned that she did not consider anyone in Ramsey’s immediate family to be under any suspicion in the commission of the crime.
Q: “When Patsy wrote out the sample ransom note for handwriting comparison, it is interesting that she wrote “$118,000” out fully in words (as if trying to be different from the note). Who writes out long numbers in words? Does this seem contrived to you?”
Beckner: “The handwriting experts noted several strange observations.”
Beckner: “The FBI told us they’d never seen a 2.5 page ransom note.”
“No note has ever been written at the scene, and then left at the scene with the dead victim at the scene, other than this case.”
Context: The investigation was plagued with claims the crime scene at the Ramseys’ house was not preserved properly, and that unauthorized individuals were allowed to move about the crime scene while the investigation was in progress.
Beckner: “Yes, the crime scene was not handled properly and this later affected the investigation. [The Ramseys’] position in the community may have had something to do with decisions made that day, but I think the primary reason was a perfect storm-type scenario. It was the Christmas holiday and we were short staffed, we faced a situation as I said earlier that no one in the country had ever seen before or since, and there was confusion at the scene… As a result, some evidence was compromised.”
“Yes, after that initial day, we felt pressure from the DA’s office not to push too hard on the Ramseys. This was a constant source of frustration and much could be written about this and the reasons for it.”
Context: A 1999 grand jury report indicated there was reason to believe JonBenet was “sexually assaulted.” Details from an autopsy and comments from some experts, including one cited in a 1997 Vanity Fair article indicated the girl had abnormal genital injuries or conditions that could suggest sexual contact of some sort prior to the day of her death.
Beckner: “It just didn’t seem to fit the totality of the circumstances. Remember, she was hit on the head first, hard enough to render her unconscious. Then there was the staging of a kidnapping. Why do that if the motive is purely sexual?”
Context: John Mark Karr was a father and teacher residing in Thailand who, in 2006, claimed he was sexually involved with JonBenet at the time of her death and that her killing was accidental. However, DNA tests confirmed he was not a match to DNA found in the girl’s underwear, and there was no reason to believe he was anywhere near the scene.
Beckner: “My gut reaction was that [District Attorney] Mary Lacy did not know the facts of the case and was making a big mistake. His confession, once they shared it with us, did not match the evidence at the scene. After she asked for our help in proving he did it, we knew in about 18 hours he was not the guy. We were able to confirm he was not even in Colorado at the time by just doing some routine checking and then obtained photos of him in Georgia at the time. The DNA test, which she thought would prove he did it, proved her wrong.”
Beckner: “For me, it actually helped propel me to the chief’s position once Tom Koby left. It also gave me some credibility in the community based on a different approach I took with the media. I was more open and forthcoming with the media and I think that helped.”
Beckner: “The media attention and the intrigue of a good murder mystery attracts lots of people. Add a small beauty queen and it only intensifies the interest. If only 1% of the population is crazy, in our country alone that would mean there are about 3,600,000 crazy people out there wanting to give us their wacky ideas.”
Anonymous
08/03/2016 19:19
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Here is what we do know:
She had signs of prior molestation
Whoever wrote the ransom note had intimate knowledge of the Ramsey's bonus the year prior
No signs of an intruder - no steps in the snow, no disturbance of dust or spiders
Weird coldness between the spouses. Hostility from day one against the police.
Pineapple in JonBenet's stomach that probably came from the house
JonBenet was dead when they put the tape over her mouth
The ransom note came from a notepad in the house.
The only fingerprints on the door came from the parents.
To me it seems that the parents (at least one) did it.
She had signs of prior molestation
Whoever wrote the ransom note had intimate knowledge of the Ramsey's bonus the year prior
No signs of an intruder - no steps in the snow, no disturbance of dust or spiders
Weird coldness between the spouses. Hostility from day one against the police.
Pineapple in JonBenet's stomach that probably came from the house
JonBenet was dead when they put the tape over her mouth
The ransom note came from a notepad in the house.
The only fingerprints on the door came from the parents.
To me it seems that the parents (at least one) did it.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 18:20
Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Who do we think had been molesting JB?
Anonymous
08/03/2016 18:09
Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I think this is the least likely theory. I also don't think the brother did it because he wouldn't have been able to keep his trap shut. At some point he would have told someone and he sure as heck wouldn't be going on tv about it next month. I straight up don't think the dad was molesting her. If it was a family member it was an accident that they covered up but I'm not sure it was a family member. Someone could have been hiding in or near their house for days. It was a busy time of year with people coming and going and that seems more likely to me.Anonymous wrote:NP. I always suspected the dad. I figure he'd been putting his hands on/ in the kid for awhile, and the mom at least had some idea about it but chose to look the other way (much like Sandusky's wife). Dad was molesting her the night she died, she thretened to tell a teacher or coach or whatever, he got mad and bashed her head in and used the garrote--which he already had and had probably used with her previously--to finish the job. He told his wife and said he'd throw her under the bus if she didn't help him cover it up. Mom went along with it because she knew there was no way she'd stand a chance in court if the dad turned on her.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:47
Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
NP. I always suspected the dad. I figure he'd been putting his hands on/ in the kid for awhile, and the mom at least had some idea about it but chose to look the other way (much like Sandusky's wife). Dad was molesting her the night she died, she thretened to tell a teacher or coach or whatever, he got mad and bashed her head in and used the garrote--which he already had and had probably used with her previously--to finish the job. He told his wife and said he'd throw her under the bus if she didn't help him cover it up. Mom went along with it because she knew there was no way she'd stand a chance in court if the dad turned on her.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:40
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:I can't wrap my head around a family member (presumably parent) making a garrote to kill her, when she could have survived the head wound.
She probably looked like she was dead and may have had too weak a pulse by the time her parents found her to detect since it could have been anywhere between 45 minutes up to two hours before she was strangled.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:39
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:I can't wrap my head around a family member (presumably parent) making a garrote to kill her, when she could have survived the head wound.
Oh okay, I see. The only way my theory works is if JB appeared dead post-head wound. I don't think that whoever made the garrote thought she was still alive when they strangled her.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:30
Subject: Who did you think killed JonBenet?
I can't wrap my head around a family member (presumably parent) making a garrote to kill her, when she could have survived the head wound.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:19
Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think that Burke killed her accidentally and then the parents (or possibly just Patsy) staged the crime scene. That's the idea that makes the most sense to me when I consider all the facts we know here (which aren't that many to begin with).
I agree. The fact that it's so bizarre, head trauma then strangulation at a later point, suggests the lack of logic or panic a kid might experience upon realized she wasn't actually dead the first time. Even down to the curiosity about her private parts. I also believe the parents would have covered it up.
No way did a 9 year old do that.
Yeah she was garroted. No way a 9 year old a) knows what a garrot is, b) can create one and c) use it with the force it was used on JonBenet.
First PP here. I didn't say that the brother made the garrote, I actually don't think that he did. I think he hit her with the flashlight and then the parents, thinking she was already dead, made the garrote to stage the crime scene. Just my opinion.
Although this makes sense to me, I can't wrap my mind around the garrote that actually killed her.
I think the parents went to bed and then the kids went back downstairs (during which time JB ate the pineapple), got into a fight and her hit her with the flashlight.
You can't wrap your head around the fact that a garrote was created or that the garrote played a part in killing her?
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:12
Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think that Burke killed her accidentally and then the parents (or possibly just Patsy) staged the crime scene. That's the idea that makes the most sense to me when I consider all the facts we know here (which aren't that many to begin with).
I agree. The fact that it's so bizarre, head trauma then strangulation at a later point, suggests the lack of logic or panic a kid might experience upon realized she wasn't actually dead the first time. Even down to the curiosity about her private parts. I also believe the parents would have covered it up.
No way did a 9 year old do that.
Yeah she was garroted. No way a 9 year old a) knows what a garrot is, b) can create one and c) use it with the force it was used on JonBenet.
First PP here. I didn't say that the brother made the garrote, I actually don't think that he did. I think he hit her with the flashlight and then the parents, thinking she was already dead, made the garrote to stage the crime scene. Just my opinion.
Although this makes sense to me, I can't wrap my mind around the garrote that actually killed her.
I think the parents went to bed and then the kids went back downstairs (during which time JB ate the pineapple), got into a fight and her hit her with the flashlight.
Anonymous
08/03/2016 17:07
Subject: Re:Who did you think killed JonBenet?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
However, many parents have hurt their children out of mental illness, drug addition, frustration to the point where the child dies, then lies to authorities that it was an accident:
http://www.wonderslist.com/10-mothers-who-killed-their-kids/
Or kids die in due to negligence and the adult lies to cover it up:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/06/world/americas/canada-snake-deaths/
Right, that's the opposite of what we're talking about. Of course people lie and say intentional crimes were accidents. But do they do the opposite? Come upon an accident and then murder the victim and stage a sexual assault/kidnapping scene?
That is the theory some people are discussing. That a child was accidentally injured (by her brother, for example). The mom upon discovering this injury (which was not fatal) did not seek medical attention but instead wrongly decided to declare her child dead, strangle her, and stage a sexual assault. She goes from a loving mother who provided her children with medical attention to murdering her injured child. I would be interested in a proven case where someone goes from discovering an accident to staging an actual murder.
Doesn't mean someone in the house - or perhaps someone connected - didn't do it. Just that of all the scenarios, accidental cover up for another child seems the most unlikely.
I think you have the theory wrong. It isn't that brother accidentally killed her. He intended to hurt her, and unintentionally killed her. Not the same as an accident as all.