Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:42     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Where are all the legitimate, well rounded, published critiques, authored by nonpartisan reviewers? I've looked around and haven't found any.

As for HRC getting endorsements, rest assured these leaders are playing politics. I'm a diehard progressive, and I'm ready for action. Bernie makes sense.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:40     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm an American with German, French, and Canadian family, by marriage and extended. Many immigrants to these countries from elsewhere, so came to these nations from elsewhere (about half from oppressive communist countries). Guess what. They're doing well. Health care, child care, family leave, wages, education... They thrived. I received sad looks of condolence when I returned to work after 9 weeks post c section after baby 1, and considered quitting work after baby 2. My description of our college savings plans were met with gasps: HOW much does university cost??? When foreign grandparents got cancers or heart disease, their health care was covered, period. How bad is that life? Not bad at all...


Are you familiar with Medicare? The elderly are covered here too and have been for decades.


No exactly. I still work and pay $503 a month for Medicare, $2,023 a year or supplemental coverage and $53.00 monthly for drug coverage. My doctor will not accept Medicare, so I pay him out of pocket. How is this free?

You must have a very high income. I pay $105 a month for Medicare, $109 a month for Blue Cross supplemental coverage, and $35 a month for a Blue Cross RX plan. I go to the Mayo system which accepts Medicare and with my supplement I have no out of pocket expenses, not deductible or co-pays. Prescriptions however do have a deductible.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:31     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:The fundamental problem is that we really don't have a decent choice when it comes to a nominee for the Democratic party.

Sanders is a very principled and honest person but he may not be effective and Hillary is unprincipled and dishonest though she may be more effective.

Hardly a choice for most liberals.

Well, the liberal groups with the most effective track records themselves - Human Rights Campaign, Planned Parenthood, League of Conservation Voters, etc. Sierra Club - have endorsed Hillary, so I'm going with her. Effective works for me.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:27     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:Clintons campaign tactic is now fearmongering. She can't impugn Sanders's character or most of his ideas or even assertions. Thus is the best " negative campaigning" her team can come up with. Ha.

And,yes, congress is corrupt. Everyone knows that.

If Congress is corrupt, why has Bernie served in it for 25 years?

Clinton's criticisms are strictly of Sanders' policies. It's not fearmongering to point out the vast problems with Bernie's healthcare plan, for example.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:27     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
The fundamental problem is that we really don't have a decent choice when it comes to a nominee for the Democratic party.

Sanders is a very principled and honest person but he may not be effective and Hillary is unprincipled and dishonest though she may be more effective.

Hardly a choice for most liberals.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:24     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
I don't support him because he will give us free stuff. I support him because it seems like he's the only one who is even willing to take a chance against the banks and large corporations running the show in politics.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:23     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The original poster said healthcare was covered for older relatives living outside the states

Second poster said Medicare covered elderly

I inferred from first poster that"covered" meant free

I inferred from second poster that " covered" meant free

Medicare s not "covered," it is costly.


But that is why a some people support Bernie. He gives the perception that he will give them free stuff....

His supports are largely lower middle and those currently living in poverty. Of course that segment of American would support him. :FREE" STUFF!!!


Sounds like the Republican criticism of Democrats generally.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:21     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How can Sanders not have found at least one Senator who will endorse him??? http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/


Pretty simple: he was not seen as the ultimate nominee and those in Congress do not want to take a chance and endorse him thereby offending the Clintons if she does end up winning the nomination and the general. The Clintons are known to have a long memory and don't forgive those who go against them.


Or rather, he has never compromised on any issue and therefore doesn't have any political allies. A man who sticks to his morals is great. Unless is it directly hampers his ability to forge partnerships and get things done.


It's both that Bernie lacks the skills to run a government any bigger than Burlington, Vermont AND the Clintons are VERY powerful people.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:20     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:The original poster said healthcare was covered for older relatives living outside the states

Second poster said Medicare covered elderly

I inferred from first poster that"covered" meant free

I inferred from second poster that " covered" meant free

Medicare s not "covered," it is costly.


But that is why a some people support Bernie. He gives the perception that he will give them free stuff....

His supports are largely lower middle and those currently living in poverty. Of course that segment of American would support him. :FREE" STUFF!!!
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:15     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Single-payer Medicare-for-All is actually quite fiscally conservative at its core because it is a measure that would save us millions in healthcare expenditures in the long-term. The ACA was supposed to be the stepping stone to prep America for what nationalized healthcare would look like. I think Sanders has it right.


What will happen to all the health insurance companies and their employees?


Do we still have switchboard operators? No.

We didn't get out of the stone age because we ran out of stone. It would not be the crisis that you want to make it out to be.


I think the heath insurance industry to much stronger and more powerful than the switchboard operators unions ever were.....
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:14     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How can Sanders not have found at least one Senator who will endorse him??? http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/


Pretty simple: he was not seen as the ultimate nominee and those in Congress do not want to take a chance and endorse him thereby offending the Clintons if she does end up winning the nomination and the general. The Clintons are known to have a long memory and don't forgive those who go against them.

As in, Obama?


Remember Bill Richardson who decided to endorse Obama?
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 12:11     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Clintons campaign tactic is now fearmongering. She can't impugn Sanders's character or most of his ideas or even assertions. Thus is the best " negative campaigning" her team can come up with. Ha.

And,yes, congress is corrupt. Everyone knows that.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 11:52     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How can Sanders not have found at least one Senator who will endorse him??? http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/


Pretty simple: he was not seen as the ultimate nominee and those in Congress do not want to take a chance and endorse him thereby offending the Clintons if she does end up winning the nomination and the general. The Clintons are known to have a long memory and don't forgive those who go against them.

As in, Obama?

I know. But come now. Don't go throwing facts at the conspiracy theorist.
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 11:51     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Wowsers. The NYT talked to the economist who ran the numbers for Bernie. She asked how, for example, physician costs can really be lowered by nearly 11%. The reporter writes,

He couldn’t say with certainty. “The pleasure of being an academic is I can just spell things out and leave the details to others,” he said. “The details very quickly get very messy."


This the guy whose numbers the plan is based on.

Full story here:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/20/upshot/for-now-bernie-sanderss-health-plan-is-more-of-a-tax-plan.html?smid=tw-upshotnyt&smtyp=cur&_r=0&referer=
Anonymous
Post 01/19/2016 11:47     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How can Sanders not have found at least one Senator who will endorse him??? http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-endorsement-primary/


Pretty simple: he was not seen as the ultimate nominee and those in Congress do not want to take a chance and endorse him thereby offending the Clintons if she does end up winning the nomination and the general. The Clintons are known to have a long memory and don't forgive those who go against them.

As in, Obama?