Anonymous
Post 05/08/2015 10:02     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
D B Cooper PP here. I predict the series will end with Don on a plane, handing the stewardess a note. Not my idea (I read it) but I think it would be BRILLIANT.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2015 08:45     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:Did anyone else notice the repeated and really striking visuals of Don looking out the window in his new office -- and he is looking down at the drop? He also did it in the conference room, and he looks up at the airplane in his car.

Is Weiner just toying with us? I was thinking "He really is going to take a dive out that window."


No. Weiner explained in an article recently that the "falling out the window" is not literal. It is in the guy-sitting-in-the-chair's head. It is more about being overwhelmed and needing direction.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2015 06:12     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question...Why did Don leave the meeting? Was it because he saw the plane and immediately thought of Diane and wanted to see her, or was it something else that I missed?


I think he left because he realized he was one of many on the campaign, no longer unique. Business is more rigid there, everyone had notebooks and pens. It was completely different than where he came from, where he was top dog and could speak off the cuff.


there's more to it than that. The guy's approach--McCann's approach--is just what Don has always hated--research-based, bringing people down to their consumer choices. Don has always seen people as the products of their hpopes and dreams, and advertising as tapping into what people don't know or can't admit they want. ("Finally, something beautiful you can truly own") His pitches have never, ever, been about what other things the target audience owns.


Agreed. You can see that both Don and Roger are lost at McCann, which is the triumph of computer-based, consumer-research driven advertising by committee rather than the instinctive intuitive creative process (fueled by alcohol) that is highly dependent on the personal charisma of the head creative agency man selling it. The question is will Peggy make this jump? She's very good at focus groups. But she trained under Don to do highly creative campaigns and not statistical research.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2015 06:02     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Did anyone else notice the repeated and really striking visuals of Don looking out the window in his new office -- and he is looking down at the drop? He also did it in the conference room, and he looks up at the airplane in his car.

Is Weiner just toying with us? I was thinking "He really is going to take a dive out that window."
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2015 05:04     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question...Why did Don leave the meeting? Was it because he saw the plane and immediately thought of Diane and wanted to see her, or was it something else that I missed?


I think he left because he realized he was one of many on the campaign, no longer unique. Business is more rigid there, everyone had notebooks and pens. It was completely different than where he came from, where he was top dog and could speak off the cuff.


there's more to it than that. The guy's approach--McCann's approach--is just what Don has always hated--research-based, bringing people down to their consumer choices. Don has always seen people as the products of their hpopes and dreams, and advertising as tapping into what people don't know or can't admit they want. ("Finally, something beautiful you can truly own") His pitches have never, ever, been about what other things the target audience owns.


No, it WAS the approach that Don has always used. The way the guy was pitching it was just like Don would. He was talking about who this beer drinker was, what he feels, what he wants. The guy was telling a story like Don would. That was classic Don. And Don realized he was looking at another version of himself. There were even more clones of him sitting around the table, all taking notes in sync.

Read PP's link about DB Cooper. Fascinating stuff.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 22:46     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Here is an article about what pp is talking about

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/06/did-this-woman-predict-mad-men-s-ending-two-years-ago.html

I don't think he will be DB Cooper, but I think that is the last we saw of "Don Draper" I think he is starting over with another identity.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 22:34     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Just caught up. I think I'm leaning toward Don being DB Cooper, which is an obscure but longstanding known theory in Mad Men fan circles.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 16:37     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question...Why did Don leave the meeting? Was it because he saw the plane and immediately thought of Diane and wanted to see her, or was it something else that I missed?


I think he left because he realized he was one of many on the campaign, no longer unique. Business is more rigid there, everyone had notebooks and pens. It was completely different than where he came from, where he was top dog and could speak off the cuff.


there's more to it than that. The guy's approach--McCann's approach--is just what Don has always hated--research-based, bringing people down to their consumer choices. Don has always seen people as the products of their hpopes and dreams, and advertising as tapping into what people don't know or can't admit they want. ("Finally, something beautiful you can truly own") His pitches have never, ever, been about what other things the target audience owns.


Yeah, I just think the whole atmosphere at McCann is at logger heads with the work he has been doing, off the cuff and under his own authority and as you say, based on hopes and dreams not marketing statistics. He just wasn't interested in hanging around and was more interested in finding Diana and doing something else.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 14:29     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Question...Why did Don leave the meeting? Was it because he saw the plane and immediately thought of Diane and wanted to see her, or was it something else that I missed?


I think he left because he realized he was one of many on the campaign, no longer unique. Business is more rigid there, everyone had notebooks and pens. It was completely different than where he came from, where he was top dog and could speak off the cuff.


there's more to it than that. The guy's approach--McCann's approach--is just what Don has always hated--research-based, bringing people down to their consumer choices. Don has always seen people as the products of their hpopes and dreams, and advertising as tapping into what people don't know or can't admit they want. ("Finally, something beautiful you can truly own") His pitches have never, ever, been about what other things the target audience owns.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 13:14     Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've been thinking all week about Joan's storyline from this last episode. I actually felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, watching and listening to the misogyny she was subjected to, especially the scene with Ferg when he's practically licking his lips at the thought of a business trip together, and then, totally amazing, her scene with the head guy (Hobart?) in his office. She is absolutely stunning. I love that they've written in a good man for her during this most difficult stretch of her work-life.


I hope he's a good man. We really know absolutely zero. He's basically an extended one night stand who lives on another coast.


More than that, he is a selfish, pleasure seeking older man who has no time for kids or work issues. Hardly ideal.


+1, unfortunately.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 12:07     Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've been thinking all week about Joan's storyline from this last episode. I actually felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, watching and listening to the misogyny she was subjected to, especially the scene with Ferg when he's practically licking his lips at the thought of a business trip together, and then, totally amazing, her scene with the head guy (Hobart?) in his office. She is absolutely stunning. I love that they've written in a good man for her during this most difficult stretch of her work-life.


I hope he's a good man. We really know absolutely zero. He's basically an extended one night stand who lives on another coast.


More than that, he is a selfish, pleasure seeking older man who has no time for kids or work issues. Hardly ideal.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 09:51     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:I couldn't really make sense of the preview for this weekend's episode. It looked like Sally and/or her friends are targeting Pete for some kind of sexual escapade. I can only imagine the potential fallout if that's the case.


Don't try to make sense of the previews. They're specifically designed not to give away anything of what really happens.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 09:46     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
I couldn't really make sense of the preview for this weekend's episode. It looked like Sally and/or her friends are targeting Pete for some kind of sexual escapade. I can only imagine the potential fallout if that's the case.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 09:33     Subject: Re:Mad Men - the final count down
Anonymous wrote:I've been thinking all week about Joan's storyline from this last episode. I actually felt like I'd been punched in the stomach, watching and listening to the misogyny she was subjected to, especially the scene with Ferg when he's practically licking his lips at the thought of a business trip together, and then, totally amazing, her scene with the head guy (Hobart?) in his office. She is absolutely stunning. I love that they've written in a good man for her during this most difficult stretch of her work-life.


+ 3

This one w/her stayed with me even more so than the the one with Jaguar. After the Jaguar ep. I would talk to my husband everyday about how I wish Joan hadn't done that like she was a real friend. To have the guts to even stand up for herself w/these sleezeballs at McCann is remarkable. I want her to be happy and I agree what do we know about Richard and his leisure suits a la Mr. Furley 2.0?
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2015 07:08     Subject: Mad Men - the final count down
I feel really sad about what happened to Joan at the new place. I hope it turns out to be a triumph for her: she gets to either do something else amazing or she goes off and enjoys her money and her son/new beau. It was a real bummer, though.

The Diana thing was annoying.

It's interesting to see Betty going back to school and having a goal. She was always a jerk, but now at least she will feel more fulfilled and hopefully happier.