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Typical "Jeffism". Sure I clicked on the link. And saw the quote. I even moved back a page and forward a page. But it did not explain to me why PP thought that Kyle was a bloodthirsty killer.

I posted a youtube video of an interview Kyle did with O'Reilly, which helps to provide the context I was looking for, without having to read the whole book.

Interestingly enough, PP resorted to name calling and insults instead of defending his position.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

No it would not. Those are the words. Without reading the book, I would not know the context, nor would I know Kyle's frame of mind. Neither does the PP. Who is judging Kyle. My guess is PP has not read the autobiography. Have you?

I've seen enough of Kyle's interviews to know that the picture of Kyle liberals like PP paint is completely inconsistent with the man I heard speaking. That is the reasons for my questions.

The link is to the book. The actual book. It is to the page of the book on which the quote is printed. You cannot get more in context than that. Again, simply clicking on the link would save you -- and me -- a lot of typing.

Context, meaning what he was referring to, where he specifically was, etc. when he was speaking those words. Was he referring to a mother with her little children? Old Iraqi men? Or those that were trying to kill him and those he was hired to protect? Words on a page are simply that. They only mean something when they are context:

con·text
?käntekst/
noun
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
"the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
synonyms: circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, setting More
the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
"word processing is affected by the context in which words appear"

I don't know how to explain more simply. Imagine there is a book here: [-]

Now imagine this is a link to that book: --->[-]

Now imagine you clicked on the link to that book: --->[-]

You would then see the quote in context in the book. What else could you possibly want? You can move to the previous page, the next page, whatever.

Have you even clicked on the link once? It's not that hard. Really, just put your mouse over it and click. No pain at all.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

No it would not. Those are the words. Without reading the book, I would not know the context, nor would I know Kyle's frame of mind. Neither does the PP. Who is judging Kyle. My guess is PP has not read the autobiography. Have you?

I've seen enough of Kyle's interviews to know that the picture of Kyle liberals like PP paint is completely inconsistent with the man I heard speaking. That is the reasons for my questions.

The link is to the book. The actual book. It is to the page of the book on which the quote is printed. You cannot get more in context than that. Again, simply clicking on the link would save you -- and me -- a lot of typing.

Context, meaning what he was referring to, where he specifically was, etc. when he was speaking those words. Was he referring to a mother with her little children? Old Iraqi men? Or those that were trying to kill him and those he was hired to protect? Words on a page are simply that. They only mean something when they are context:

con·text
?käntekst/
noun
the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
"the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
synonyms: circumstances, conditions, factors, state of affairs, situation, background, scene, setting More
the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.
"word processing is affected by the context in which words appear"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

No it would not. Those are the words. Without reading the book, I would not know the context, nor would I know Kyle's frame of mind. Neither does the PP. Who is judging Kyle. My guess is PP has not read the autobiography. Have you?

I've seen enough of Kyle's interviews to know that the picture of Kyle liberals like PP paint is completely inconsistent with the man I heard speaking. That is the reasons for my questions.

Then read the fucking book, you dolt. No one's going to dictate the entire thing for you here.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

No it would not. Those are the words. Without reading the book, I would not know the context, nor would I know Kyle's frame of mind. Neither does the PP. Who is judging Kyle. My guess is PP has not read the autobiography. Have you?

I've seen enough of Kyle's interviews to know that the picture of Kyle liberals like PP paint is completely inconsistent with the man I heard speaking. That is the reasons for my questions.

The link is to the book. The actual book. It is to the page of the book on which the quote is printed. You cannot get more in context than that. Again, simply clicking on the link would save you -- and me -- a lot of typing.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

No it would not. Those are the words. Without reading the book, I would not know the context, nor would I know Kyle's frame of mind. Neither does the PP. Who is judging Kyle. My guess is PP has not read the autobiography. Have you?

I've seen enough of Kyle's interviews to know that the picture of Kyle liberals like PP paint is completely inconsistent with the man I heard speaking. That is the reasons for my questions.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

No it would not. Those are the words. Without reading the book, I would not know the context, nor would I know Kyle's frame of mind. Neither does the PP. Who is judging Kyle. My guess is PP has not read the autobiography. Have you?

I've seen enough of Kyle's interviews to know that the picture of Kyle liberals like PP paint is completely inconsistent with the man I heard speaking. That is the reasons for my questions.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

Click on the link. It would have saved you a lot of typing.

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

The PP typed a paragraph to diminish Kyle. I'm asking for the context surrounding it. I know it's in the biography, but it means nothing without the context. Since the PP gave us a snippet with intent to defile the man's name,

Given Kyle spoke of zones that had been already cleared and thus, only the enemy remained (and given Kyle's last line in the PPs quoted statement, I believe that to be the context) I see nothing wrong with his statements PP posted.

The part about not shooting people with Korans - now why do you suppose Kyle could have shot them but refrained? That doesn't sound like a man unhinged.

I'm asking the PP to provide context. If that individual hadn't used the statements Kyle made specifically to diminish him, I would not care.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ladies and Gentlemen,

Your hero:

He drove cars at them at high speed to see them get scared: “Their high-pitched screams, coupled with sprints in the opposite direction, had me doubled over. Cheap thrills in Iraq were priceless,” he wrote in his memoir. He bragged about stealing from their homes against orders. He compared them to American welfare recipients in their dependency and inability to handle freedom.

“On the front of my arm, I had a crusader cross inked in,” he wrote. “I wanted everyone to know I was a Christian. I had it put in in red, for blood. I hated the damn savages I’d been fighting. I always will. They’ve taken so much from me.”

“I don’t shoot people with Korans — I’d like to, but I don’t.”

Can you please show me Chris Kyle saying this? If in writing, the context is needed. If on video, the whole interview.

His autobiography (if this link works, it's to the autobiography on Google Books):

http://tinyurl.com/l9ubwvx

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.

Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.

Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.

But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.

Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone mentioning the incident with Jesse Ventura is propagating a known lie. I think Ventura is an idiot but no one should be helping Kyle's estate spread lies about him.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/01/american_sniper_lawsuit_chris_kyle_told_lies_about_jesse_ventura.html

+1 His widow sure stands to profit off of him now that he's a "legend," doesn't she? She has a cold, hard financial reason to defend his lies as the truth.

I am pretty sure his widow and his kids would want him alive, asshole.

I'm sure she would too. But now that he's not, she has even more of a reason to propagate the aura of "hero" around her husband and defend against his lies.

Wow - lets make sure we not only crush the reputation of Chris but let's bring his wife down with him. Classy!

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Anonymous wrote:I am married to a warrior. If you aren't one or don't love one, you will never understand. You are sheep! They are shepherds. Then there is the wolf! I don't want the wolf in my woods. I thank God for the shepherds. You should too! If it were not for them, we would have beheadings right here in the good ol USA! If it were not for them, you would not be able to voice your very ignorant opinion on this forum. BAAAAA

You have to think that way or you can't handle what your "warrior" is doing.

I have many family members in the armed services. I am thankful for their service. But it doesn't mean I have to agree with everything they say and do. It's called balance. Also very necessary.