Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 13:19     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Isn't the real issue that the mothers want their sons in the locker so that the mothers can keep and eye on the child while the mother changes? Boys can change with a towel around their waist pretty easily, so they really don't need to be in any locker room to change.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:56     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.



You keep assuming the rules say no starting at 5. That's no true at my pool and many others.


Hi Wacky - You keep saying you'll do it whether your kid is 5, 6 or 7...so his current age isn't relevant. What is relevant is this: you are upset if people complain that your 5 year old is in the women's room yet the rule permits him to be there at 5. You also say, however, when the rule applies against you (when he's 6+) you'll still bring him in there so that he can ultimately grow vegetables and not be sodomized, even if you have to label him transgender to do it.


I'm a person who said our membership tried to lower the age and saw immediate push back (and raised the age again immediately). At our pool, kids are now allowed in the changing rooms until age 6, then parents are asked to use discretion. In the two years since, it hasn't been an issue.

I would imagine that some (maybe most?) children are completely fine in a membership pool's confined changing room by around age 6. But there could certainly be some kids who aren't ready yet at that age, just as there may be some 4 year olds who could handle it completely. Frankly, I'd be wary of my 6 year old in a Y's changing room, but we don't freqquent the Y. If the rule was "no 6 year olds there" I would probably just take my business elsewhere. I certainly wouldn't send my 6 year old somewhere I was uncomfortable with.

BTW, this isn't North Korea / gay pride here. She's not the only poster. In fact, I think she's probably trolling.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:50     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.



You keep assuming the rules say no starting at 5. That's no true at my pool and many others.


Hi Wacky - You keep saying you'll do it whether your kid is 5, 6 or 7...so his current age isn't relevant. What is relevant is this: you are upset if people complain that your 5 year old is in the women's room yet the rule permits him to be there at 5. You also say, however, when the rule applies against you (when he's 6+) you'll still bring him in there so that he can ultimately grow vegetables and not be sodomized, even if you have to label him transgender to do it.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:47     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
They can, however, tell you that you are not allowed to take your child into the locker room inappropriate to your child's gender.


Then I say, "Oh, my child is transgender. It is really a girl in a boy's body".
Due to fear of appearing "bigoted", and a willingness to adhere to Politically Correct attitudes, they will back down and follow my wishes. Problem solved. Rules still not obeyed and will not be obeyed under any circumstance:


I move to nominate this and the preceding Gay Pride/North Korea post for Most Absurd DCUM Post of the Day. Anyone second the motion?
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:38     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
They can, however, tell you that you are not allowed to take your child into the locker room inappropriate to your child's gender.


Then I say, "Oh, my child is transgender. It is really a girl in a boy's body".
Due to fear of appearing "bigoted", and a willingness to adhere to Politically Correct attitudes, they will back down and follow my wishes. Problem solved. Rules still not obeyed and will not be obeyed under any circumstance:
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:37     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.



You keep assuming the rules say no starting at 5. That's no true at my pool and many others.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:35     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
This argument, which happens at least once a year, is absurd. If you don't like the rules of the club, don't go to that club.

Why should my 10 year old daughter have to deal with your 5+ year old son staring at her while she changes?

You can change you son at home, in the car, or even by putting a towel around his waist so that he can do a deck change.

You could also accompany him into the men's locker room. As a father, I would rather you see me naked than have your son see my daughter naked.

When you break the rule and bring your son into the ladies locker room, you are just saying that you think his welfare is more important than the welfare of my daughter and all of the other young girls in that locker room.

Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:29     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!


The parent, not any kind of management, is the final authority concerning the supervision of a child. If the parent does not want her child going to an opposite-sex restroom then the child does not go
to the opposite sex restroom. The parent, who is responsible for the child, has the final say. Period.

Imagine this scenerio: a trusting, loving, amicable 5-year old child is preyed upon and sodomized in the men's restroom by a Gay Pride marcher. The child has AIDS now but at least the mother obeyed the rules!

Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.



It's awfully hard to argue with a poster who says that parents can do whatever they want with their children because Gay Pride and North Korea. But it's a snow day, so I will do it anyway.

PP, you have the final say over your child. If you don't want your child to go into the locker room appropriate to your child's gender, then nobody can make your child go.

They can, however, tell you that you are not allowed to take your child into the locker room inappropriate to your child's gender. If you do it anyway, they can tell you that you are not allowed to use the public facility. If you do that anyway, they are allowed to call the police, and if the police come, they are allowed to arrest you for trespassing. Then you may tell the judge about Gay Pride and North Korea.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:28     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, these people giving tips to others to not bring their young kids in? Save your breath. Not one person is going to take your goofy ass tips, nor will I change my behavior to accommodate your hang up. If you have a problem, by all means, complain to management. But if you hassle me, I'll complain to management about you - it works both ways. We had a few people bitch about this at our pool and management sent out a note saying "hey keep kids 5+ out of the opposite sex changing rooms" and the response from membership - both those with and without kids impacted by such a rule - was to say "nope." It's absurd, as another poster pointed out, to tell a family their little kid should be unsupervised in a restroom. I can tell you the little 6 year old girls who come in to the ladies without parents could use more supervision, not less. Same would go for unsupervised boys in the men's room. Not to mention, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys or something like that suffers from some sort of sexual abuse. Usually it's a known person (friend at the pool?) Hell no are my kids going in there without a trusted adult. HELL NO. So save your breath because I will not change my behavior and give less than one shit about what you think of me and my kids. It would be my supreme pleasure to tell you so to your huffy puffy face, too, so feel free to call me out.

Hugs and kisses!


Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!


To clarify, our membership received the notice on our listerv and there was an immediate backlash from an overwhelming proportion of the membership pushing back against the new rule. Our management, who work for us, changed the rule right quick and those who wanted to complain about it did so. Funny, the only complainers were basically the in-person equivalent of DCUM trolls. They are known complainers about everything!
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:26     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, these people giving tips to others to not bring their young kids in? Save your breath. Not one person is going to take your goofy ass tips, nor will I change my behavior to accommodate your hang up. If you have a problem, by all means, complain to management. But if you hassle me, I'll complain to management about you - it works both ways. We had a few people bitch about this at our pool and management sent out a note saying "hey keep kids 5+ out of the opposite sex changing rooms" and the response from membership - both those with and without kids impacted by such a rule - was to say "nope." It's absurd, as another poster pointed out, to tell a family their little kid should be unsupervised in a restroom. I can tell you the little 6 year old girls who come in to the ladies without parents could use more supervision, not less. Same would go for unsupervised boys in the men's room. Not to mention, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys or something like that suffers from some sort of sexual abuse. Usually it's a known person (friend at the pool?) Hell no are my kids going in there without a trusted adult. HELL NO. So save your breath because I will not change my behavior and give less than one shit about what you think of me and my kids. It would be my supreme pleasure to tell you so to your huffy puffy face, too, so feel free to call me out.

Hugs and kisses!


Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!


You could already tell these kids were going to be messed up. I mean seriously if you can't live your life without thinking "If I lose sight of my daughter for 30 seconds while she walks through the womens locker room she has a 25% chance of being molested!" Seek help.


No doubt. Look at whacko's response here (and immediately above): Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.
Her thought process is kids in my sight at all times, rules be damned. Listen Wacky, no one is saying not to supervise your kid if you think your kid needs to be supervised. What we're saying is supervise your kid BUT still follow the rules by implementing one of the many alternatives we've suggested to you.


I'm the person who posted the first time. I am NOT the person who talked about N. Korea. She didn't clarify that she was a new poster, but she wasn't me. I'm not worried about gay pride parades or North Korea, OR your opinion on the "many alternatives."

Also, perhaps I was not clear. Our pool membership overwhelmingly said "nope" and changed the rules. So what I taught my kids was that authority can be challenged productively when it's important.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:22     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, these people giving tips to others to not bring their young kids in? Save your breath. Not one person is going to take your goofy ass tips, nor will I change my behavior to accommodate your hang up. If you have a problem, by all means, complain to management. But if you hassle me, I'll complain to management about you - it works both ways. We had a few people bitch about this at our pool and management sent out a note saying "hey keep kids 5+ out of the opposite sex changing rooms" and the response from membership - both those with and without kids impacted by such a rule - was to say "nope." It's absurd, as another poster pointed out, to tell a family their little kid should be unsupervised in a restroom. I can tell you the little 6 year old girls who come in to the ladies without parents could use more supervision, not less. Same would go for unsupervised boys in the men's room. Not to mention, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys or something like that suffers from some sort of sexual abuse. Usually it's a known person (friend at the pool?) Hell no are my kids going in there without a trusted adult. HELL NO. So save your breath because I will not change my behavior and give less than one shit about what you think of me and my kids. It would be my supreme pleasure to tell you so to your huffy puffy face, too, so feel free to call me out.

Hugs and kisses!


Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!


You could already tell these kids were going to be messed up. I mean seriously if you can't live your life without thinking "If I lose sight of my daughter for 30 seconds while she walks through the womens locker room she has a 25% chance of being molested!" Seek help.


No doubt. Look at whacko's response here (and immediately above): Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.
Her thought process is kids in my sight at all times, rules be damned. Listen Wacky, no one is saying not to supervise your kid if you think your kid needs to be supervised. What we're saying is supervise your kid BUT still follow the rules by implementing one of the many alternatives we've suggested to you.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:14     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, these people giving tips to others to not bring their young kids in? Save your breath. Not one person is going to take your goofy ass tips, nor will I change my behavior to accommodate your hang up. If you have a problem, by all means, complain to management. But if you hassle me, I'll complain to management about you - it works both ways. We had a few people bitch about this at our pool and management sent out a note saying "hey keep kids 5+ out of the opposite sex changing rooms" and the response from membership - both those with and without kids impacted by such a rule - was to say "nope." It's absurd, as another poster pointed out, to tell a family their little kid should be unsupervised in a restroom. I can tell you the little 6 year old girls who come in to the ladies without parents could use more supervision, not less. Same would go for unsupervised boys in the men's room. Not to mention, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys or something like that suffers from some sort of sexual abuse. Usually it's a known person (friend at the pool?) Hell no are my kids going in there without a trusted adult. HELL NO. So save your breath because I will not change my behavior and give less than one shit about what you think of me and my kids. It would be my supreme pleasure to tell you so to your huffy puffy face, too, so feel free to call me out.

Hugs and kisses!


Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!


You could already tell these kids were going to be messed up. I mean seriously if you can't live your life without thinking "If I lose sight of my daughter for 30 seconds while she walks through the womens locker room she has a 25% chance of being molested!" Seek help.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:13     Subject: Re:Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Great way to teach your kids about life's rules not applying to your family. Keep it up, you're doing a GREAT job parenting!!!!


The parent, not any kind of management, is the final authority concerning the supervision of a child. If the parent does not want her child going to an opposite-sex restroom then the child does not go
to the opposite sex restroom. The parent, who is responsible for the child, has the final say. Period.

Imagine this scenerio: a trusting, loving, amicable 5-year old child is preyed upon and sodomized in the men's restroom by a Gay Pride marcher. The child has AIDS now but at least the mother obeyed the rules!


Do you see how stupid you appear about obeying rules all the time every time? In N. Korea, even in rural areas, people were forbidden to plant a garden or have livestock. Millions of them died because they obeyed the
rules.

Let me repeat this: the parent has final say concerning the supervision of a child. FINAL. Only some kind of stupid, goofy woman would take offence at having a child in the restroom. Until that boy has hair on his balls
it is a ridiculous protest against it.

Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 12:10     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
I think a 5 year old boy in the women's changing room is odd. I would have waited for you all to leave before changing, but I wouldn't have said anything to you about it. Some pools have other options on site, some pools have rules about age caps for children going into the wrong bathroom - if you were making use of the best option available to you and not breaking any rules, I would have considered it my own problem that I'm uncomfortable with it. But if you had alternatives or were breaking the rules, then I probably would have asked the pool staff to put up a reminder at the door.
Anonymous
Post 01/06/2015 11:59     Subject: Just got grief for bringing 5 yo DS into the women's locker room
Agree..I love snow days..such fun to look on DCUM!!