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Anonymous wrote:I am stunned that the victim's friends were so cold and uncaring, despite her obvious distress and what sounds like visible injuries from being beaten. When I think back to my freshman year of college i can not imagine even one of my friends reacting that way, let alone a whole group of them. Telling her she should have enjoyed it? That she'll be "that girl" and ruin their chances at getting into a sorority or fraternity? I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that it wasn't just one crappy (personality disordered) friend who treated her this way, but several, according to the article. And that their own social status was the first thing they thought of upon seeing her immediately afterward in obvious physical and emotional distress. Unfathomable.

Not to mention that these seven men behaved so monstrously, as a pack. How is that possible? I always thought it would take a sociopath to rape, beat and torture a woman, but that these seven young men did this together is chilling.

Go read about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Go read about Abu Ghraib. Then get back to us.

Those people weren't sociopaths. They were just people who were in a social situation that gave them permission to abuse someone in a "lesser" position. So they did.

So you're saying that in the right circumstances, any of our sons could participate in such a brutal crime?

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Anonymous wrote:I am stunned that the victim's friends were so cold and uncaring, despite her obvious distress and what sounds like visible injuries from being beaten. When I think back to my freshman year of college i can not imagine even one of my friends reacting that way, let alone a whole group of them. Telling her she should have enjoyed it? That she'll be "that girl" and ruin their chances at getting into a sorority or fraternity? I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that it wasn't just one crappy (personality disordered) friend who treated her this way, but several, according to the article. And that their own social status was the first thing they thought of upon seeing her immediately afterward in obvious physical and emotional distress. Unfathomable.

Not to mention that these seven men behaved so monstrously, as a pack. How is that possible? I always thought it would take a sociopath to rape, beat and torture a woman, but that these seven young men did this together is chilling.

Go read about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Go read about Abu Ghraib. Then get back to us.

Those people weren't sociopaths. They were just people who were in a social situation that gave them permission to abuse someone in a "lesser" position. So they did.

So you're saying that in the right circumstances, any of our sons could participate in such a brutal crime?

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Anonymous wrote:I am stunned that the victim's friends were so cold and uncaring, despite her obvious distress and what sounds like visible injuries from being beaten. When I think back to my freshman year of college i can not imagine even one of my friends reacting that way, let alone a whole group of them. Telling her she should have enjoyed it? That she'll be "that girl" and ruin their chances at getting into a sorority or fraternity? I just can't wrap my brain around the fact that it wasn't just one crappy (personality disordered) friend who treated her this way, but several, according to the article. And that their own social status was the first thing they thought of upon seeing her immediately afterward in obvious physical and emotional distress. Unfathomable.

Not to mention that these seven men behaved so monstrously, as a pack. How is that possible? I always thought it would take a sociopath to rape, beat and torture a woman, but that these seven young men did this together is chilling.

Go read about the Stanford Prison Experiment. Go read about Abu Ghraib. Then get back to us.

Those people weren't sociopaths. They were just people who were in a social situation that gave them permission to abuse someone in a "lesser" position. So they did.

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Anonymous wrote:It's really hard to believe a group of young men who worked hard to get into UVA and presumably care about their future do something so violent and criminal. I mean that's like a war crime type situation.

If it's true, those guys should get life sentences. I'm just having a hard time believing the story as written.

I went to UVA 15+ years ago and not only do I believe it but I am shocked it has taken this long to come out. And, perhaps equally sad in the reaction of her peers, which, IMO, is a very accurate reflection of the mindset of many at that school. I love UVA for so many reasons, but the frat culture there is disgusting. I was in a top sorority and socialized with the guys in these frats a lot. Looking back, as an adult, what went on then and what I am sure goes on now, makes me sick.

Anonymous wrote:To the pp who never reported it:

What would you tell your teenage daughter before sending her away to college to not only prevent such an attack, but also in terms of how she should handle such an attack in terms of who to call and what to do?

Anonymous wrote:It's really hard to believe a group of young men who worked hard to get into UVA and presumably care about their future do something so violent and criminal. I mean that's like a war crime type situation.

If it's true, those guys should get life sentences. I'm just having a hard time believing the story as written.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't necessarily believe the story, but I don't wonder why victims don't come forward either. I'm inclined to believe most accusations of rape, but I also realize that there are women out there who would lie about such things. I reserve judgement in this case. It just doesn't seem that there is enough evidence presented in this article to come down on a particular side. Why are you so certain that the accusations are valid?

It happened to me. I didn't report. Two fraternity members raped me, with my ex-boyfriend's permission. It was planned. I didn't report it because they said no one would believe it. They were right. Nothing ever changes in American society.

Anonymous wrote:I don't necessarily believe the story, but I don't wonder why victims don't come forward either. I'm inclined to believe most accusations of rape, but I also realize that there are women out there who would lie about such things. I reserve judgement in this case. It just doesn't seem that there is enough evidence presented in this article to come down on a particular side. Why are you so certain that the accusations are valid?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm only concerned about justice. And of course there are rapists on campus. For for 7 (or more, if more were in the room witnessing) rapists to be together at the same time, and none thought it wrong or thought to stop it or try to stop it, just seems unbelievable. More unbelievable than the Duke rape case years ago.

It's actually not in the least unbelievable. You're inexperienced and/or naive to think it is.

The Duke rape case was he said/she said.. No judgement of innocence. The fact is , an all white lacrosse team of rich kids had a party where they purchased African American strippers for objectification and entertainment. You can imagine the toxic atmosphere.

The Duke case was proven to be a complete fabrication. As this will likely be.

She may not have been raped as was reported but I think something did happen.

For those of you wondering why the victims didn't come forward in these cases, behold this conversation and the "she must be mentally ill" conversation. Both of which are based on nothing but the posters' discomfort with the idea that this could even happen, and even the extensive vetting of the RS article isn't enough to overcome their "truthiness." There is absolutely no evidence to discredit their accounts, and yet the rape apologists are already waiving the "she's lying/she's crazy" banners.