Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much I don't understand I guess (and I'm not anti-Islam). I normally meet my neighbors when walking my dog (exercise and a reason to be outside). It's a super friendly neighborhood and we'll talk for hours. My Muslim neighbors (there are 3 houses, so not just one family) used to literally run from me, cross the sidewalk to not be on the same side as me. I did know that their kids were extremely afraid of my small dog, but I didn't realize it was the issue with the adults. Turns out I was told that Muslims view dogs as unclean. My dog is pretty laid back and doesn't jump on people or even act interested.

Anyways, just thought that I had crazy rude neighbors for years.

I was involved in my HOA's social committee for years as well. We had trouble getting the Muslims to come to our socials because we served wine and beer (and they said they wouldn't attend because of that). So we had a few dry socials and low and behold, no one else would show up for those either.

I had to laugh at the bold part because I do the same thing loool. Please don't take offense to it. Muslims have to do what is called Wudu before they pray (ablutions). One of the things that invalidates your wudu is if a dog's saliva touches you have to do it again. It is not the dog that's impure, but its saliva. So, sometimes, I'm in a state of ablution and a dog comes towards me, I'm afraid it will start licking me, so you better believe, I will run just because I don't want to go back and do my ablutions again.

As for the Muslims in your HOA, no idea why they didn't attend the dry socials. Not every human being is social, and that has nothing to do with religion...

This is so fucking nutty, it pisses me off that I'm supposed to respect it. You and every other religious person should be marginalized as the fools you are.

I agree.

Again, it boils down to these insignificant "rules" that govern one's thinking.

Who in the hell would connect "impure" dog saliva with prayer? What else invalidates your wudu? What if a bird shits on you? Does THAT invalidate your wudu? (In some cultures, it's considered good luck.)

Seriously? You may as well live your life in a box. That way you can't get into any trouble.

Muslima:

Please give us some examples of how Allah has helped you in your personal life.

I come from a family of fanatical atheists. My mom was emotionally cold and my dad sexually abused me. My relationship with Our Lord Jesus Christ (developed as a young adult) has helped me see light in the darkness and move beyond my early experiences. I still struggle, but have a sense of wholeness and peace to fall back on which comes from contact with the perfect goodness of God.

I can be very intellectual about my religion too, but I think when it comes down to it, people want to hear about your relationship with God.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not anti-Islam.

I just want Muslims to stay in their own countries and not come here. Nothing good comes of it when they do.

Uh, Muslims have been coming to the United States since the 1700s.

But I would bet if you go back in time, Native Americans would say the same about Christians.

Earlier than that if you consider Muslim slaves, oh I'm sorry, slaves were not people.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:
I am not here to convince you about the merits of Islam. I shared the message of Islam based on the questions that were asked. Islam is enough for me, that is all that matters to me, It stands on its own merits, it is Perfect~ I am not here to convince you of anything. Whatever you choose for your life is your decision, as long as you're happy with it, what do you have to worry about?

Do you understand what it stands on its own merits means? You should at least be able to describe said merits, and you can't.

You are the one saying Islam is perfect, but you can't seem to back that up. Why should I believe you if you have nothing to back yourself up with? You are the one coming on the internet, saying something is perfect, and are not quite able to explain what that means. Why shouldn't we challenge you on that? I'm happy that Islam is enough for you, but you don't seem to know why or how.

You don't have to believe me, I have repeated that many many times lol woow! I can not make you believe me, only Allah can! Our duty as Muslims is just to convey the message, we can't convince you of anything that he heart rejects. Belief begins in the heart, if its not there, nobody can help you. Yes Islam is perfect for me, it will never be perfect in your eyes because you have not tasted the sweetness of faith. And a lot of other people I guess agree with me since Islam is the fastest growing religion with many converts joining its ranks every year. Islam is the only religion whose sources are authentically preserved and thus remains immaculately free of all human tampering and interpolations.To me, Islam appears like a perfect work of architecture. All its parts are harmoniously conceived to complement and support each other; nothing is superfluous and nothing lacking; and the result is a structure of absolute balance and solid composure! You say I dont understand why it is enough for me lol. I actually do, since you asked, here you go ! Though I was born into a muslim family, I chose Islam.I study Islam academically as well, I read the Quran, the ahadith, and questioned certain beliefs, found answers, also other religions don't seem to make sense to me. There are scientific miracles in the Quran that an illiterate bedouin could not have known 1400 years ago! Islam provides for us a living example of such a balanced role model in Prophet Muhammad saw, whose life, unlike those of the great heroes and prophets of other religions, is an open book easily accessible for anyone.The Qur’an is anti-classical in its approach to knowledge, and stresses experiential knowledge, a fact which combines authentic science with authentic spirituality. The Qur’an provides answers to questions that haunt every intelligent person, questions related to life after death, an area which is almost totally mysterious in other religions.Islamic teachings about the essential identity of human beings and its stress on human brotherhood can break the barriers separating humans from one another. This can save humanity from the dire consequences of nationalism and racism which tend to break up humanity artificially by creating and sustaining perpetual conflicts. Islam dispenses with all intermediaries between man and God and allows all humans to freely contact God, thus eliminating hierarchies and other sources of religious exploitation that has characterized religious history throughout the ages. It offers me inner-peace, a direct relationship between me and Allah Almighty. and makes me a better Human being. Everything that I am is thanks to what Islam taught me. So you want to know why it's perfect for me? don't trust me - trust our Creator. If and only If YOU ARE interested, Read the Quran with an open heart. Dr Jeffery Lang ( ex Atheist convert to Islam) in his book struggling to surrender says: " You cannot simply read the Quran, not if you take it seriously. You either have surrendered to it already or you fight it. It attacks tenaciously, directly, personally; it debates, critisizes, shames and challenges. From the outset it draws the line of battle, and I was on the other side." Thus he was in an interesting battle. " I was at a severe disadvantage, for it became clear that the Author knew me better than i knew myself." So, may advice is, read a lot! Read good ideas, read great ideas. Even read stupid ideas. As the Qur'an encourages us to listen to what is said and take the best of it The first verse of the Quran that was revealed wasn't "Pray" but "Read, Read in the name of your Lord who created the" So beautiful, Allah in his infinite wisdom knows how important knowledge is to man! . Ma Salama (Peace) ~

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So much I don't understand I guess (and I'm not anti-Islam). I normally meet my neighbors when walking my dog (exercise and a reason to be outside). It's a super friendly neighborhood and we'll talk for hours. My Muslim neighbors (there are 3 houses, so not just one family) used to literally run from me, cross the sidewalk to not be on the same side as me. I did know that their kids were extremely afraid of my small dog, but I didn't realize it was the issue with the adults. Turns out I was told that Muslims view dogs as unclean. My dog is pretty laid back and doesn't jump on people or even act interested.

Anyways, just thought that I had crazy rude neighbors for years.

I was involved in my HOA's social committee for years as well. We had trouble getting the Muslims to come to our socials because we served wine and beer (and they said they wouldn't attend because of that). So we had a few dry socials and low and behold, no one else would show up for those either.

I had to laugh at the bold part because I do the same thing loool. Please don't take offense to it. Muslims have to do what is called Wudu before they pray (ablutions). One of the things that invalidates your wudu is if a dog's saliva touches you have to do it again. It is not the dog that's impure, but its saliva. So, sometimes, I'm in a state of ablution and a dog comes towards me, I'm afraid it will start licking me, so you better believe, I will run just because I don't want to go back and do my ablutions again.

As for the Muslims in your HOA, no idea why they didn't attend the dry socials. Not every human being is social, and that has nothing to do with religion...

This is so fucking nutty, it pisses me off that I'm supposed to respect it. You and every other religious person should be marginalized as the fools you are.

Muslima wrote:
I am not here to convince you about the merits of Islam. I shared the message of Islam based on the questions that were asked. Islam is enough for me, that is all that matters to me, It stands on its own merits, it is Perfect~ I am not here to convince you of anything. Whatever you choose for your life is your decision, as long as you're happy with it, what do you have to worry about?

Do you understand what it stands on its own merits means? You should at least be able to describe said merits, and you can't.

You are the one saying Islam is perfect, but you can't seem to back that up. Why should I believe you if you have nothing to back yourself up with? You are the one coming on the internet, saying something is perfect, and are not quite able to explain what that means. Why shouldn't we challenge you on that? I'm happy that Islam is enough for you, but you don't seem to know why or how.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?

So, yes the majority of the Muslim scholars are saying "Kill" is the punishment, a minority is saying "No". Hope it is not too confusing and of course Allah knows best!

Thank you, all we needed to know!

A true and loving God would not have left this so ambivalent for "scholars" to figure out. It really shouldn't be so hard, Muslima!!

Actually, differences of opinions are a blessing in some Fiqh rulings, because the ruling is "if there is a different of opinions between scholars, you can choose whichever one your heart believes is the correct opinion" and there won't be a sin in doing so, so no it is not so hard!!!Allah is a loving God, if you knew how Allah manages your affairs, your heart would melt out of love for Him~

This is easy for you to say. I'm sure the many people over the centuries who have been murdered because they left Islam would beg to differ as to whether differences of opinion are a "blessing."

Listen, a good religion should stand on its own merits. You don't discuss the merits. Your rationale so far has been "Allah is loving and Islam is perfect because I say so." Nothing about Islam or Allah seem particularly loving or perfect, according to YOUR OWN description of the religion!

I am not here to convince you about the merits of Islam. I shared the message of Islam based on the questions that were asked. Islam is enough for me, that is all that matters to me, It stands on its own merits, it is Perfect~ I am not here to convince you of anything. Whatever you choose for your life is your decision, as long as you're happy with it, what do you have to worry about?

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?

So, yes the majority of the Muslim scholars are saying "Kill" is the punishment, a minority is saying "No". Hope it is not too confusing and of course Allah knows best!

Thank you, all we needed to know!

A true and loving God would not have left this so ambivalent for "scholars" to figure out. It really shouldn't be so hard, Muslima!!

Actually, differences of opinions are a blessing in some Fiqh rulings, because the ruling is "if there is a different of opinions between scholars, you can choose whichever one your heart believes is the correct opinion" and there won't be a sin in doing so, so no it is not so hard!!!Allah is a loving God, if you knew how Allah manages your affairs, your heart would melt out of love for Him~

This is easy for you to say. I'm sure the many people over the centuries who have been murdered because they left Islam would beg to differ as to whether differences of opinion are a "blessing."

Listen, a good religion should stand on its own merits. You don't discuss the merits. Your rationale so far has been "Allah is loving and Islam is perfect because I say so." Nothing about Islam or Allah seem particularly loving or perfect, according to YOUR OWN description of the religion!

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?

So, yes the majority of the Muslim scholars are saying "Kill" is the punishment, a minority is saying "No". Hope it is not too confusing and of course Allah knows best!

Thank you, all we needed to know!

A true and loving God would not have left this so ambivalent for "scholars" to figure out. It really shouldn't be so hard, Muslima!!

Actually, differences of opinions are a blessing in some Fiqh rulings, because the ruling is "if there is a different of opinions between scholars, you can choose whichever one your heart believes is the correct opinion" and there won't be a sin in doing so, so no it is not so hard!!!Allah is a loving God, if you knew how Allah manages your affairs, your heart would melt out of love for Him~

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.

If you want to have a serious discussion about Islam, please refrain from quoting Sheikh Wikipedia. The web is full of salafists, wahabists,fatwa lovers, islam bashers, ect. The most reliable and authentic sources of information about Islam is of course the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Hadiths, that's what Muslims live by, not wikipedia. Islamic Figh (jurisprudence) is very complex, as the rules are not static. For every situation, the Fiqh can change depending on the person's specific circumstances~

Ok, are you refuting any of the post you are responding to?

Are you denying that jizya has historically been used as a reason to unfairly confiscate property from minorities in Muslim countries?

Are you denying that Sharia law sets up a system of "separate but equal" for non-Muslims?

I already responded to you about Jizya according to Islamic Law (Fiqh). You can choose to believe Wikipedia, but it would be a waste of my time to repeat myself. I believe that Sharia Law is a perfect law when it is applied correctly!

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?

So, yes the majority of the Muslim scholars are saying "Kill" is the punishment, a minority is saying "No". Hope it is not too confusing and of course Allah knows best!

Thank you, all we needed to know!

A true and loving God would not have left this so ambivalent for "scholars" to figure out. It really shouldn't be so hard, Muslima!!

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.

If you want to have a serious discussion about Islam, please refrain from quoting Sheikh Wikipedia. The web is full of salafists, wahabists,fatwa lovers, islam bashers, ect. The most reliable and authentic sources of information about Islam is of course the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Hadiths, that's what Muslims live by, not wikipedia. Islamic Figh (jurisprudence) is very complex, as the rules are not static. For every situation, the Fiqh can change depending on the person's specific circumstances~

Ok, are you refuting any of the post you are responding to?

Are you denying that jizya has historically been used as a reason to unfairly confiscate property from minorities in Muslim countries?

Are you denying that Sharia law sets up a system of "separate but equal" for non-Muslims?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.

I don't even know where to begin.

So I'll just type.

I couldn't even get through the Quaran "guidelines" above. WHO has time to familiarize him/herself with those rules anyway? If you have that much time, then spend it with your kids or with your friends or with your spouse!

omg, folks! It's amazing to me just HOW MUCH people want to be told what to do every second of their lives!

Who doesn't see that?

Religion is control over the masses, and it's the power behind these so-called governments.

yikes! Get me off this thread! My head's spinning.

Why did you even come here? A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship HIM than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell....

Anonymous wrote:Here are the differences between Jizya and Zakat, according to Wikipedia:

Zakat
obligatory upon Muslims
net worth of assets must exceed the Nisab (excess money for personal need) for Zakat to be obligatory
only payable on assets continuously owned over one lunar year that are in excess of the Nisab
the amount of Zakat paid is fixed and specified by Sharee'ah
paid only by the owner of the assets himself/herself
refusal to pay Zakat has no specific punishment by Sharee'ah law in life; punishment is delayed to the end time[35]
should be paid seeking God's pleasure [Qur'an 30:39]


Jizya
obligatory upon Dhimmis
required even if the Dhimmi's wealth or property does not exceed Nisab
paid according to a contract, but usually paid yearly regardless of Nisab
the amount paid is not fixed or specified by Sharee'ah, but is at least one gold Dinar with no maximum amount [32][33]
paid by all able-bodied adult males of military age and affording power[34]
refusal to pay Jizya is considered a breach of The Dhimma contract; as a consequence the Dhimmi's blood (life) and assets would become permissible[36]
is a tax on non-Muslims.[37]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakat


Once again, what Muslims *claim* about Islam is different from what is actually practiced around the world. Jizya has often been used as an excuse to confiscate Christian and minority property in an unfair way.

Separating people into different groups under the law is, and always will be, a lousy idea. Ever heard of "separate but equal?" Segregation laws? And guess what, people enforcing those laws always had some rationale that it was "fair" or "better for everyone." This type of system invites inequality, discrimination, and worse. This, by itself, should be enough to convince a person that Islam is not perfect. No religion should be dictating laws.

If you want to have a serious discussion about Islam, please refrain from quoting Sheikh Wikipedia. The web is full of salafists, wahabists,fatwa lovers, islam bashers, ect. The most reliable and authentic sources of information about Islam is of course the Qur’an and Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s Hadiths, that's what Muslims live by, not wikipedia. Islamic Figh (jurisprudence) is very complex, as the rules are not static. For every situation, the Fiqh can change depending on the person's specific circumstances~

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, under Shariah, would a Muslim be allowed to convert to Christianity and leave Islam?

So, after abortion, homosexuality, now apostasy I will start by saying if anyone is asking these questions just to hear me say "Death to Non-Muslims", I hate homosexuals ECT., you are wasting your time, but if it is in the interest of discussion, curiosity, ect, then I welcome these. As a Muslim Woman, I have no problem with homosexuals, satan worshippers, atheists, ect I might disagree morally, but legally they have the right to do as they please.

I will define 2 things first before we start because non-muslims might not know what Im talking about.

Quran: Muslims believe that the Quran is the word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad saw by God through the angel Jibril ( Gabriel). The Quran comprehends the complete code for the Muslims to live a good, abundant and rewarding life in obedience to the commandments of Allah, in this life and to gain salvation in the next. It is the "chart of life" for every Muslim, the "constitution" .

Hadith: The collected reports of what the Prophet Muhammad saw said and did during his lifetime. During the first few decades after the Prophet Muhammad'saw' s death, those who directly knew him (known as the Companions) shared and collected quotations and stories related to the Prophet's life. Within the first two centuries after the Prophet's death, scholars conducted a thorough review of the stories, tracing the origins of each quotation along with the chain of narrators through whom the quotation was passed. Those which were not verifiable were deemed "weak" or even "fabricated," while others were deemed "authentic" (sahih) and collected into volumes. The most authentic collections of hadith (according to Sunni Muslims) include Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, and Sunan Abu Dawud.


So, the Quran is from God and the Hadiths are the stories that we have from the companions of the prophet saw about how he lived his life.

Now let's talk about Murtid (apostasy) a Muslim who makes the choice to leave Islam. Muslim scholars are NOT in agreement on how apostats should be treated. I can't deny that for the majority of Islamic history, the majority of Muslim Scholars have said that if a person leaves Islam, he should be killed. Many scholars since the 8th century have said that this view was incorrect and that there is nothing in the Quran that stipulates that one who leaves Islam should be killed , but to be clear, these scholars were a Minority! The majority of scholars who said that death is the punishment for apostasy based it one a Hadith of the prophet saw where He said " "[In the words of] Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'" Although this Hadith is authentic, it is also established that Prophet Muhammad saw never ordered the death penalty to be carried out on people known during his time to have apostatised. Of such people was a Bedouin man who came to Medina (during a time of political and military power for Muslims) to announce his Islam, but apostatised and left the city a short period later without receiving any penalty for his subsequent rejection. You should also note that this hadith is considered a weak hadith with just a single isnad (this means there is only one chain of transmission or narration) and thus according to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, it is not enough to validate the death penalty.


The Scholars who say that death is not the punishment for apostasy base it on how the Prophet saw treated individuals who entered and left Islam, and the numerous verses in the Quran guaranteeing freedom of belief. They say that the hadith about killing who leaves the religion was revealed during a time of war when some non-muslims used to pretend that they wanted to be Muslims. But they only pretended to enter Islam to take advantage of the Muslims, learn their battle strategies, then abused and slaughtered an entire group of shepherds that memorized the entire Quran, who were caring for them. So, the scholars said that this hadith is in reference to treason, not just merely leaving your religion, but these used to be people who presented to be muslims just to get secrets and later use it against them. The Quran mentions apostasy several times but does not prescribe any punishment for it.

Quran: 4:137 "Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way."

Notice that the Quran says those who reject faith and then Believe and again disbelieve. If a Muslim rejects faith and is then killed for doing so how will he live to again BELIEVE and then DISBELIEVE. The atmosphere of this verse is that of free will and freedom of choice to everyone. Many prominent scholars throughout the centuries have held the view that apostasy is not a capital offense. This view is founded on the fact that the Qur'an is completely silent on the death penalty for apostasy. In fact, freedom of religion is a fundamental tenet of Islam. In Surah al-Baqarah, 2:256, Allah explicitly states: "Let there be no compulsion in religion".

So, yes the majority of the Muslim scholars are saying "Kill" is the punishment, a minority is saying "No". Hope it is not too confusing and of course Allah knows best!