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Anonymous wrote:I don't have first hand info about the facts or evidence in this case. I do know, more often than not (as most humans do), when looking at a photo, whether it was posed or taken surreptitiously. Come on.

But you haven't seen these pictures, have you? So, how could you possibly know either way?

I said I didn't know. Why are you pushing this in a circle?

Obviously, people have seen the pics, including the authorities, and have drawn certain preliminary conclusions. When no allegations are made that the pics were taken against the girls wishes (as has been said in other similar teen cases recently where the girls appeared to be incoherent), it is reasonable to make the inference that the girls knew when the pics were taken. We're not at trial where rules of evidence apply. We're on DCUM. But still: use your head. And to do that, you have to get it out of the sand.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't have first hand info about the facts or evidence in this case. I do know, more often than not (as most humans do), when looking at a photo, whether it was posed or taken surreptitiously. Come on.

But you haven't seen these pictures, have you? So, how could you possibly know either way?

Nobody know either way. But most girls take photos of themselves, share them, then regret it. Most teen cases are not unwilling victims. Let it play out. We will see. But my opinion is that these girls are just mad they gave their "boyfriend" a picture and it went viral.

Anonymous wrote:I don't have first hand info about the facts or evidence in this case. I do know, more often than not (as most humans do), when looking at a photo, whether it was posed or taken surreptitiously. Come on.

But you haven't seen these pictures, have you? So, how could you possibly know either way?

If it was a girl putting the pictures in the "dropbox" it would have been dealt with like a bully situation not a child porn crime.

I don't have first hand info about the facts or evidence in this case. I do know, more often than not (as most humans do), when looking at a photo, whether it was posed or taken surreptitiously. Come on.

Anonymous wrote:^^^^PP will not tolerate "blame shifting" to girls.

So it's OK for girls to create pornographic photographs of themselves, but bad if the recipient of the porn uses it as porn.

Maybe it is one of your girls involved and you are afraid. This is the only excuse I can make for your statement.

I'm getting the same feeling. Or maybe just DDs (or moms) who have posted risqué pics of themselves. And now they're worried that they can't control what the recipient does with the pics?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't know if the girls were taking pictures and intending to share them with the world. If so, that is a separate discussion from what this sophomore did -- which was basically act as the "gatekeeper" to this dropbox folder.

There is nothing on record indicating that the pictures in this account were taken by the girls themselves. The two boys involved spent their time collecting these pictures into one site and then emailing out links so others could view them. The Post article indicated that there were 52 different folders, with 24 labeled by name.
These boys are old enough that they should know that doing this would be hurtful to these girls and they also should have known that their actions could expose these girls to danger. The site is shut down, but what happens if there are screen shots labeled with names out there on the computers of people with bad intent? It is so easy to find an address nowadays. If my son did something like this, I would let him know that the responsibility for his actions lies with him, and I would not tolerate trying to shift the blame to the girls.

I have yet to see any evidence that the girls took these pictures.

Maybe that's because you're not responsible for looking into this incident and, for that reason, aren't among those with access to "evidence" or "the record"?

Didn't say I was. Just saying we shouldn't make assumptions. All I know is what was in the Post article and that article did not say that these girls in these pictures were aware of the pictures being taken. And there are lots of ways bad people get pictures that don't involve drugging people.

Anonymous wrote:Don't be silly. There's plenty of blame to go around for all the guilty. It's not only the girls vs. the boys.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't know if the girls were taking pictures and intending to share them with the world. If so, that is a separate discussion from what this sophomore did -- which was basically act as the "gatekeeper" to this dropbox folder.

There is nothing on record indicating that the pictures in this account were taken by the girls themselves. The two boys involved spent their time collecting these pictures into one site and then emailing out links so others could view them. The Post article indicated that there were 52 different folders, with 24 labeled by name.
These boys are old enough that they should know that doing this would be hurtful to these girls and they also should have known that their actions could expose these girls to danger. The site is shut down, but what happens if there are screen shots labeled with names out there on the computers of people with bad intent? It is so easy to find an address nowadays. If my son did something like this, I would let him know that the responsibility for his actions lies with him, and I would not tolerate trying to shift the blame to the girls.

I have yet to see any evidence that the girls took these pictures.

Maybe that's because you're not responsible for looking into this incident and, for that reason, aren't among those with access to "evidence" or "the record"?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't know if the girls were taking pictures and intending to share them with the world. If so, that is a separate discussion from what this sophomore did -- which was basically act as the "gatekeeper" to this dropbox folder.

There is nothing on record indicating that the pictures in this account were taken by the girls themselves. The two boys involved spent their time collecting these pictures into one site and then emailing out links so others could view them. The Post article indicated that there were 52 different folders, with 24 labeled by name.
These boys are old enough that they should know that doing this would be hurtful to these girls and they also should have known that their actions could expose these girls to danger. The site is shut down, but what happens if there are screen shots labeled with names out there on the computers of people with bad intent? It is so easy to find an address nowadays. If my son did something like this, I would let him know that the responsibility for his actions lies with him, and I would not tolerate trying to shift the blame to the girls.

I have yet to see any evidence that the girls took these pictures.

You think these boys drugged 24 different girls and took photos of them naked?

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Anonymous wrote:Don't be silly. There's plenty of blame to go around for all the guilty. It's not only the girls vs. the boys.

No, sorry, publicly humiliating numerous human beings and placing them in possible danger is not the same as possibly having done something foolish. These boys had plenty of time along the way to realize how wrong what they were doing was, but they did it anyway.
I have yet to see a citation of evidence on record that these pictures were taken with the permission of the girls involved. Whether they were or not, exposing a fellow human being to public humiliation and possible danger is a far worse action.

I am not getting the thought process of some posters who seem to not have a problem with taking advantage of and bullying others.

I am all for this being a "bullying situation" dealt with like a "bully" situation.

I am not all for this being "child porn" and the boy being a registered sex offender.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't know if the girls were taking pictures and intending to share them with the world. If so, that is a separate discussion from what this sophomore did -- which was basically act as the "gatekeeper" to this dropbox folder.

There is nothing on record indicating that the pictures in this account were taken by the girls themselves. The two boys involved spent their time collecting these pictures into one site and then emailing out links so others could view them. The Post article indicated that there were 52 different folders, with 24 labeled by name.
These boys are old enough that they should know that doing this would be hurtful to these girls and they also should have known that their actions could expose these girls to danger. The site is shut down, but what happens if there are screen shots labeled with names out there on the computers of people with bad intent? It is so easy to find an address nowadays. If my son did something like this, I would let him know that the responsibility for his actions lies with him, and I would not tolerate trying to shift the blame to the girls.

I have yet to see any evidence that the girls took these pictures.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't be silly. There's plenty of blame to go around for all the guilty. It's not only the girls vs. the boys.

No, sorry, publicly humiliating numerous human beings and placing them in possible danger is not the same as possibly having done something foolish. These boys had plenty of time along the way to realize how wrong what they were doing was, but they did it anyway.
I have yet to see a citation of evidence on record that these pictures were taken with the permission of the girls involved. Whether they were or not, exposing a fellow human being to public humiliation and possible danger is a far worse action.

I am not getting the thought process of some posters who seem to not have a problem with taking advantage of and bullying others.

Taking pornographic photographs of oneself is by itself an invitation for public humiliation.

Stop blaming it all on the boys, haters. Are not girls more mature than boys at that age?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids don't wear watches these days or use alarm clocks. They rely on their cell phones to tell the time and set their alarms.

It's hard to know what should be turned on and what should be turned off, particularly when kids are a year or two from being sent off to live on their own. It was much much easier when all parents had to say was no TV on school nights, or no TV after 10.

My kids have "dumb" phones. Solves a boat-load of potential problems.

It's quite easy to provide your child with an alarm clock. My kids have those, too.

You are the most brilliant DCUM poster of the day. Amazing how simple it is to greatly reduce the risk of devastating teen behavior. But you need to do the hard work of parenting. Most parents are failing their children.

Don't most dumb phones now have a camera, too, and ability to text? I think you can still take a pix and send it via text. The pix aren't as clear, but I would think it's still possible to do this. You'd have to get the cell phones from like 10 yrs ago to not have a camera on the phone.

Yes, but there are significant downsides. The screen is teeny tiny compared with that of a smart phone, so taking a pic with the camera to begin with just isn't that appealing. You can barely see it, even if the quality were good (which it most decidedly is not--it's a 2MP camera, LOL). So, while it's possible for my kids to use their phones as cameras, I've never seen either of them do so. Internet access is available on the newer "dumb" phones, but once again the small screen and lack of touch screen technology makes it extremely unappealing. I can see internet usage on the bills; my kids almost never use it. They use their phones solely for texting text (not images) and calling. I honestly cannot imagine a reason why any teen needs a smart phone. If they need to use the internet, they can sit down at a computer in our home or at school.

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